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Jaffe: "Sony should sue Microsoft"

Jaffe: "Sony should sue Microsoft"

God of War creator reckons Sony should sue Microsoft over similarities between some of their games.

God of War creator David Jaffe has suggested that Sony should consider suing Microsoft over similarities between upcoming car combat game Scrap Metal, which will hit XBLA next week.

According to Jaffe the concept and title of the game are so similar to his own PSN title Twisted Metal that it merits a "strongly worded letter" at the very least.

"I mean, first Microsoft puts out a car combat game and calls it SCRAP METAL? Hey, looks like a great game! Right up my alley! Day one purchase for me," Jaffe wrote on his blog.

"But come on guys, isn't that just a little too close to Sony's own car combat game TWISTED METAL?"

Jaffe, who stresses that he has no control over either franchise, also reckons that Sony should take a long hard look at upcoming film War of the Gods, which bears many resemblances to God of War - including the idea of mortals warring with Greek gods.

"And look: Sony doesn't -and should not- own the concept of the Greek Myths. Nor should they own the idea of mortal fighting ancient Gods, Greek or any other kind. That's all public domain stuff. But the title? Sony DOES own that," Jaffe said.

Jaffe later updated his blog with some more foul language and the promise that his comments had been made lightheartedly. "Sue me," he said.

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Dave Lister 5th March 2010, 11:36 Quote
The last thing these frakkin' companies need is advice of this nature !
proxess 5th March 2010, 11:46 Quote
I think the Greeks, Destruction Derby devs and Hercules should sue both companies.
cjoyce1980 5th March 2010, 12:16 Quote
Then id should sue Activision over the similarities between Doom and CoD because the game has a gun in it.

Which arse lets this idiot speak publicly?! if it's sony, then we should sue them! :)
Eggy 5th March 2010, 12:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by cjoyce1980
Then id should sue Activision over the similarities between Doom and CoD because the game has a gun in it.

Which arse lets this idiot speak publicly?! if it's sony, then we should sue them! :)

Look up who David jaffe is please.
cjoyce1980 5th March 2010, 12:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by Eggy
Look up who David jaffe is please.

I know who he is and what games he has been behind, but ever time the idiot opens his mouth crap comes out! Now he is better known for his out spoken comments that his games
rickysio 5th March 2010, 12:32 Quote
Free advertisement for his games.
RichCreedy 5th March 2010, 12:37 Quote
lets sue everyone who has similar names, oh should microsoft sue the people behind open office cos it has the word office in it and does the same job, or should the people behind open office sue microsoft for same reason

come on idiots, think before you speak
DriftCarl 5th March 2010, 12:47 Quote
Yes sony own the god of war title, they DO NOT own the war of the gods title.
Yes they own twisted metal title, they DO NOT own scrap metal title.

What is the world coming to? If the title is the same, then yes sue them but if the title happens to have a word in it that another game has but has other words too, then surely they cant sue because of that? If they can, then this copyright system is pants and within a few years every possible name for everything will be copyrighted and there will not be any creativity left.
Lazarus Dark 5th March 2010, 13:24 Quote
Ever heard of the Greek God of War, Eres?
Greece should sue Sony for using a title they've had for centuries.
God of War is actually a generic title, not specific. And being based on Greek myth, you can't tradmark anything within the game aside from the final game as a whole.

Why is he even talking about crap he has nothing to do with.
The Toy 5th March 2010, 13:50 Quote
Devil May Cry makers Capcom should sue David Jaffe.

What a total fool. He makes a couple of babyish console games with cheesy visuals and all of a sudden he is the KING OF GAME DESIGN AND ORIGINALITY!
B3CK 5th March 2010, 14:03 Quote
Or the Owner and Designers to AutoDuel for the Commodore should sue Jaffe for stealing their game idea.
speedfreek 5th March 2010, 15:10 Quote
All I read was one more sign that developers have run out of ideas, the gaming industry has completely stagnated and is only releasing remakes of last years games. When was the last time a commercial developer released a game that lived up to the hype they created for it. All the resources and energy to make a game are put into marketing and often a poorly coded but visually appealing bloated pig of an engine.

Look at the top twenty games on metacritic, how many of those games are good enough to be up there? Looking at the differences from user score to critic score on a lot of those games makes me ask how much are publishers paying per score.

Lets take a look at the second best PC game of all time. (according to metacritic)

/rant

Also Sony should sue to stop a twisted metal clone from being released, it sucked back then and will suck still today.
glaeken 5th March 2010, 15:20 Quote
This guy is a giant douche.
knuck 5th March 2010, 16:18 Quote
I wish they would remake Twisted Metal 2. That game was truly awesome and very underrated
kornedbeefy 5th March 2010, 17:56 Quote
Microsofts motto, IF you can't buy it steal it. Microsoft is historically known for "borrowing" others ideas. Nothings changed since Bill Gates bought DOS. Hell the Xboxes whole fondation is from PC gaming. If it were'nt for Microsoft "borrowing" what has made PC gaming great do you think the Xbox would be as popular as it is?

That's why I prefer PC gaming. Its where newer better games come to life first, in other words cutting edge.
brave758 5th March 2010, 18:25 Quote
Lol.... Right anyone of you who's name is even close to mine stand by for some stiffly worded letters. And WO-behold anyone's name that's the same.

Lol first apple trying to patent hand gestures now this crap. Well I've got one for you................................
eddtox 5th March 2010, 20:00 Quote
i call f*ckwit.

/thread closed
Sloth 5th March 2010, 20:55 Quote
You've all got to admit, Twisted Metal and Scrap Metal, really? Maybe not lawsuit worthy, but it's just in bad taste. He may be a jerk for suggesting a lawsuit, but it's really cutting the names close. Would it be so much harder to come up with a name that isn't "Adjective Metal" just to be safe and original? It's obviously playing off of a similar name to catch people's attention, it's pathetic.

The God of War and War of the Gods situation is a little dicey too. It's the same name turned around, with "the" added in and has a very similar plot. I call bull**** on that. Could have been Battle of the Gods, War of Immortals, War of Olympia, or any badass sounding Greek name you can think of. Anything that doesn't resemble God of War so closely, again makes it seem like cheap marketing through name recognition.
l3v1ck 6th March 2010, 08:02 Quote
Combat car games have been round for years, Rollcage (PC), Supercars 2 (Amiga) etc.
eddtox 6th March 2010, 11:09 Quote
@Sloth: while I understand your point, we would run out of titles very quickly if si ilarities like that were not allowed, just like we would very quickly run out of games if similar themes could not be tackled by different developers without fear of being sued.
Blademrk 7th March 2010, 14:40 Quote
There was also War Gods (a bad Mortal Kombat clone from Activision) back in the early 90's.
talladega 7th March 2010, 19:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by eddtox
@Sloth: while I understand your point, we would run out of titles very quickly if si ilarities like that were not allowed, just like we would very quickly run out of games if similar themes could not be tackled by different developers without fear of being sued.
but Scrap Metal is pretty much exactly the same as Twisted Metal AND the name is almost exact. It is quite ridiculous how close the names are. If the gameplay was not even close then fine but when gameplay AND titles are are the exact same then there is a problem.

Whats next? Tiny Huge Planet....
RichCreedy 8th March 2010, 00:28 Quote
should they have called it twisted plastic or scrap plastic? metal is what it is twisted or scrap
Elton 8th March 2010, 00:51 Quote
Twisted Metal was great fun..

With that said, this is getting a bit petty no?
Sloth 8th March 2010, 05:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by talladega
but Scrap Metal is pretty much exactly the same as Twisted Metal AND the name is almost exact. It is quite ridiculous how close the names are. If the gameplay was not even close then fine but when gameplay AND titles are are the exact same then there is a problem.

Whats next? Tiny Huge Planet....
Or the new shooter, Call of Honor. Copy two games at once! :D
Warrior24_7 8th March 2010, 17:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by The Toy
Devil May Cry makers Capcom should sue David Jaffe.

What a total fool. He makes a couple of babyish console games with cheesy visuals and all of a sudden he is the KING OF GAME DESIGN AND ORIGINALITY!

Exactly!! Devil May Cry (2001), God of War (2005) VERY well put!
Sloth 8th March 2010, 18:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by Warrior24_7
Exactly!! Devil May Cry (2001), God of War (2005) VERY well put!
Except that you've completely missed Jaffe's point. This was an article about disturbingly similar subjects and titles, not gameplay mechanics.
Marc5002 9th March 2010, 00:12 Quote
also remember this Jaffe's you'r the Creator of Twisted Metal : And there Being many off-spin around you'r game style : including The popular Vigilante 8 & Vigilante 8 2nd offense : it was very alike and better then First Twisted Metal For The Gameplay Balance in overall multiplayer experiance :

Oh yeah don't forget Road Kill By Midway It was Average most of my Friend hated it Also what About Death Rally in 1996 ? Iv Remember played that game like if it was Yesterday on DOS it was very good iv liked duke nukem inside it :

and the thing about Scrap Metal / Twisted metal : Iv knew many game that Wear Metal inside : Full auto ect.

but let not all forget the pioneer of the style : Rock N roll Racing by Blizzard : IT bring just so much good memory on my Sega Genesis & Friend Snes & GBA : you could Literally Destroy ur opponent to win the race

(Wikipedia)
It has been unofficially announced that Jaffe and his new company, Eat Sleep Play, will be developing a new title in the Twisted Metal franchise[2], for the PlayStation 3

But Id hope of a Twisted Metal For Ps3 By next Year with Over 12 people Crashing in each other on a huge circuit where there lot of Demolition : and Effect where could hint some building get destroyed or at least some very awesome graphic : But I guess none of what i'd like would appear in a rated Teen Game -.-

also I hope he is aware that the movie is actually called Dawn of war but got renamed to war of the god somehow for the Trailler a movie who may happen to release next year :
Warrior24_7 9th March 2010, 04:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sloth
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior24_7
Exactly!! Devil May Cry (2001), God of War (2005) VERY well put!
Except that you've completely missed Jaffe's point. This was an article about disturbingly similar subjects and titles, not gameplay mechanics.

No, I didn't. Copying is copying. He copied Devil May Cry to the letter almost! So now he's crying (pun intended) about a name AND play mechanics?!! GoW was not original creativity, he took a "similar" look and play mechanic and used it for his game. He is a hypocrite.
talladega 9th March 2010, 05:47 Quote
It's not even remotely close to Scrap Metal vs Twisted Metal.

Scrap Metal is EXACTLY the same as Twisted Metal. GOW is the same genre as DMC but completely different.
Sloth 9th March 2010, 20:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by talladega
It's not even remotely close to Scrap Metal vs Twisted Metal.

Scrap Metal is EXACTLY the same as Twisted Metal. GOW is the same genre as DMC but completely different.
Thank you for being a reasonable human being.

Devil May Cry = killing demon's because they killed Dante's mom.

God of War = Killing Ares because he made Kratos kill his family.

There are two common themes here: Hack and Slash genre, and revenge. Hack and slash, as a genre, can't be strictly called copying. By that logic every game with a crosshair and guns is copying Doom (maybe not the first, but you get the idea) and every RPG is just copying old game books from the 70's and 80s. Soundgarden is just copying Boston because they have guitars and drums and play rock music. Being part of the same genre inherently leads to similarities. On the subject of revenge, you can't possibly say that Devil May Cry is the creator of, and holds the rights to, the very conecpt of revenge. It simply follows no logic.

Unlike Twisted Metal and Scrap Metal, though, there is almost nothing in common between their names. They're both three words long, they both have the letter "A" in them, they both have nouns in them... Hmm, nothing important here. Story? Other than revenge, almost nothing in common. The settings are completely different with radically different characters, unlike the two "Metal" games which are both set in staged car battles and the characters (cars) are both combat-ready road vehicles.
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