Activision didn't want Modern Warfare

Activision originally wanted to keep Infinity Ward making World War II games on the PC, exclusively.

Infinity Ward has claimed that it wanted to get away from the World War II setting long before it eventually started working on Modern Warfare in earnest, but was blocked by Activision - who didn't believe a modern combat game would sell on consoles enough to be justifiable.

Chatting to Official PlayStation Magazine, Infinity War boss Vince Zampella said that the developer was desperate to start working on consoles too, but Activision again blocked their requests by claiming that IW were predominantly a PC developer.

In the end, Zampella claims, Infinity Ward only worked on Call of Duty 2 in order to get hold of development consoles and begin moving away from being a PC-only developer.

"We were dead set against [IW's next game] being World War II," Zampella said, "but Activision really wanted it, the compromise sort of being that we'd get some dev kits for consoles in exchange for doing a World War 2 game (Call of Duty 2)."

"We always wanted to be on consoles and Activision saw us as more of a PC developer."

Zampella also said that Activision really pulled out the stops to try and stop the team making Modern Warfare, pulling out all sorts of market research to show that a modern combat shooter would not sell as well as a World War II game.

Show's what Activision knows though; Call of Duty: Modern Warfare went on to sell more that 14 million units and the sequel has proven so exciting that other publishers are changing their holiday schedules to avoid releasing games opposite it.

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Quote Yemerich 7th October 2009, 12:23
"War... War never changes"

But when money is in the way everything else change!
Quote riggs 7th October 2009, 12:58
Am I the only person who doesn't like CoD? I tried playing CoD2 on PC once, got maybe 4 or 5 missions in and just stopped playing. Not sure why, but I thought there was something fundamentally wrong that I didn't like, although I could never put my finger on what exactly.

Years later I attempted MW and again only got halfway through the first mission before returning it. Yeah ok, so I died twice...in the first 5 minutes...on normal difficulty. To be fair though I was playing on a console, so it's probably just me being crap (and pads are NOT designed for FPS games!). But then, I've played CoD5 (start to finish), Killzone2, QoS and other FPS on my PS3 with no control problems :?

I dunno, CoD5 was ok I guess, but then Infinity Ward didn't make that one. I mean, MW2 does look awesome, but I'll probably only rent it (I'd rather save my pennies for Uncharted 2, Brutal Legend, Borderlands, Bayonetta...day one purchased imo).

Anyone know if they've abandoned the stupid 'infinite enemies till you hit a checkpoint' style AI that they always seem to use?
I ****ing hate that!
Quote Horizon 7th October 2009, 12:58
I see it differently. I don't think a modern warfare in 2005 would have been anywhere near the quality of that in 2007.
Quote Singularity 7th October 2009, 13:05
Another proof that most companies are run by blind monkeys with no idea of innovation...
Quote Lepermessiah 7th October 2009, 13:26
Quote:
Originally Posted by riggs
Am I the only person who doesn't like CoD? I tried playing CoD2 on PC once, got maybe 4 or 5 missions in and just stopped playing. Not sure why, but I thought there was something fundamentally wrong that I didn't like, although I could never put my finger on what exactly.

Years later I attempted MW and again only got halfway through the first mission before returning it. Yeah ok, so I died twice...in the first 5 minutes...on normal difficulty. To be fair though I was playing on a console, so it's probably just me being crap (and pads are NOT designed for FPS games!). But then, I've played CoD5 (start to finish), Killzone2, QoS and other FPS on my PS3 with no control problems :?

I dunno, CoD5 was ok I guess, but then Infinity Ward didn't make that one. I mean, MW2 does look awesome, but I'll probably only rent it (I'd rather save my pennies for Uncharted 2, Brutal Legend, Borderlands, Bayonetta...day one purchased imo).

Anyone know if they've abandoned the stupid 'infinite enemies till you hit a checkpoint' style AI that they always seem to use?
I ****ing hate that!

U are not along, I think the games are rubbish, to be honest, playing Stalker:Call of pripyat (With english mod, will but once released) makes cod games seem arcahic.
Quote SteveU 7th October 2009, 13:31
Quote:
Originally Posted by riggs
Am I the only person who doesn't like CoD? I tried playing CoD2 on PC once, got maybe 4 or 5 missions in and just stopped playing. Not sure why, but I thought there was something fundamentally wrong that I didn't like, although I could never put my finger on what exactly.

Years later I attempted MW and again only got halfway through the first mission before returning it. Yeah ok, so I died twice...in the first 5 minutes...on normal difficulty. To be fair though I was playing on a console, so it's probably just me being crap (and pads are NOT designed for FPS games!). But then, I've played CoD5 (start to finish), Killzone2, QoS and other FPS on my PS3 with no control problems :?

I dunno, CoD5 was ok I guess, but then Infinity Ward didn't make that one. I mean, MW2 does look awesome, but I'll probably only rent it (I'd rather save my pennies for Uncharted 2, Brutal Legend, Borderlands, Bayonetta...day one purchased imo).

Anyone know if they've abandoned the stupid 'infinite enemies till you hit a checkpoint' style AI that they always seem to use?
I ****ing hate that!

You may not be the only one but I'd certainly say you're in the minority. I've played all of the CoD games and the Infinity Ward games are definitely the better ones (2,4&6).

As far as infinite enemies until the next check point goes, no CoD game does that so not sure where you got that from.
Quote javaman 7th October 2009, 13:32
To be fair I think timing played a huge part in it. COD3 wasn't my fave in the series and by then WW2 games just got boring. You had Medal of honor which really sucked after the 1st game. COD4 was a breath of fresh air. It also was released on Xbox360/PS3 which meant better graphics etc which I think made a huge difference. With Tom Clancy milking modern warfare there was always a chance of the game ending up like another rainbow 6 or something but they got the balance between singleplayer and multiplayer perfect.
Quote Bauul 7th October 2009, 13:35
Lol, it's not often you hear of a publisher pushing a dev to stay PC as opposed to the other way around.

COD2 was, in my opinion, the best of the series (MW is good, but is just too short), so I'm very happy Activision made them make it.
Quote Lepermessiah 7th October 2009, 13:35
COD 4 a breath of fresh air? It was exactly the same as all the other COD games, just different setting, thats it, low standards today.
Quote opal 7th October 2009, 13:37
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveU

As far as infinite enemies until the next check point goes, no CoD game does that so not sure where you got that from.

Pretty sure the last two did. I definately know in MW enemies would not stop comming until you hit an invisible check point and it would move onto the next section.
Quote Lepermessiah 7th October 2009, 13:40
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveU
Quote:
Originally Posted by riggs
Am I the only person who doesn't like CoD? I tried playing CoD2 on PC once, got maybe 4 or 5 missions in and just stopped playing. Not sure why, but I thought there was something fundamentally wrong that I didn't like, although I could never put my finger on what exactly.

Years later I attempted MW and again only got halfway through the first mission before returning it. Yeah ok, so I died twice...in the first 5 minutes...on normal difficulty. To be fair though I was playing on a console, so it's probably just me being crap (and pads are NOT designed for FPS games!). But then, I've played CoD5 (start to finish), Killzone2, QoS and other FPS on my PS3 with no control problems :?

I dunno, CoD5 was ok I guess, but then Infinity Ward didn't make that one. I mean, MW2 does look awesome, but I'll probably only rent it (I'd rather save my pennies for Uncharted 2, Brutal Legend, Borderlands, Bayonetta...day one purchased imo).

Anyone know if they've abandoned the stupid 'infinite enemies till you hit a checkpoint' style AI that they always seem to use?
I ****ing hate that!

You may not be the only one but I'd certainly say you're in the minority. I've played all of the CoD games and the Infinity Ward games are definitely the better ones (2,4&6).

As far as infinite enemies until the next check point goes, no CoD game does that so not sure where you got that from.

Umm, yes, they All have that endless spawnign enemies and trigger points, these games are ridiculously linear and poorly designed, the only way to make the game intense is throw trigegr points and funnel the action, and throw spaning ebemies at you. Very poor, but thats what joe blow gamer wants these days.
Quote SteveU 7th October 2009, 13:45
Umm, no they don't. I've sat at many a point throughout all of the games shooting enemy after enemy until they stop coming. You just need some patience and enough ammo!

Try it if you don't believe me.
Quote Horizon 7th October 2009, 13:46
Quote:
Originally Posted by opal
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveU

As far as infinite enemies until the next check point goes, no CoD game does that so not sure where you got that from.

Pretty sure the last two did. I definately know in MW enemies would not stop comming until you hit an invisible check point and it would move onto the next section.

especially the sniper lvl where you had to wait for the helo, the harder you fought the sooner you were overwhelmed.
Quote airchie 7th October 2009, 13:54
Quote:
Originally Posted by article, para 2
Infinity Ward boss Vince Zampella
;)
Quote Lepermessiah 7th October 2009, 14:02
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveU
Umm, no they don't. I've sat at many a point throughout all of the games shooting enemy after enemy until they stop coming. You just need some patience and enough ammo!

Try it if you don't believe me.


Umm, yes, it did, there are sections in the game if u just ran to a certain point, enemies stop coming, it's lasy and moronic design. COD represents everything that is wrong with big name titles, hype, and publisher pressure in todays development environment.
Quote rpsgc 7th October 2009, 14:05
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bauul
Lol, it's not often you hear of a publisher pushing a dev to stay PC as opposed to the other way around.

Who would've thought eh?
Quote Bauul 7th October 2009, 14:07
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveU
Umm, no they don't. I've sat at many a point throughout all of the games shooting enemy after enemy until they stop coming. You just need some patience and enough ammo!

Try it if you don't believe me.

Sorry, but COD is famous for its unending enemies mechanic. It's how the whole game is based. One of the big things about MW2 is IW have developed a new system of Dynamic AI which replaces the respawn system. The idea is enemies work to drive you forwards instead of you driving them back.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Game_engine
Quote hexx 7th October 2009, 14:07
infinity's CoDs are much better, 2 and 4 although to be honest i haven't played single player on CoD4 :) only multiplayer. But i finished CoD2 few times and CoD3 i played only for few hours, didn't like it.
Quote licenced 7th October 2009, 14:09
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveU
Umm, no they don't. I've sat at many a point throughout all of the games shooting enemy after enemy until they stop coming. You just need some patience and enough ammo!

Try it if you don't believe me.
OK so the spawning may not be "infinite" but there are a lot, and as soon as you hit that trigger point they stop
Quote Lepermessiah 7th October 2009, 14:11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bauul
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveU
Umm, no they don't. I've sat at many a point throughout all of the games shooting enemy after enemy until they stop coming. You just need some patience and enough ammo!

Try it if you don't believe me.

Sorry, but COD is famous for its unending enemies mechanic. It's how the whole game is based. One of the big things about MW2 is IW have developed a new system of Dynamic AI which replaces the respawn system. The idea is enemies work to drive you forwards instead of you driving them back.

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_Warfare_2#Game_engine

Its sad it took them this long when other games have had better mechanics, ai for years.
Quote riggs 7th October 2009, 14:31
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveU
Umm, no they don't. I've sat at many a point throughout all of the games shooting enemy after enemy until they stop coming. You just need some patience and enough ammo!

Try it if you don't believe me.

Really? Like I said, I only played CoD5 (or WaW, whatever you wanna call it) and can recall a level with trenches and a flamethrower. Those damn baddies kept respawning and assuming the exact same position as the last guys.
I know CoD5 wasn't an IW game, but even some of my mates say that it happened in other CoD games.

It's just a crappy method of AI programming and is there to force you to push forward through the level. I don't want to push forward! I wanna stop, have a cup of tea and backtrack through the level looking at the pretty textures!
Quote Marc5002 7th October 2009, 14:36
Well MW2 Is Said to Look Easier In critic the IA / Veteran Difficultiy as enemy die just Easier and less IA but that just what i keep heard in System war and all those forum's And Lot of peopel like Modern warfare on console since you have Aim Assist which said to make the game unrealistic compare to PC version which is having to be claim Zero Auto aim / Aim Assit of any sort

SO I guess MW 2 WIll Look Much better on pc then console and on top of that it will probabely require more skill to play then on console portal but if id play MW2 On my PC rathern then console id sure piss of 20 of my Friend i ad since Xbox Live Exist :P
Quote Veles 7th October 2009, 15:34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bauul
COD2 was, in my opinion, the best of the series (MW is good, but is just too short), so I'm very happy Activision made them make it.

If it wasn't for the fact that CoD2 was the game where they introduced respawning enemies I would agree with you.
Quote Abhorsen 7th October 2009, 15:39
[QUOTE=Lepermessiah]
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveU

Umm, yes, it did, there are sections in the game if u just ran to a certain point, enemies stop coming, it's lasy and moronic design. COD represents everything that is wrong with big name titles, hype, and publisher pressure in todays development environment.

Everything that's wrong with todays Development Environment?

Creating arguably the most popular multiplayer fps game for the last decade?!?..... Surely can't be that wrong.
Quote Star*Dagger 7th October 2009, 16:16
If you wear a tie to work or have an MBA you should not have any control or say in ANYTHING that goes on in the PC Gaming Universe.
Suits have screwed up entire dev companies (many of them no longer with us now) and are working hard to make PC games and console games one.
Quote erratum1 7th October 2009, 16:26
I played the mw demo when it was first released, i went through it twice and didn't like it, then uninstalled it. Was surprised when it was a massive hit, i also noticed how the enemies just seemed to keep respawning, which i think was what bored me.
Quote cheeriokilla 7th October 2009, 18:44
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horizon
I see it differently. I don't think a modern warfare in 2005 would have been anywhere near the quality of that in 2007.

Battlefield 2 was released on 2005 and sold a hell lot of copies... A lot of people still play it nowadays
Quote hrp8600 7th October 2009, 19:29
who got MW for the single player mode any way lol.
who cares what MW 2 single player is like, as long as the on line game is as good or better than MW.
And who buys games on a platform just becouse there freinds will, lol.
get a life , grow up and get it on the platform you want it on, for what ever reason you want.
But not becouse my freinds will. be a leader not a sheep.
Quote Gizmo1990 7th October 2009, 22:50
Erm, I got MW for it's single player. And I know a hell of a lot of others who did too. The call of duty series has always been primarily about their single player campaigns. Anyone who hasn't played mw single player is an utter idiot. It's hand down the best, most polished game I'd played that year.
Quote Dragunover 8th October 2009, 10:58
"who got MW for the single player mode any way lol.
who cares what MW 2 single player is like, as long as the on line game is as good or better than MW.
And who buys games on a platform just becouse there freinds will, lol.
get a life , grow up and get it on the platform you want it on, for what ever reason you want.
But not becouse my freinds will. be a leader not a sheep."
I will for the SP and MP, aswell as my "friends". I also get the games I think personally are good.
Quote DragunovHUN 8th October 2009, 11:12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragunover

And who buys games on a platform just becouse there freinds will, lol.

Err someone who likes to play with their friends instead of a bunch of complete strangers?

"Be a leader not a sheep"? Not everyone has multiple platforms mate, so the ones who have the choice should adapt to the rest of the group. Or do you think all your friends would invest in another platform to play with you? Because i don't know what your friends are like, but i for one most definitely wouldn't get another platform for you if you're not willing to get the game on a specific platform for me.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dragunover

get a life , grow up

I'd advise you to do the same if getting a game on your preferred platform is really more important to you than your friends are.

On a second thought, i'm not even sure if you have any friends at all if you act like this. In that case, yeah, get it for whatever platform you want.
Quote hrp8600 8th October 2009, 12:19
the single player was over for me in around 4 Hr's , little or no replay value.
though it was good while it lasted , if it was not for the online game it may well have been the death of MW let alone COD
as it was just to short even for an expansion pack realy.
who needs friends any way :)
it would be very low on my reasons for buying a game on a platform is all I am saying.
Quote kornedbeefy 9th October 2009, 13:26
I'm bored of the whole "modern combat" theme. I play games to escape reality and not feel like I just joined the army. I want to explore different periods in time or fantasy worlds. So I'm not interested in COD MW2. I still haven't played COD MW 1. Everytime I try I get bored and move on to something else.
Quote kingred 12th October 2009, 13:28
activision screwed up wolfenstein.


don't listen to activision. anyone.
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