Prince of Persia PC is DRM-free

Prince of Persia will be entirely DRM-free according to Ubisoft, who want to see how the market reacts.

Retail copies of the PC version of the new Prince of Persia game will be entirely free of any DRM or copy-protection according to Ubisoft employee and all-round nice guy Chris Easton, who confirmed earlier reports in a forum post.

"A lot of people complain that DRM is what forces people to pirate games but as POP PC has no DRM we'll see how truthful people actually are," wrote Chris. "Not very, I imagine."

Chris did warn however that while the retail versions of the game were totally DRM free, downloaded versions may not be.

There is some concern however, especially given Chris' comments, that Prince of Persia is being offered as something of a sacrificial lamb which Ubisoft may point to when it is pirated anyway - or are we just being cynics?

Ubisoft has previously drawn criticism for its use of the Starforce DRM system, which was used in the earlier Prince of Persia games. After a number of petitions however Ubisoft dropped Starforce and has begun using other copy-protection systems.

If you're interesting in finding out more about the new Prince of Persia game, which is really rather good, then you can check out our full Prince of Persia Xbox 360 review for more information. The game is now available for the PlayStation 3, PC and Xbox 360, though the PC version was released later than the console counterparts.

What's your opinion on DRM systems like Starforce and SecuROM? Let us know in the forums. Oh, and thanks to Spartan for tipping us off on this new story!
Quote DXR_13KE 15th December 2008, 11:01
a game that gets an 8 on bit-tech and has no DRM... i will buy it... as soon as i upgrade my computer.
Quote yakyb 15th December 2008, 11:06
lets all just go out and buy a copy even if we don tplay it to support DRM free
Quote BioSniper 15th December 2008, 11:11
^ been tempted ya know.
Though it doesn't actually look too bad anyway but its still above what I want to pay (£20) for it.
Quote CardJoe 15th December 2008, 11:15
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Originally Posted by yakyb
lets all just go out and buy a copy even if we don tplay it to support DRM free

Tim already has. I think it'll help to balance out the fact that he bought three copies of BioShock.
Quote Tim S 15th December 2008, 11:16
Quote:
Originally Posted by CardJoe
Quote:
Originally Posted by yakyb
lets all just go out and buy a copy even if we don tplay it to support DRM free

Tim already has. I think it'll help to balance out the fact that he bought three copies of BioShock.

Two. One PC and one Xbox 360 version.

And yes, it's only the fourth game I've bought this year and I've returned two of those because of DRM (Spore and GTA IV). Typically, I'd buy quite a few more games in a year, but nothing has really grabbed me so far.
Quote CardJoe 15th December 2008, 11:18
Two on top of the previous three?! You've got a problem. It was a good game, but nobody needs to buy five copies of it!
Quote Xtrafresh 15th December 2008, 11:24


I think i really will buy a copy of this, if only to get my girlfriend gaming a bit (pretty pictures + immortality = girlyWIN).

Ofcourse it will be pirated, I hope that they do the fair thing and only draw conclusions if it is pirated more than games with DRM.
Quote Grasshopper 15th December 2008, 11:28
I'll get one for myself as soon as I wander near some game store. I may get the Prince Of Persia Triple Pack too as it is so cheap. Never play the first games.
Quote Lepermessiah 15th December 2008, 11:36
This will be pirated to hell like all games, the people who say DRm forces people to pirate are full of it.
Quote liratheal 15th December 2008, 11:42
DRM free you say?
Quote bowman 15th December 2008, 12:01
Too bad it's a piece of crap.

They want to see how the market reacts, do this with a decent game. This seems like an excuse to say 'oh look they even bought less of this than our DRM'd triple-A blockbuster titles! funny how that works! we're DRMing everything now.'
Quote Narishma 15th December 2008, 12:04
I bought it last week. It has no DRM and doesn't even require the DVD to be in the drive to play. And it's a good game.
Quote Narishma 15th December 2008, 12:05
Also it doen't require a CD key.
Quote DXR_13KE 15th December 2008, 12:09
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Originally Posted by Lepermessiah
This will be pirated to hell like all games, the people who say DRm forces people to pirate are full of it.

it will be pirated if it has DRM.

it will be pirated if it has no DRM.

therefore: DRM does not protect your software from piracy.

question: why use DRM?



you will get aids from a aids infected woman if you cover your instrument with reversed cactus skin condoms.

you will get aids from a aids infected woman if you do not cover your instrument with reversed cactus skin condoms.

therefore: reversed cactus skin condoms does not protect you from aids

question: why use reverse cactus condoms skin to protect you from aids?

reverse cactus skin condoms = the spikes are pointed inwards = a myth i just invented about being protected with reversed cactus skin, just because a guy down the street says so, the guy sells reversed cactus skin condoms.
Quote Lepermessiah 15th December 2008, 12:47
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lepermessiah
This will be pirated to hell like all games, the people who say DRm forces people to pirate are full of it.

it will be pirated if it has DRM.

it will be pirated if it has no DRM.

therefore: DRM does not protect your software from piracy.

question: why use DRM?



you will get aids from a aids infected woman if you cover your instrument with reversed cactus skin condoms.

you will get aids from a aids infected woman if you do not cover your instrument with reversed cactus skin condoms.

therefore: reversed cactus skin condoms does not protect you from aids

question: why use reverse cactus condoms skin to protect you from aids?

reverse cactus skin condoms = the spikes are pointed inwards = a myth i just invented about being protected with reversed cactus skin, just because a guy down the street says so, the guy sells reversed cactus skin condoms.


Never once said DRM works did I. Learn soem comprehension.
Quote Tyrmot 15th December 2008, 12:47
Yes you're right about the possibility of this being a sacrificial lamb... The point is that it *will* be pirated no matter what you do.. the question will be how much less it would have sold had it been DRM'ed... something of course that can only be guessed.
Nonetheless I may well buy it to support this and hope many others will too.
Quote Lepermessiah 15th December 2008, 12:48
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Originally Posted by bowman
Too bad it's a piece of crap.

They want to see how the market reacts, do this with a decent game. This seems like an excuse to say 'oh look they even bought less of this than our DRM'd triple-A blockbuster titles! funny how that works! we're DRMing everything now.'

Piece of crap? it is actually a very well made game. Pirate right?
Quote CardJoe 15th December 2008, 13:02
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8693/compwa6.jpg

Sorry Leper, after reading the demotivational posters thread just now I simply couldn't resist.
Quote Bauul 15th December 2008, 13:26
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8693/compwa6.jpg

Sorry Leper, after reading the demotivational posters thread just now I simply couldn't resist.

LOL! Neatly done!
Quote WildThing 15th December 2008, 13:31
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Originally Posted by Grasshopper
I'll get one for myself as soon as I wander near some game store. I may get the Prince Of Persia Triple Pack too as it is so cheap. Never play the first games.

Triple pack you say, I've been looking for something like that for a while, where did you see it?

Can we expect a review for the PC version from Bit-Tech?
Quote DXR_13KE 15th December 2008, 13:36
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Originally Posted by Lepermessiah
*snipp*.

did i say that you said it does work?

i took your words, that were true, and gave them some extra content, that i believe is true.

the final phrase should be something like:

"This will be pirated to hell like all games, the people who say DRM forces people to pirate are full of it, DRM is flawed and does not work and should be reworked into something that works."

i should add that some games do force you to pirate so you can play them, either that or use the dvd as a coaster and go buy another one.
Quote Teq 15th December 2008, 14:02
If its DRM free then I shall buy it just to prove a point :P
Quote Muaadib 15th December 2008, 14:22
First all i want to say that i dont endorse piracy, but...

I live in Sudan, we have absolutely no original games on sale here, the last one i found was a used Heroes of Might & Magic 3, i would really like to buy my games but the only way i could do that is when i go on vacation to uk or anywhere else, and that happens once every 3 years or so.

I dont consider pirating games where there is no market to be hurtful to the developers or publishers, as they have no profit coming from those places whatsoever, sometimes it becomes good, i found Ubisoft when i played a pirated version of the original POP, then i looked at their catalog and liked what i saw, the next trip to uk i bought 5 original ubisoft games. that's a profit from piracy...

dont misunderstand me, piracy is still wrong, but sometimes it can be of use...
Quote Gunsmith 15th December 2008, 15:33
ive ordered it, even if you cant die it might be a game to pass some time on xmas day, oh cmon since when has xmas tv been decent?
Quote n3mo 15th December 2008, 15:44
Well, if it really will be DRM-free I will certainly buy it. Not that I'm interested in the actual game, but to make a statement.
Quote dyzophoria 15th December 2008, 16:54
the problem is even if we all want to make a statement about DRM, a large percentage of people that download it illegally are just a bunch of free loaders, enjoying free stuff, its sad, and its the truth. the irony is that it will only prove that the developers are correct and still use the annoying DRM, if they want some DRM on the games, do the normal original cd-key bit, let go of those annoying 3 installs on a single machine policy. if they can only sell their games cheaper, then hopefully, that could change a thing or two imho.
Quote mmorgue 15th December 2008, 17:00
I have no interest in the PoP series...

But I will go and buy a copy and have a go, just because there's no DRM!
Quote Fod 15th December 2008, 17:07
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Originally Posted by mmorgue
I have no interest in the PoP series...

But I will go and buy a copy and have a go, just because there's no DRM!

do yourself a favour and buy sands of time first.
Quote perplekks45 15th December 2008, 17:32
If they really wanted to try out the whole DRM thing... why didn't they just release a DRM-free and a DRM'd version of the game and see which one sells better?

I know this will never happen and might be not the best idea in history but if you really want to compare...
Quote eternum 15th December 2008, 18:13
I'm surprised as hell that they don't even have a cd key or require the disc in the drive. When they said DRM free, they certainly didn't screw around! I hope it pays off for them as I'd like to see other companies follow suit. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that the numbers will look like any other recent game. The sales to people who buy it solely for it's DRM free goodness should do well to offset the lost sales from it's complete and utter lack of protection, and the number of pirated copies will be quite high like any other game out there (PC or otherwise).

I honestly think the lack of a cd key is a bit overboard, but kudos to Ubi for having the balls to try it. Just crossing my fingers it won't backfire. As for me, I'll head out to buy a copy in the next few days.
Quote pendragon 15th December 2008, 18:13
I applaud their lack of DRM, however I'm somewhat conflicted about buying this game on principle. I fully expect, from their pessimistic comments, that they will turn right around and slap DRM on their future titles, citing incorrect assumptions about sales lost to pirates. I dunno.. I'll do the wait-n-see I guess.
Quote Project_Nightmare 15th December 2008, 18:32
IMHO, I doubt I would affect pirating that much. But on the other side, they saved money not using the DRM
Quote DriftCarl 15th December 2008, 19:08
If this is pirated and downloaded roughly the same amount of times as your average "8" score game, then it will just prove DRM is a pointless waste of money. Games, if they have DRM or not are often put out there the same day, a few days later or sometimes before their official release.

If some 15 year old cant afford the game but wants to play it, then they WILL download it. All DRM is doing is wasting developers money that could be spent better creating a better gaming experience.
Game studios/publishers really need to catch up with the rest of the social internet. The success of most games nowadays are based on great online communities. If a publisher can create a decent enjoyable online community with which to interact and enhance the game that is being sold, then that game has a better chance of making money.

Valve has done a good job in my opinion on their steam product, it seems to have sold huge amounts of games, I personally have bought many games via steam simply because its so easy and that I can compete against my friends.

The achievements systems in some communities now are proving popular too.

It might be easy to pirate a game thats played "offline", but it seems harder to pirate the online component of games, especially when there is an account involved in it that someone actually might care about.
Quote AltruiSisu 15th December 2008, 19:14
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Originally Posted by mmorgue
I have no interest in the PoP series...

But I will go and buy a copy and have a go...
my sentiments exactly.

being the 'first' to openly do this with a 'tried and true' game series (i'm assuming here, as i've heard quite a bit about the PoP games, but have never played them) may reap huge benefits.
Quote dylAndroid 15th December 2008, 20:20
Not to play the devil's advocate, but...

Whether a game is pirated zero times, or ten million times, does not necessarily make any impact on the financial success of the game. What matters is sales.

If a person pirates a game who would not have otherwise purchased it, there is no lost opportunity, no economic harm. If the person would have purchased the title, but did not because they have a pirated version, then yes, that does hurt the publishers. However, supplemented a company's base of customers with legitimate copies with other people with pirated copies can open up a greater market -- people who would never have gotten the game may be exposed to it only because of piracy, and then buy a legitimate version, thus leading to piracy helping a company.

I am not advocating for piracy. Personally I'm a big fan of purchasing all my software and media. But it's important for people to understand that any executive that claims that piracy is simply hurting their business either does not understand their own market, or is not painting an honest picture. Of course, this is understandable, as companies tend to not be comfortable with giving society the message that it's ok to play their game without paying them.

There was a study of the music industry in the early 2000's. It found that while the record companies were blaming MP3 downloads with decline in their profits and revenue, that had almost no affect in reality. Instead, the economic decline in that period lead to a shortage of jobs for teenagers and young adults, causing a decrease in their disposable income, which removed much of the market the record labels were trying to sell to at that time.

Extrapolating to today's game market, we can expect to see an increase in piracy, and a decrease in game sales. Not because of piracy, but because a lot of people are going to be hurting for money for a while. On the other hand, recessions can increase demand for escapist expenditures like booze, which may be a saving grace for computer games.
Quote roshan 16th December 2008, 02:06
since it checks no dvd.,i buy it.ggod work
Quote bowman 16th December 2008, 03:46
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Originally Posted by Lepermessiah
Piece of crap? it is actually a very well made game. Pirate right?

Haha, no. I buy games that I think I'll like. If I don't think I'll like them I don't give them the courtesy of a home on my hard drive, piracy or not.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Muaadib
First all i want to say that i dont endorse piracy, but...

I live in Sudan, we have absolutely no original games on sale here, the last one i found was a used Heroes of Might & Magic 3, i would really like to buy my games but the only way i could do that is when i go on vacation to uk or anywhere else, and that happens once every 3 years or so.

I dont consider pirating games where there is no market to be hurtful to the developers or publishers, as they have no profit coming from those places whatsoever, sometimes it becomes good, i found Ubisoft when i played a pirated version of the original POP, then i looked at their catalog and liked what i saw, the next trip to uk i bought 5 original ubisoft games. that's a profit from piracy...

dont misunderstand me, piracy is still wrong, but sometimes it can be of use...

If you have the bandwidth to torrent a game you have the bandwidth to buy it on Steam..
Quote Muaadib 16th December 2008, 19:10
well that would be a little hard to do considering there are no methods of payment (paypal, credit cards) here too...
Quote r4tch3t 17th December 2008, 00:49
I too may end up buying this just because of the lack of DRM. I was greatly looking forward to Spore and was going to get GTAIV but due to the DRM I will not be getting those games. I love Steam, it has DRM implemented in a way that is non invasive, but helpful, I like to have all my games listed in a single place and having all the updates applied automatically without having to search for a patch and then trying to figure out if I need to apply patch b before patch c etc.

So Ubisoft, you can count an extra copy bought due to no DRM that would not have been sold if you had included DRM.
Quote Spaceraver 17th December 2008, 16:20
Ill buy it... just to support DRM- free gaming.
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