Games for Windows Live redesigned

Microsoft has quietly released an update and redesign to the Games for Windows Live service on PC.

Quietly, ever so quietly, Microsoft has released a revamp of the entire Games for Windows Live service on PC and begun hinting at future expansions and enhancements to the service.

The update, which was rolled out yesterday, does away with the ill-advised and clunky Xbox 360 interface and replaces it with something more suited for mouse and keyboard control. The new interface for the service now pops down out of the top of the screen and include a more streamlined and much faster loading set of menus.

Functionally, most of the service has stayed the same however. The system is still used mainly for tracking achievements, messaging friends and matchmaking for multiplayer games - it just looks a bit better and loads a bit faster.

One section which is being overhauled a but though is the Microsoft Marketplace which, although not released quite yet, will soon come with a standalone application that will offer similar functionality to the Xbox 360 marketplace. The Games for Windows Live marketplace will soon allow players to download demos, trailers and full versions of some games for a price.

Microsoft has also done away with the unsuccessful subscription part of the service too, as they had previously pledged to do. The entire Live service is now free to use on a PC and there is no longer a Gold subscription offer.

Do you use Games for Windows Live to track your progress in games like, say, Fallout 3, or do you not bother? Let us know in the forums.
Quote DragunovHUN 13th November 2008, 12:27
When can the Xbox 360 have live for free?
Quote Delphium 13th November 2008, 12:27
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One section which is being overhauled a but though is the Microsoft Marketplace
Should be...
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One section which is being overhauled a bit though is the Microsoft Marketplace
?

Dont use this tool at all, dint even know of it, I tend to use Steam for all my games and tracking, and I dont wish for multiple game clients so unlikely ill even bother to install it.
Quote Gunsmith 13th November 2008, 13:05
i remember the uproar of when it came with GoW for the pc, to suddenly start charging pc gamers for somethingtheyve had for years was possibly the stupidest thing MS did,.

no wonder its now free. no idiot paid for it.
Quote Lepermessiah 13th November 2008, 13:20
Sigh, this is bad, MS is late, and is trying to get more control over the PC market, and what devs do with their games. Say good bye to mods for FO3 as they will use GFWL and charge for DLC. Sigh. MS seriously does not understand the PC market.
Quote Lepermessiah 13th November 2008, 13:27
Delphium, the Marketplace is not out yet, so thats why you never used it, you can't, it is coming in a few weeks, and it is not just a bit, it is an entirely new thing to the GFWL service. Still sucks though, MS just trying to get a piece of the PC market via DLC and forcing gamers to use their service to get updates and DLC.
Quote steveo_mcg 13th November 2008, 13:27
Unfortunatly they understand it all too well, this is standard microsoft fare.

Enter an established market with a product which offers little or no real benefit over any other but make it free and included with windows then proceed to make it slightly different over time thus moving from a implementation of a standard to a whole new propriety standard which you can now charge for or use as leverage

For reference see IE, mp3, divx/xvid, smb, they're trying it with jpeg. Some times they fail, netbui.
Quote DarkLord7854 13th November 2008, 15:05
This is nice, looking forward to it :)

This also could be a hint at Xbox and Windows streamlining and potential integration
Quote Lepermessiah 13th November 2008, 15:43
The last thing we need is Xbox and PC gaming integration, PC gaming is a different beast.
Quote Dreaming 13th November 2008, 15:52
~Oooh how do I see the new interface?

I was having to put up with the xbox interface last week on my PC where it keeps prompting you to press the A and B button which is infuriating :D.

Although really I don't want 'games for windows live', I want more steam.
Quote Er-El 13th November 2008, 17:11
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Originally Posted by Gunsmith
i remember the uproar of when it came with GoW for the pc, to suddenly start charging pc gamers for somethingtheyve had for years was possibly the stupidest thing MS did,.

no wonder its now free. no idiot paid for it.

The PC had Achievements before?
Quote Sathy 13th November 2008, 17:27
Haven't looked into the system at all, but I hope the bar isn't limited to be at the top of the screen, or at the bottom for that matter as personally it wouldn't work for me if that were the case.

Good thing they're working on improving it anyway.
Quote Gunsmith 13th November 2008, 17:40
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Originally Posted by Er-El
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Originally Posted by Gunsmith
The PC had Achievements before?

certain parts of GoW MP were locked to gold subscribers only. matchmaking was another gold only service, and achievements? HA! what a waste of time
Quote Lepermessiah 13th November 2008, 17:41
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Originally Posted by Er-El
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Originally Posted by Gunsmith
i remember the uproar of when it came with GoW for the pc, to suddenly start charging pc gamers for somethingtheyve had for years was possibly the stupidest thing MS did,.

no wonder its now free. no idiot paid for it.

The PC had Achievements before?


WOW, achievements, I love getting a stupid pop up saying I got an achievement completing a quest in a game, lol, talk about rubbush and pointless. Achievements seem tacky, and like a way to get 5 years old to aim for something. Seriously. If that is your argument, achievements, then I rest my case.
Quote Lepermessiah 13th November 2008, 17:42
Pc gaming does not care for achievements, that is a console kid pointless feature. Seriouly, what the hell is the point of it? WOW, my gamerscore is more then yours. Please.
Quote pendragon 13th November 2008, 17:46
hopefully this will get better with time and be another competitor to Steam.. nothing like competition to make things better for the consumer :) .....usually :P
Quote DarkLord7854 13th November 2008, 18:33
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Originally Posted by Lepermessiah
Pc gaming does not care for achievements, that is a console kid pointless feature. Seriouly, what the hell is the point of it? WOW, my gamerscore is more then yours. Please.

I actually rather like achievements, they're sometimes quite funny and interesting and sometimes push you to really play the game to achieve them. The newer Steam game have em
Quote Er-El 13th November 2008, 23:11
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Originally Posted by Lepermessiah
WOW, achievements, I love getting a stupid pop up saying I got an achievement completing a quest in a game, lol, talk about rubbush and pointless. Achievements seem tacky, and like a way to get 5 years old to aim for something. Seriously. If that is your argument, achievements, then I rest my case.

I wasn't arguing for it and you completely missed my point. I was just pointing out that they weren't charging for something that was already free as was said by the poster I quoted.

EDIT: Well, actually, apart from one thing which is actually quite a major one: cross-platform multiplayer.

I just wanted to make it clear (although obviously I haven't done a good job of it) that the misconception at the time that they're charging for multiplayer wasn't true. So what's the big deal? Just don't subscribe to Gold and stick to Silver - that's what I thought at the time.
Quote Indybird 13th November 2008, 23:23
Wasnt this update supposed to include a desktop GFW Live client? Its kinda annoying to have to go into a game just to access the dashboard...

-Indybird
Quote choupolo 13th November 2008, 23:24
It'll be odd to have to start a game eg Fallout in order to access the Marketplace. Im sure they'll change it again so that you can have Games for Windows Live running in the background outside your games, like Steam, so that you can download demos and trailers.

Steam will hopefully be way ahead here and be much more in tune to PC gamers. Either way, someone needs to find away to make PC gaming more accessible and standardised without dumbing it down or removing customisability. Streamline processes like installation, patches, games lists, online access and community - and do it all without taking the process totally out of the hands of the user or insulting their intelligence.

Of course MS have an advantage here - being able to integrate LIVE into Windows itself - whereas Steam will always be a 3rd party app. Unless they make their own games focused OS, that would be awesome.

As for the new look for GFWL - I dont like it much, looks too baby blue with big baby buttons.
Quote ginbong 14th November 2008, 00:35
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Originally Posted by Delphium
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One section which is being overhauled a but though is the Microsoft Marketplace
Should be...
Quote:
One section which is being overhauled a bit though is the Microsoft Marketplace
?

Dont use this tool at all, dint even know of it, I tend to use Steam for all my games and tracking, and I dont wish for multiple game clients so unlikely ill even bother to install it.

What's "dint"?

BEFORE YOU CORRECT SOMEONE ABOUT THEIR SPELLING OR GRAMMAR, CHECK YOUR OWN FIRST SMARTASS
Quote DarkLord7854 14th November 2008, 04:42
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Originally Posted by ginbong
What's "dint"?

BEFORE YOU CORRECT SOMEONE ABOUT THEIR SPELLING OR GRAMMAR, CHECK YOUR OWN FIRST SMARTASS

And you should read the rules:
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Flaming

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Quote Gunsmith 14th November 2008, 07:08
easy children, you wanna fight then back of the bikeshed
Quote Hg 14th November 2008, 12:53
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Originally Posted by Lepermessiah
Pc gaming does not care for achievements, that is a console kid pointless feature. Seriouly, what the hell is the point of it? WOW, my gamerscore is more then yours. Please.

Most achievements reward the player for things they may not normally do in just blazing through a campaign story.
Ie collecting items which lead players to explore the game world further, complete parts of the game which may be over looked in a single run and get those who havent played online before to do so and play with others either in co-op or deathmatch etc.
This all in-turn enhances the experience that player may have with their game, if it wasn’t for achievements i wouldn’t have stumbled on half of the things in some games.

However that said I’m not too sure if people should get points for such achievements as that leads to my score is bigger then yours etc.

Most FPS games do not need achievements but RPG games could use these to get the player to explore more of the game.
Quote Bindibadgi 14th November 2008, 20:28
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Originally Posted by ginbong
What's "dint"?

BEFORE YOU CORRECT SOMEONE ABOUT THEIR SPELLING OR GRAMMAR, CHECK YOUR OWN FIRST SMARTASS

Calm down tiger!

Chill pill, yeesh

He missed a "d" and we put in an "i" for a "u" that's all.
Quote samkiller42 14th November 2008, 20:34
Updated Halo 2 Vista last night to have a peep, and it seems alot nicer to use than before hand.

Sam
Quote Lepermessiah 14th November 2008, 22:05
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Originally Posted by Hg80
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lepermessiah
Pc gaming does not care for achievements, that is a console kid pointless feature. Seriouly, what the hell is the point of it? WOW, my gamerscore is more then yours. Please.

Most achievements reward the player for things they may not normally do in just blazing through a campaign story.
Ie collecting items which lead players to explore the game world further, complete parts of the game which may be over looked in a single run and get those who havent played online before to do so and play with others either in co-op or deathmatch etc.
This all in-turn enhances the experience that player may have with their game, if it wasn’t for achievements i wouldn’t have stumbled on half of the things in some games.

However that said I’m not too sure if people should get points for such achievements as that leads to my score is bigger then yours etc.

Most FPS games do not need achievements but RPG games could use these to get the player to explore more of the game.


BULL, I have a 360 and play many GFW games, most achievements are pointles and are just doing things inj the normal progression of the game. The ones that are harder to get are often like grinding in a MMO.
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