MS: Xbox 360 outselling PS3 two to one

The Xbox 360 may be out-selling the PS3 two to one, but the Wii is still the king of the home consoles.

Well, it seems like there's nothing like a good ol' price cut to help shift units for Microsoft. The software and console giant has just announced that sales of the Xbox 360 have increased by 214 percent following the Xbox 360 price cuts and that the Xbox 360 is now selling two consoles for every one PlayStation 3.

The sales, which are supported by sales figures from Chart-Track, include only those from the past two weeks.

"Our commitment to continuously improving and innovating new content, our new high-profile marketing campaign and the fact that we're now the best-value next-gen console on the market with an entry-level ERP of GBP 129.99 combine to make Xbox 360 the right blend of gaming and wider experiences at the right price to offer unparalleled entertainment for everyone. And these figures prove it," said a rather smarmy Chris Lewis, Xbox 360 Euro boss.

Microsoft could still stand to learn a thing or two from Nintendo it seems though, as even though the Xbox 360 Arcade is now the cheapest console on the market, the Wii is still firmly ahead. In fact, there are almost three times as many Nintendo Wii's in the market as there are PlayStation 3s.

The past year has been a time of huge growth for all consoles however, according to GI.biz, and the size of the installed user base for consoles has doubled in the UK over the past twelve months.

As of September 2008, the PlayStation 3 has sold 1.4 million units in the UK and the Xbox 360 has sold 2.3 million, while the Nintendo Wii has sold a jaw-dropping 3.6 million units. Over the past year both the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 have sold a million units, roughly.

In the handheld markets though the PSP appears to be a bit of a dead duck. While the DS has shot from 3.8 million sold units in the UK to a stunning 7.1 million units, the PSP has only grown from 2.2 million to 2.9 million.

Which consoles do you own and prefer? Let us know in the forums.
Quote talladega 1st October 2008, 09:28
Called a sales spike.

I dont get why MS makes such a big deal out of outselling PS3 for a few weeks when the PS3 has been outselling it all year long (besides a few weeks when 360 had price cuts).

Now if they could sustain this and continue to outsell the PS3 then it's worth mentioning. Otherwise its 'meh'.

Anyways, according to VGChartz it didn't double PS3 sales. PS3 sold 52K and 360 sold 70K. Heres a link: http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=Europe&cons2=PS3&reg2=Europe&cons3=X360&reg3=Europe&start=39712&end=39719

And as you can tell by the graph, PS3 sales didnt drop any from the previous week. (actually it dropped about 700, but w/e)

Heres a graph going back exactly 1 year. It outsold the ps3 this same time last year and since then the PS3 has been outselling it

http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=Europe&cons2=PS3&reg2=Europe&cons3=X360&reg3=Europe&start=39355&end=39719
Quote chrisb2e9 1st October 2008, 09:31
I played on a Wii the other day at work, I had a lot of fun. Because of the one guy who brought his to work, 3 other people went out and bought one.
None of them have a ps3 or x360
Quote proxess 1st October 2008, 09:51
The oldest player still knows how to play the game, and still plays it best.
Quote Juppun 1st October 2008, 09:54
Surely the 360 is pretty well saturated within the market now right? Only natural that the PS3 would outsell it at this stage. Sales spike indeed.
Quote shigllgetcha 1st October 2008, 11:00
yeh the 360 has sold so much for so long now that sales are going to naturaly be lower at this stage
sales dont mean that much anyway, the ps3 is sold at a huge loss while the 360 became profitable months ago.

its just ms pointing out that its unusual that they have sold more at a stage where their sales are at a low because of the stage the 360 is at
Quote Major 1st October 2008, 11:05
Err no it's not, considering the PS3 is 3x the price of a 360 these days, it should be three to one.
Quote lewchenko 1st October 2008, 11:21
The Wii may have sold more, but 3rd party developers on the Wii are not exactly cashing in are they. Just look at the top software sales releases... hardly ever do you see 3rd party Wii titles. And the reason is because the target audience of the Wii isnt interested in the same types of games you get on the PS3 or 360.

Im fortunate to own a Wii and a proper next gen console. The only time the wii is turned on is when the wife uses Wii Fit, or has her friends round to play Wii Sports or Mario Party. Thats is. Period. Its like one of those single use consoles you bought in the 80s LOL!
Quote Demon Cleaner 1st October 2008, 11:40
talladega,
I see your point, but vgchartz is hardly a reliable source of information. They're lastest data points are just guesswork which they later append. But you could say that with the general trend that it's still going to be several years before the PS3 overtakes the 360 in total sales, if it ever does.

lewchenko,
I too have a wii and a "proper next gen" console. What a waste of money the Wii was. I bought it at launch and only have Wii Sports, Wil Play, Zelda, Warioware and Mario (all 1st party). I have never owned so few games for a console I have had this long. Doesn't look like their is anything on the horizon either.
Quote shigllgetcha 1st October 2008, 11:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Major
Err no it's not, considering the PS3 is 3x the price of a 360 these days, it should be three to one.

a higher price doesnt mean higher profit. and the ps3 costing 3x as much is exagerated

if thats in response to me saying the ps3 sells at a loss heres a link
www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/05/15/sony-losing-260-on-each-ps3-sold/1

search anywhere on the net the 360 is now making a profit and the ps3 causes big losses per console

the main profit is from games and accesories, this is probably a better marker to compare. if you check the uk charts every week (which i do theyre acutally on page 809 on c4 interactive on fridays (i dont know who compiles the chart)) the multiformat games always sell more on 360 than the ps3 version
Quote Bauul 1st October 2008, 12:12
It'd be interesting to know the sample Chart-Track used to put together those figures. Whilst I'm pretty sure they have the highstreet retailers down, the online ones I'm not so sure. It's always a bit of a mistake to quote such figures to an exact number, as there's a fair amount of extrapolation involved in even the best panel, but I do know that Chart Track has very reliable figures for the UK.
Quote sandys 1st October 2008, 12:18
At the price they are selling the 360 its hard to make an excuse not to buy one, saw the arcade for £100 with 3 games thats essentially a free console, might by one again myself, don't think I need a HDD if I am not interested in Live is that right? they are all HDMI now aren't they?
Quote kylew 1st October 2008, 12:18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Major
Err no it's not, considering the PS3 is 3x the price of a 360 these days, it should be three to one.

Errm 3 times? It's not even twice as much...

You can't compare the basic bog-standard xbox 360 anyway, yet it's still not 3 times the amount. You can get yourself an 80GB PS3 along with a game for £300, you can get an xbox 360 premium 60GB with a game for £170. I agree the PS3 should be cheaper, but don't make stuff up about it.
Quote shigllgetcha 1st October 2008, 12:21
the memory cards are pretty small. i know i checked some of my game saves alone and they were pretty big, cant remember the exact sizes tho sorry. I think I got a 256MB memory card when i bought my last arcade (i opened my last premium and cudnt return it when it started over heating) im not sure how much thatll hold

and yeh it has HDMI. altough if you want to use HMDI with an optic surround sound you have to hack the original connector appart
Quote proxess 1st October 2008, 12:26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon Cleaner
I have never owned so few games for a console I have had this long. Doesn't look like their is anything on the horizon either.

Don't forget SEGA's Mad World (I think its Mad World... don't remember exactly).
Quote Veles 1st October 2008, 12:55
Quote:
Originally Posted by kylew
I agree the PS3 should be cheaper, but don't make stuff up about it.

I don't, it's incredibly good value for everything you get (although less so now than when it was launched), main issue is whether you need everything you get. Now BR is the firm winner of the format war, there's no uncertainty whether it will last.

TBH I think MS should have just canned the arcade when they introduced the 60Gb model instead of getting rid of the 20Gb. I don't see a good reason to have kept it, if you want any arcade games or DLC you need a hard drive, 20Gb is more than enough for a casual user who only downloads a few games.
Quote shigllgetcha 1st October 2008, 13:10
its handy for people that open up their 360 and cant return on warantee:D i know i was glad i could buy a cheap cut down version to replace my last one

but its bloody pointless tbh. youll probably need a hdd at some stage, your really gonna buy one eventually if you get into it at all
Quote Gunsmith 1st October 2008, 13:17
people keep buying 360's as they keep RRoD'ing on them
Quote UrbanMarine 1st October 2008, 13:21
Yeah...that's because people have to buy new ones every freaking year. I'm on my 3rd (2RROD & 1 DOA) 360 and I still have my original PS3.
Quote shigllgetcha 1st October 2008, 13:25
theyre warannteed for 1 year with the shop and 3 years with MS

why would you buy a new one.
Quote UrbanMarine 1st October 2008, 13:39
DOA (system 1) returned to store and got it replaced. The first RROD (system 1) I sent it in and they lost my system in the system so i got sick of waiting and bought a another one (system 2) which RRODed. 8 months later I finally got a notice from M$ that my systems are being replaced all together. So now I have 2 systems.

The store I orignally bought my system from didn't cover RRODs which was crap.
Quote shigllgetcha 1st October 2008, 13:48
lol dats bad luck. i know i returned two the second one was over a year since i bought the original

im not one to talk anyway i have two. one that over heats and gives two red lights after 3/4 hours play sometimes and the arcade i bought to replace it

i bloody hope the one i have now lasts. im on my forth now and im not that huge of a gamer. id say i mite have put in 25 hours last week but thats the most id ever play
Quote UrbanMarine 1st October 2008, 13:51
My PS3 still works like a champ ::cough::


I only know one person who has their original 360. He researched 360s and found a certain lot/team # for a premium system.
Quote rollo 1st October 2008, 14:00
WII still outsells them all says everything it needs to say
Quote Major 1st October 2008, 14:12
Quote:
Originally Posted by kylew
Errm 3 times? It's not even twice as much...

Erm, I saw a brand new 360 the other day on offer for just over £100.
Quote Dev25 1st October 2008, 15:56
Dont know why people complain about the ps3 price, sure it may be expensive. But do people remember the xbox 360 launch the stupid bundles that the high street shops like game were charging.
Quote eek 1st October 2008, 15:57
Quote:
Originally Posted by shigllgetcha
lol dats bad luck. i know i returned two the second one was over a year since i bought the original

im not one to talk anyway i have two. one that over heats and gives two red lights after 3/4 hours play sometimes and the arcade i bought to replace it

i bloody hope the one i have now lasts. im on my forth now and im not that huge of a gamer. id say i mite have put in 25 hours last week but thats the most id ever play
25 hours seems a lot to me, maybe not hardcore, but certainly substantial!

That's over 3 hours a day on average... by the time I get back from work/pub and eat I barely have 3 hours to spend in total, let alone just playing games!

I'm waiting for the rumoured slim version of the PS3 next year before I get one... I'm in no hurry!
I wouldn't even consider the arcade 360 no matter what price it was.
Quote shigllgetcha 1st October 2008, 16:48
well 5 hours sat and sun and 3 hours after work, maybe more on a friday. it was just becuase i wanted to finish bioshock. still tho consoles should be built for this all the same. but it was more than usuall id usually only get 15/20 hours a week
Quote devdevil85 1st October 2008, 16:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Veles
I don't see a good reason to have kept [the arcade], if you want any arcade games or DLC you need a hard drive, 20Gb is more than enough for a casual user who only downloads a few games.
Because that's how they shift more consoles: on initial price. They take advantage of ill-informed, impulsive consumers. They see a cheap 360 and then they take it home. Later on they decide they want to take advantage of all the patches they need to download for all their games they want to play and decide to buy a HDD (more money for MS). Later on they decide they want to play games online so they buy a XBL membership (more money for MS). They then understand that they don't want to have to run an extremely long/pricey ethernet cable across the house to access online and then buy a wireless adaptor (more money for MS). And then at the end of the day, MS has just doubled the price of the actual console from the initial cost that it cost the consumer. Don't forget about the rechargeable battery packs and quick-charge kits, Netflix subscription for movies, etc. Again, most people understand that the Premium is better since they know ahead of time what it offers, but MS will always leave the Arcade version so they can continue to taunt about being the lowest cost. Don't get me wrong, the Arcade version is great for those who just want to game offline and don't want DLC, but I IMO feel that the % of people this applies to is probably nothing and MS is just using it for both A) bragging rights on initial price and B) a way to lure in the uninformed, impulsive consumers that will buy more stuff later on.

So far:

Wii is winning on hype and price (together)

360 is 2nd because of being 1st to market, having the most 3rd party support, giving the consumer the choice on what they want/need (though add-ons cost more) and on initial cost for HD gaming

PS3 is last because of being 1-year behind 360 (direct competitor), less 3rd party support (less taking advantage of HW), giving the consumer (probably) more than they want/need and on having the highest initial cost for HD gaming
Quote 5hadow 1st October 2008, 17:26
^^^ hit the nail on the head there.
Quote Ending Credits 1st October 2008, 17:36
I actually bought a second 360 because they were so cheap compared to what I paid for my first one. I split the cost with my brother and got a new Xbox for about £80
Quote sui_winbolo 1st October 2008, 18:04
Quote:
Originally Posted by rollo
WII still outsells them all says everything it needs to say

I own a 360 and a Wii. Had my Wii since March I believe.

My Wii is sitting in its box and I'm trying to sell it because I don't play it at all.

Whenever I go to play a video game, I just turn to my 360 because it's far more fun to me.
Quote pendragon 1st October 2008, 18:20
yea.. I love how people still call the Nintendo Wii a 'fad' :P .. how many months does it have to kick a$$ till it stops being one?
Quote Vash-HT 1st October 2008, 18:32
Quote:
Originally Posted by pendragon
yea.. I love how people still call the Nintendo Wii a 'fad' :P .. how many months does it have to kick a$$ till it stops being one?

I'll stop calling it a fad when I actually want to play mine again.
Quote devdevil85 1st October 2008, 18:35
Quote:
Originally Posted by pendragon
yea.. I love how people still call the Nintendo Wii a 'fad' :P .. how many months does it have to kick a$$ till it stops being one?
Just because it sells good doesn't make it not a fad. When the majority of gamers say they enjoy gaming on it I will agree that it isn't a fad, but until then it is. Heck (from personal experience) my g/f owns both a Wii and a PS3 (got them the same week) and I can say without a doubt that the PS3 is used (mainly for the mini PSN downloadables) 99% of the time.
Quote Gizmo1990 1st October 2008, 19:13
'Doesn't make it not a fad' Are you insane? What other better indication is there!?

The Wii will still easily be the number one games console this Xmas and probably the number one toy too.
Quote devdevil85 1st October 2008, 19:31
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gizmo1990
'Doesn't make it not a fad' Are you insane? What other better indication is there!?

The Wii will still easily be the number one games console this Xmas and probably the number one toy too.
How about actually using the darn thing. That's like saying because tamagotchis sold millions, they weren't a fad. If the majority of people who owned one bought one and kept using it, versus using it for a couple of days/weeks to see what all of the fuss was about, only to throw it in a drawer until the batteries died or just threw it away/sold it, then I would say it wasn't a fad. Don't get me wrong, I know people use/play the Wii daily, but how many? That's my question.

For me, there is no reason to play the Wii right now and probably never will be. I haven't played the Wii since Mario Kart came out, and it got old to both me and my g/f very quick. Since then, nothing. There is no reason to turn it on. The polls are great and all when you already have the console turned on, but I would never turn the Wii on just to answer a bunch on polls just to turn it off. If that's the case, why own one?

I agree that the Wii will "still easily be the number one games console this Xmas and probably the number one toy too.", but again, how does this prove that the Wii is not a fad?
Quote talladega 1st October 2008, 20:59
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juppun
Surely the 360 is pretty well saturated within the market now right? Only natural that the PS3 would outsell it at this stage. Sales spike indeed.

If you are talking about Europe (which is what the main post is about) PS3 actually has more overall sales in Europe that PS3.

Heres a chart for that. http://www.vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=Europe&cons2=PS3&reg2=Europe&cons3=X360&reg3=Europe&start=38963&end=39719&weekly=1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon Cleaner
talladega,
I see your point, but vgchartz is hardly a reliable source of information. They're lastest data points are just guesswork which they later append. But you could say that with the general trend that it's still going to be several years before the PS3 overtakes the 360 in total sales, if it ever does.

Hardly reliable heh? Which is why when the game companies release their 'official' number they are in-line with vgchartz' number right?

Acutally the most common prediction is for PS3 to overtake the 360 in worldwide sales by end of 2009. With how much cheaper the 360 is than the PS3 and the fact the PS3 still outsells it shows that the next price cut will give the PS3 huge gains.
Quote Gizmo1990 1st October 2008, 21:01
"I know people use/play the Wii daily, but how many? That's my question"
Surely that's a pretty easy question to answer? A quick glance at the UK games chart last week shows 8 titles that are available for the Wii, 3 of them exclusively. Obviously games are being released for it and people are buying them.

More good itles that are coming out soon include Wario, Day of Disaster and Animal Crossing so I don't really get yor point?
Quote Gizmo1990 1st October 2008, 21:06
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gizmo1990
"I know people use/play the Wii daily, but how many? That's my question"
Surely that's a pretty easy question to answer? A quick glance at the UK games chart last week shows 8 titles in the top ten that are available for the Wii, 3 of them exclusively. Obviously games are being released for it and people are buying them.

More good itles that are coming out soon include Wario, Day of Disaster and Animal Crossing so I don't really get yor point?
Quote PhenomRed 1st October 2008, 21:39
I've said before, any games that I REALLY want to play on the PS3 are on other consoles or PC. At the moment i'm not interested in a Blu-Ray player. My 360 Halo Edition is still running fine, and my DS is awesome.
Quote devdevil85 1st October 2008, 21:51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gizmo1990
"I know people use/play the Wii daily, but how many? That's my question"
Surely that's a pretty easy question to answer? A quick glance at the UK games chart last week shows 8 titles that are available for the Wii, 3 of them exclusively. Obviously games are being released for it and people are buying them.

More good itles that are coming out soon include Wario, Day of Disaster and Animal Crossing so I don't really get yor point?
Gizmo, actually you answered my question. Thank you. It's good to know that there are some good games on the horizon. What were the last 4 Wii titles you've bought that were worth the money in your opinion? It'd be nice to know since the last 3 titles my g/f bought were Galaxy, Mario Kart & Brawl (seeing as Mario Kart came out in April here in the US).
Quote [USRF]Obiwan 2nd October 2008, 08:53
I bet if the put in a BR player it will sell out the ps3 10:1
Quote talladega 2nd October 2008, 09:39
No, because it wouldn't be cheaper than the PS3.

Saying that's the same as saying the PS3 would outsell the 360 10:1 if it was the same price as the 360.
Quote [USRF]Obiwan 2nd October 2008, 14:54
Quote:
Originally Posted by talladega

Saying that's the same as saying the PS3 would outsell the 360 10:1 if it was the same price as the 360.

It will....
Quote UrbanMarine 2nd October 2008, 15:21
The 360 ends up costing more than the PS3 in the long run if you get all the addons that are equal to the PS3.

PS3 $399.99

360 $259.99 +Wifi adaptor $82.99 +rechargable battery kit $17.99 +XBL $50 +$150 120GB HDD(they don't make a 80gb)

That's now not release months.
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