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Rumour: No Episode 3 this year

Rumour: No Episode 3 this year

Valve has remained typically quiet on what it has planned for Episode 3, but it's rumoured that it won't be a 2010 release.

This is just a rumour for now - and hardly a surprising one at that - but Valve is said to not have a 2010 release in mind for the next instalment in the Half-Life series according to recent reports.

The rumour, which cites no source at all, seems to originate with the latest issue of Game Informer in the US, which mentions the fact in the self-proclaimed 'Rumours and Scuttlebutt' column.

"Loose Talk has learned that there won't be any game from the franchise in 2010, and what will finally come out is still unknown," says the mag, according to ShackNews.

Valve has been typically truculent and silent on the issue, saying only that the team still has plans for Gordon Freeman and hinting that the third episode in the Half-Life Episodes series is a much more ambitious project than anything fans have yet seen. Whether that means that it'll just be a longer episode, a fully-formed Half-Life 3 or even a Half-Life MMO is anyone's guess.

The last game in the series, Episode 2, was released as part of Valve's Orange Box back in November 2007. Since then the studio has continued to grow Team Fortress 2 and released Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2, but has announced nothing about the future of Mr. Freeman.

And, yes, part of the whole 'Episodes' idea was that Half-Life fans would be able to get quicker releases that directly addressed fan feedback.

Let us know your thoughts in the forums.

Thanks to forum member ChocolateRaisins for the tip!

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Rkiver 19th January 2010, 18:48 Quote
Goddamit.
D-Cyph3r 19th January 2010, 18:51 Quote
"Development of the game is still ongoing"



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IS LEFT TO ****ING DEVELOP?!



They have the engine, they must have finished the story on paper years ago, they have the distribution method. Put it all together and make the god damn game!!! Seriously, a studio as talented as Valve just doesn't have any excuse for this kind of gap between episodes, they proved they can make a great game on the quick with L4D2.... unless EP3 IS the seconds coming of Christ.
outlawaol 19th January 2010, 19:05 Quote
This is sad sad news....

One can only hope they have a dang good reason.... Perhaps a whole new story line after Ep3? Like Half-Life 3: Freeman Says a line :D ;)
Frohicky1 19th January 2010, 19:06 Quote
Quote:
unless EP3 IS the seconds coming of Christ.

Functionally equivalent at least :D

Are they building a new engine for it? In which case maybe it would take a long time - after all the HL2 graphics are pretty ancient now, if we're being honest.
capnPedro 19th January 2010, 19:06 Quote
It sounds like they mean HL3 won't be out. Ep 3 would surely be the fourth chapter (HL2, Ep1, Ep2, Ep3)...
Igniseus 19th January 2010, 19:32 Quote
I absolutely love the Half-life universe/games, but I'm not that bothered by this simply because too many games are released these days full of bugs, missing features and sub-standard gameplay. That, and more development time usually means a better game, whether it will have a new/upgraded graphics engine, or 10 more hours of gameplay, etc.

Personally I think with the development time EP3 has had, they may turn around next year and give us a full blown sequel instead. Or atleast a huge expansion.
Jipa 19th January 2010, 19:52 Quote
****.

Yeah it WAS just the only game I looked forward to the whole year.
bahgger 19th January 2010, 21:00 Quote
Gabe... you fat *******..
azrael- 19th January 2010, 21:22 Quote
Good thing I've yet to play through Episodes 1 and 2. Got'em cheap with that Orange Box sale last year. But yes, really, this is getting ridiculous.
Ficky Pucker 19th January 2010, 21:29 Quote
nooooo !!!!!!!

if its not coming out in 2010 i'd like a new engine and dx11 support please.

i don't want Half-Life series to end :( ...
pimonserry 19th January 2010, 21:31 Quote
They'd better be redoing the engine or something, or a lot of nerds will be pissed.
DragunovHUN 19th January 2010, 21:37 Quote
Am i the only one who actually likes the Source engine?
GravitySmacked 19th January 2010, 21:44 Quote
Arrghhh was hoping for some good news :/
D-Cyph3r 19th January 2010, 21:49 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by DragunovHUN
Am i the only one who actually likes the Source engine?

Nope. I think it looks great still with the newer versions (HL2:EP3+L4D2), plus it runs flawlessly.
pimonserry 19th January 2010, 21:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by DragunovHUN
Am i the only one who actually likes the Source engine?

I like it, and it looked fantastic when it came out, but I recently replayed HL2 EP2 and just thought it could do with a refresh.

Also, my comment was largely aimed at the amount of time HL2 EP3 is taking, because it takes bloody ages to develop an engine I'd imagine, thus, if they're not redoing the engine or similar, why the hell is it taking so long.

Hopefully that doesn't sound too aggressive.
GravitySmacked 19th January 2010, 21:59 Quote
I've always liked the Source engine but I can't argue that it isn't starting to look a bit dated. Saying that any major change may, in some way, ruin the continuity of the series.

I have no doubt, however, that Episode 3 will be well worth the wait - I just wish I had more patience ;)
Krikkit 19th January 2010, 22:45 Quote
I like the style of the source engine - I like it better than the Unreal3 engine anyway. For me Ep.2 looked great and had top notch gameplay, that's all they need for Ep.3 to be a smash hit.
knuck 19th January 2010, 23:09 Quote
it does run much better than the unreal engine , yeah.

We need to know if they really meant no half life or no episode, because it's quite different. If it's no episode then we will have been 3+ years without a release... Proving episodic content is a pipe dream that only leads to failure when it comes to developing in a short time frame

It's okay though, I can live with it and I won't get mad, nor will I call Gabe Newell a fat f*ck because of that. Seriously, what kind of mentality is that ?
PureSilver 20th January 2010, 01:01 Quote
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

In fairness, I really want this to be the best game of all recorded history. So what's another six months between friends?
Krikkit 20th January 2010, 01:05 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by PureSilver
In fairness, I really want this to be the best game of all recorded history. So what's another six months between friends?

Exactly. I'm pretty miffed if it's true, because I'm uncontrollably excited about the possibility that it might come out soon. In fact I'm so excited I might have to install the whole series again just to dissipate some joy.
kingred 20th January 2010, 10:10 Quote
Goddamn. When they announce a release date, i will be playing through everything again. On hard. One life only. No respawning or i start the game again.


I got down to 3.5 hours speed running through the original, lets see if i have teh grenade through door storming skills i had then.
mi1ez 20th January 2010, 11:34 Quote
NOOOOOOOO!

+1 for dx11 though. Could be a pipe dream, but they always used to push the envelope with the HL series.
SoulRider 20th January 2010, 11:38 Quote
I believe HL2 episodes was a naming balls-up by the Marketing team, it was supposed to be HL3 episodes.

Having seen some of the ideas they were showing for EP3 around the release of EP2, I wouldn't be surprised if they were doing a DX10 re-write for the graphics, and now are re-doing it in DX11 to make it as truly beautiffuly staggering as they were intimating they want to make it. There were a few hints that they wanted to try some new things with Ep3, can't find the original pieces though..
Evildead666 20th January 2010, 11:55 Quote
Good grief.
When was the first installment again ?
Its been so long I can't remember when Ep's 1 and 2 came out.....?

Right from the beginning "Episodic gaming" was a bad idea, and much of the gaming cimmunity thought so, but the developers all went for it.

Sin went before they finished, and even though Half Life is one of the MOST POPULAR franchises, the 3rd installment is no-where to be seen.
Half Life MADE Valve.

Steam is nice and all that, but I don't play left4Dead one or 2, or TF or TF2...Not an online player.

Get the next Ep in, or at least give the people with the money (us) some info as to what, where and when please ?
It had better have full DX11 support or people will be wondering what they've been doing all this time....
sakzzz 20th January 2010, 11:57 Quote
The last time I heard news about episode 3 was that it would be released in the 1st half of 2010..
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WWWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTeFFFFFFFFFFFF ............ This is sad ..read sad........... They are doing a good job with updates on TF2 and LFD2 but still its been a llloooooooooong time..............
[USRF]Obiwan 20th January 2010, 12:00 Quote
By the time EP3 is released it is 13 years after Halve Life. I hope they are making it before I DIE and never ever will know the fate of Gordon and Alyx (especially Alyx)

I hope Valve knows that the players where 13 years younger then now. And some are probably granddaddy's or growing large quantities of gray hair by now. So for christ sakes... Valve release something before i can't lift my mouse any more because of Parkinson or Can't remember what HL is because of dementia..
BentAnat 20th January 2010, 12:03 Quote
The source engine works wonderfully in Valve games. Some other games that used it couldn't get it to stabilize (Vampire bloodlines, anyone?). I just got the impression that it works when you throw ungodly amounts of money at it.

As for how it looks - Well, I for one keep noticing how all Source engine games i know of look dated real quick. yes, it seems to run on my Gran's PC, which is more than I could say about a lot of other engines, but it also looks like it's made of smoke and mirrors when comparing, say, L4D/L4D2 with UT3.

Either way. If HL2 Ep 3 ever ships, i't gonna be bundled with HL2 ep 1, ep 2 and Portal:reloaded and retail for full game pricing again. I for one would buy it only if it cost EXPANSION MONEY, and not Orange Box money. I was EXTREMELY miffed that i had to buy Orange Box to play Ep2 after already owning Ep1 and HL2 originals.
bowman 20th January 2010, 12:20 Quote
Shock and awe. Shock, and, awe.

I'm guessing they're going to release Portal 2 and Team Fortress 3 before this. I can see it now, after the Engie pack TF2 is abandoned and they make a new incompatible game. Then they're gonna update that. And then L4D2. Until they release L4D3.

They've got to milk the console kids, people. Can't afford to be making expansions.
Digi 20th January 2010, 12:26 Quote
There was this same kind of buzz in the years it took them to getting around to releasing Half Life 2. Everyone wondered when they would get it done, but what does it matter.

We just gotta wait and play whatever else, before you know it it will be time to be Gordon again.
kingred 20th January 2010, 12:32 Quote
I heard left 4 dead 3 is currently being made in haiti.

I'll get my coat.
KayDat 20th January 2010, 12:52 Quote
That's *DOCTOR* Freeman.
Zut 20th January 2010, 13:26 Quote
:'(

First Alan Wake turns to the dark side, then DICE goes all psycho, now THIS!

At least theres still ME2 to look forward to.
proxess 20th January 2010, 13:34 Quote
Not to blow anyone off or anything, but DirectX is just an API, a library if you will, with certain functions made easy. Seeing that a graphics engine also has it's own library (they make it), they can make a game written in OpenGL + OpenCL + They Own Library look just as stunning. In the end DX Developers look at what Developers do/want, and put it in the API. A good way of seeing this is, for example, CoD 4 on a mac, or even MW2.

The developers are pushing the envelope, not the other way round, so independent of DirectX 11, 10, 09 or OpenGL 3, 2, it makes no difference.
SBS 20th January 2010, 14:12 Quote
Welcome to the life of those waiting for Elite 4.

Pussies.
DeathAwaitsU 20th January 2010, 14:19 Quote
Meh, i dont mind, it's done when it's done imo. I wouldnt want them to rush this is any way at all, the whole series has been tbqh, epic, and Ep2 was some of the most fun ive had in a game.
Take your time i say, in valve i trust :D
sear 20th January 2010, 14:38 Quote
One of the major problems I've heard about game development at Valve is that their tools are extremely slow and outdated. However, for them to create new tools from the ground up and to re-train all their employees in them would be a pretty huge project, and while it would speed up development of later games, it would also cost a lot of time and money in the short-term, as well as slowing down development on existing games.

But yeah, just rumours, and no sources means it's as good as anyone else's speculation.
LeMaltor 20th January 2010, 14:44 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by sear
One of the major problems I've heard about game development at Valve is that their tools are extremely slow and outdated. However, for them to create new tools from the ground up and to re-train all their employees in them would be a pretty huge project, and while it would speed up development of later games, it would also cost a lot of time and money in the short-term, as well as slowing down development on existing games.

But yeah, just rumours, and no sources means it's as good as anyone else's speculation.

Yes, it's called Bullsh!t.
leveller 20th January 2010, 14:45 Quote
Happy if the delay is for DX11 additions.
SMIFFYDUDE 20th January 2010, 14:56 Quote
I don't want it to be a new engine, it would be kind of strange when all of a sudden everything looks different whilst playing through the HL2 series. New engine can wait until Half-Life 3.
xaser04 20th January 2010, 15:14 Quote
What I don't get is, why havn't we had Episode 3 already? Given Episodes 1 & 2 came quite close together I would have thought it logical that Episode 3 was developed at the same time (or at least straight after EP2).

I don't mind waiting for Half life 3 as this will no doubt have a new engine, new story and new episodes of its own but EP3 should be here already.
ssj12 20th January 2010, 15:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by Frohicky1
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unless EP3 IS the seconds coming of Christ.

Functionally equivalent at least :D

Are they building a new engine for it? In which case maybe it would take a long time - after all the HL2 graphics are pretty ancient now, if we're being honest.

Ya, its said that Ep3 and HL3 will be running on a "source engine 2"
DarkLord7854 20th January 2010, 15:39 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
"Development of the game is still ongoing"



W



T



F



IS LEFT TO ****ING DEVELOP?!


Left 4 Dead 3. Duh. With 5 new gamemodes, 7 new special infected, 35 new weapons, 5 new campaigns, and 4 new characters! It'll also have an SDK at time of launch, and be followed rapidly by lots of DLC.
uz1_l0v3r 20th January 2010, 15:44 Quote
I still haven't played Episode 2.
knuck 20th January 2010, 15:49 Quote
then what the hell are you doing on a forum ? go play already !

:)
OWNED66 20th January 2010, 15:50 Quote
DAMN THIS ALL TO HELL

wtf are they waiting for dx12 ??????
phuzz 20th January 2010, 16:43 Quote
Exactly what are people expecting to change if Ep3 did use DX11? Slightly shinier water perhaps? Marginally better looking vegetation?
I like my new versions of stuff as much as the next nerd, but there's barely been any changes since DX9 .

also
I WANT EP3!
mjm25 20th January 2010, 16:52 Quote
Valve are pretty much the only developer i trust to wait until its perfect, so we wait... i'll only bitch if i die before it's released.
Centy-face 20th January 2010, 16:54 Quote
Well I seem to be in the minority of not giving a toss about HL2 EP3. It's been so long now and given how I just couldnt work up the enthusiasm to play more than an hour of each episode it's just white noise to me. I mean L4D2 was just a console cop out that could have easily been an expansion. Honestly Valve's games dont really interest me that much and havent since well Orange box I'm much more interested in the continued development of steam and the chances other developers get from the service.

Unless it is Source 2 in which case that would definitely be interesting but I suspect for not much more than engine appreciation and even then it will have some way to go to beat out Cry Engine 3 which is supposed to be here this year or early next.
mrbens 20th January 2010, 17:54 Quote
They might as well call it Half Life Forever!!!
johnnyboy700 20th January 2010, 18:15 Quote
Damnnation, another delay on one of the few games that I'm really looking forward to.

I find it curious that typically Eps1 & 2 came out about 18 months from their previous games but this one is taking a lot longer. Does this mean that there is going to be a major difference between 2 & 3 either in game length or game engine?

Personally I suspect there will be an engine change as the source engine is getting on a bit now, despite constant updates.

Whilst we are on the subject of delayed Half Life material, I see that Black Mesa Source missed its 2009 release date (can'y say I'm surprised), anyone want to run a sweep on which game gets released first?
frontline 20th January 2010, 19:31 Quote
Too busy designing hats for TF2...
HourBeforeDawn 20th January 2010, 20:37 Quote
ugh ><
DeathAwaitsU 20th January 2010, 21:12 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjm25
Valve are pretty much the only developer i trust to wait until its perfect, so we wait... i'll only bitch if i die before it's released.

Im with ya homie
cheeriokilla 20th January 2010, 21:17 Quote
@D-Cypher, you probably didn't live the first half life release did you?
Star*Dagger 20th January 2010, 23:35 Quote
Source engine was fine for two years ago, but it is very old and needs to be revamped. DX9 is functionally dead and forward looking companies like Valve would do well to update their main engine to dx11. Now all you whiners on ancient equipment/os may or may not realize that dx11 can downshift to dx9. It can also downshift to dx10.
Developing for dx11 makes sense for vavle since all of their ProMods (TF2, L4D, etc) are based of of source. Something that would shake people in their boots is if they made this source2 update so that ALL the games based on source would be upgraded to dx11.

I would love for L4D2 to be dx11, along with all the other source games.

The time has passed for dx9, enjoy the tessellation.

Yours in DX11 Plasma,
Star¤Dagger
sotu1 21st January 2010, 01:25 Quote
Thankfully this is only rumors, but still....what annoys me the most is that Valve are starting to put a few blemishes on what used to be a perfectly clear record. delays here and there and the muck up with the L4D extra content is very disappointing. The only reason they're forgiven is because the quality of the end game has always been fantastic.

For the record, I think the Source engine is still perfectly acceptable.
FreQ 21st January 2010, 01:32 Quote
The problem Valve has is they take so long over each episode, that they then feel obliged to update the source engine each time. That must make development quite a lot longer.

I'm sure the original idea was:
  • HL1 - 1998
  • HL2 - 2004
HL2 - meat of the game. Then they expand and finish the story with episodes using the same game engine - quicker and easier to make.
  • Episode 1 - 2006
  • Episode 2 - 2007
  • Episode 3 - 2011?

Looking at the release dates at least shows that the episodes *have* sped up the release cycle....but only because Valve took so long from HL1-2. It's probably best to look at each HL game as a fully fledged sequel rather than an episode.

It's difficult to get annoyed when the quality of each game is so high. It's definately frustrating hanging on for so long, but I imagine most people would rather wait for something brilliant than get a game sooner that's only "pretty good".
ZERO <ibis> 21st January 2010, 03:48 Quote
If a "pretty good" newly released HL game ever comes out it is time to exit life once and for all.
Chocobollz 21st January 2010, 08:36 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Star*Dagger
The time has passed for dx9, enjoy the tessellation.
I already have tesselation from since my Radeon 8500 so that's not a new features for me :-P
alleyne 21st January 2010, 10:21 Quote
Im prob the only one who is happy its not coming out this year. i had my computer stolen and wont be able to get another one till next year.
________
Threesome tubes
leveller 21st January 2010, 11:53 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by phuzz
Exactly what are people expecting to change if Ep3 did use DX11? Slightly shinier water perhaps? Marginally better looking vegetation?
I like my new versions of stuff as much as the next nerd, but there's barely been any changes since DX9 .

also
I WANT EP3!

Your pretty vegetation ... lol
mrbens 21st January 2010, 12:46 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by alleyne
Im prob the only one who is happy its not coming out this year. i had my computer stolen and wont be able to get another one till next year.

how selfish lol

why can't we play it this year and you play it next year ;)
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