bit-tech.net | Sony: No PS3 price cut this year

kenco_uk 27th August 2008, 10:06

ooh, Home open beta in Autumn!

liratheal 27th August 2008, 10:08

I would be lying if I said I was shocked.

Hg80 27th August 2008, 10:51

i dont think home will be that good, i want a PS3 but i dont, for one i have never been a fan of Playsation controllers and all the games i want are also coming to xbox and the lack of price cuts makes it too much money for an impulse purchase. However that said play tv and blu-ray make the PS3 an attractive media center.

Joeymac 27th August 2008, 11:58

... guess I won't be getting a PS3 this year then. Of course if I was living in the US and could pay what they pay for exactly the same product then I wouldn't need it's price to be reduced. The £200 they pay vs the £300 we pay is a slap in the face really.

Mentai 27th August 2008, 14:52

This generation of consoles has got to be the least attractive of any I can remember. At least to me. I Have no desire for any of them. PC gaming all the way :D

devdevil85 27th August 2008, 16:45

Why would Reeves say that a price cut was coming this year? That would only deter current purchases and he would probably lose his job. Sony will price cut when the numbers don't go their way. It's the same for MS and Nintendo.

Home will be here 100% according to one of the game designers/engineers as well.

Also, yes, PS3 is more expensive, but it's still hard to rule out that you get more features vs. the competition, as well as an enticing lineup of software coming soon, so the price thing compared to 360/Wii really is negotiable, but yes, the base price is more expensive...

Joeymac 27th August 2008, 17:11

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but yes, the base price is more expensive...

more expensive.... in the UK. In the US there is only £25 difference between the 60GB 360 and the 80GB PS3. In the UK there is £120 difference on those identical products. The 360 being basically in-line with US price + VAT.

In your opinion what features and games makes the UK PS3 worth £70 more than the US PS3?

Gunsmith 27th August 2008, 17:48

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Originally Posted by devdevil85
but yes, the base price is more expensive...

more expensive.... in the UK. In the US there is only £25 difference between the 60GB 360 and the 80GB PS3. In the UK there is £120 difference on those identical products. The 360 being basically in-line with US price + VAT.

In your opinion what features and games makes the UK PS3 worth £70 more than the US PS3?

games and features have nothing to do with it. its just our government likes to **** us in the arse more then yours.

devdevil85 27th August 2008, 19:05

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Originally Posted by devdevil85
but yes, the base price is more expensive...

more expensive.... in the UK. In the US there is only £25 difference between the 60GB 360 and the 80GB PS3. In the UK there is £120 difference on those identical products. The 360 being basically in-line with US price + VAT.

In your opinion what features and games makes the UK PS3 worth £70 more than the US PS3?

Idk how to answer that question other than by saying, "No." The US PS3 offers the same as the UK, right? The 80GB MGS4 bundle I have offers software BC, but idk if the UK version does or not. How is the 60GB 360 priced in comparison the US version? Is it all relative or is Sony way out of line on pricing there?

I can tell you what features/games that makes the PS3's price more justified when in comparison to the 360's price (at least here in the US since right now 360's models are all $50 cheaper than comparable PS3 models)

M4RTIN 27th August 2008, 19:12

ive seen the outgoing 40gb version for £270, if it was more like £250 i might be tempted.. but its the old version now anyway

Joeymac 27th August 2008, 19:53

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Originally Posted by Gunsmith
games and features have nothing to do with it. its just our government likes to **** us in the arse more then yours.

Where people are based has gotten confusing, I'm from the UK. You saying you are from the UK also?

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Idk how to answer that question other than by saying, "No." The US PS3 offers the same as the UK, right? The 80GB MGS4 bundle I have offers software BC, but idk if the UK version does or not. How is the 60GB 360 priced in comparison the US version? Is it all relative or is Sony way out of line on pricing there?

I can tell you what features/games that makes the PS3's price more justified when in comparison to the 360's price (at least here in the US since right now 360's models are all $50 cheaper than comparable PS3 models)

I was being sarcastic with that question really. But yeah, I forgot that thing about the BC. The price I checked was the 80GB PS3 which has just come out here, we've not had an 80GB so far. This new one has no backwards compatibility. So with that and the fact the US PS3 is worth more because it's Blu-Ray player is region A. Thus can play new release Blu-Ray titles which come out sooner.. and are cheaper (But that's an issue for another thread. :P), the US version is better than the UK one.

If I was in the US, $50/£25 is a premium I would pay for the Blu-Ray player in the PS3 over the price of a 360, that's fair, the console is a year newer.... The $140/£70 price difference (after VAT) here isn't right.

So, as M4RTIN said, they need to lob off that £50.

talladega 27th August 2008, 20:56

Yes, ive noticed the huge price difference between the console and it does not seem fair at all, but i am sure you guys in the UK on average make more money than people in the US on average which explains why its higher priced in UK. But still the 360 is wayyyy cheaper because Microsoft had to lower the price so it didnt sell that much lower than PS3 (PS3 still outsells it while being priced $140 more)

But while no where are getting a price cut we are gettting more for our money with the 160gb SKU which replaces the 80GB for the same price and I think the 40GB is turning into an 80GB with no price increase.

kenco_uk 27th August 2008, 21:22

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but i am sure you guys in the UK on average make more money than people in the US on average which explains why its higher priced in UK.

Pah! You've got to be joking!

devdevil85 27th August 2008, 21:34

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but i am sure you guys in the UK on average make more money than people in the US on average which explains why its higher priced in UK.

Pah! You've got to be joking!

Are you guys taxed more in the UK, or what?

Jasio 27th August 2008, 21:55

Sure the PS3 isn't cheap, compared to the 360 but those constantly complaining "OH it's too expensive, it's not worth it..." Sony is practically *sweetening* the deal every year by upgrading the hard drives *for you* without increasing the price, 20GB, 40GB, 60GB, 80GB and now 160GB... for the same price. I've had my 60GB PS3 since release day (yeah I waited outside blah blah blah) but I'm very happy with my console.

The PS3 won't be "cheap" for quite awhile, and if Sony continues upgrading the hard drives every year (maybe move to SSD's in 1-2 years?) then there is no reason for them to drop the price. The PS3 isn't meant to be cheap, it's games aren't cheap, it isn't play *well* without a high-def display, and blu-ray titles are in the $30 price range, and you want the console to be *cheap*? If you want cheap, go buy a Wii. The PS3 (like the 360 Elite) are more of the "BMW/Audi/Benz/" etc of consoles, Wii is the fuel efficient Civic, no frills, no leather, no GPS.

Joeymac 27th August 2008, 22:02

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Originally Posted by Jasio
Sure the PS3 isn't cheap, compared to the 360 but those constantly complaining "OH it's too expensive, it's not worth it..." Sony is practically *sweetening* the deal every year by upgrading the hard drives *for you* without increasing the price, 20GB, 40GB, 60GB, 80GB and now 160GB... for the same price. I've had my 60GB PS3 since release day (yeah I waited outside blah blah blah) but I'm very happy with my console.

The PS3 won't be "cheap" for quite awhile, and if Sony continues upgrading the hard drives every year (maybe move to SSD's in 1-2 years?) then there is no reason for them to drop the price. The PS3 isn't meant to be cheap, it's games aren't cheap, it isn't play *well* without a high-def display, and blu-ray titles are in the $30 price range, and you want the console to be *cheap*? If you want cheap, go buy a Wii. The PS3 (like the 360 Elite) are more of the "BMW/Audi/Benz/" etc of consoles, Wii is the fuel efficient Civic, no frills, no leather, no GPS.

Wow.. how much Sony pay you for that?

Also you clearly haven't read this thread.. or my posts at least.

mikeuk2004 27th August 2008, 22:07

The PS3 will never be cheaper than the 360 or Wii because every time they do a price reduction, MS and Nintendo will do also.

The Wii is £180, PS3 40gb is £250 and the 360 60GB is £200. There is nothing in the price now, just the cost of a game for christ sake and PS3 is only 17 months old and we have seen more price drops than any other console before.

£70 more than a Wii and £50 more than a 360 you get a blu-ray play and what ever extra. Stop moaning about the dam price.

If its too expensive for you then its simple, you cant have one. Stop being babies and grow up.

Jasio 27th August 2008, 22:11

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Stop moaning about the dam price.

If its too expensive for you then its simple, you cant have one. Stop being babies and grow up.

Simple and to the point. I like. Regardless, with $60 titles, the requirements for an HDTV to truly "experience" the games, and expensive blu-ray titles even if those who whined and got their prices cuts, would then start to whine that the games, titles and TV's are expensive. It's a cycle, best worth ignoring those who follow it.

Joeymac 27th August 2008, 22:18

Cool.. can I have link to that brand new UK PS3 from a reputable retailer for £250.. please? Does it come with a free dual shock controller?

r4tch3t 27th August 2008, 22:20

How much is the cheapest Blu-ray player? About 150 quid, and you get this with the PS3 with the advantage of (in my opinion) better games, plus the system is more powerful, I prefer the controller design.
No price cuts, no need really. I can't afford a PS3 right now so a price cut would be great, but I bought my first PS2 for $1000NZD and I still think it was worth it. I am now on my 4th or 5th PS2 now not due to ~~RROD~~ the console dieing, but giving them to siblings and getting the slim version, then having them stolen several times.

Swafeman 27th August 2008, 22:42

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Originally Posted by Jasio
Sure the PS3 isn't cheap, compared to the 360 but those constantly complaining "OH it's too expensive, it's not worth it..." Sony is practically *sweetening* the deal every year by upgrading the hard drives *for you* without increasing the price, 20GB, 40GB, 60GB, 80GB and now 160GB... for the same price. I've had my 60GB PS3 since release day (yeah I waited outside blah blah blah) but I'm very happy with my console.

The PS3 won't be "cheap" for quite awhile, and if Sony continues upgrading the hard drives every year (maybe move to SSD's in 1-2 years?) then there is no reason for them to drop the price. The PS3 isn't meant to be cheap, it's games aren't cheap, it isn't play *well* without a high-def display, and blu-ray titles are in the $30 price range, and you want the console to be *cheap*? If you want cheap, go buy a Wii. The PS3 (like the 360 Elite) are more of the "BMW/Audi/Benz/" etc of consoles, Wii is the fuel efficient Civic, no frills, no leather, no GPS.

If Sony even put a SSD hard drive in as standard, I will happily lick your sony ass clean

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How much is the cheapest Blu-ray player? About 150 quid, and you get this with the PS3 with the advantage of (in my opinion) better games, plus the system is more powerful, I prefer the controller design.
No price cuts, no need really. I can't afford a PS3 right now so a price cut would be great, but I bought my first PS2 for $1000NZD and I still think it was worth it. I am now on my 4th or 5th PS2 now not due to ~~RROD~~ the console dieing, but giving them to siblings and getting the slim version, then having them stolen several times.

This time last year this was a much more valid point, a blu ray player was a grand and a ps3, 400 quid, seemed like you must be a member of the local mental asylum to buy a blu ray player and it not to be a ps3. now there 150, so its still valid, but less so

if blu ray end up like dvd players did, theyll be a tenner in a couple of years time and sony & its fan boys wont be able to use this as an excuse no longer, and they will be forced to drop it to a reasonable price

im not really sure if the ps3 will drop in price this year, now theyve put an 80gb hard drive as standard, i doubt it

xbox most likely will tho, as sales are dropping off, and they want to win the christmas crowd!

itazura 27th August 2008, 22:43

shame, but i'm not surprised at all.

i'd like to get one, but a 360 + wii is enough for me. for now.

talladega 28th August 2008, 01:17

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Pah! You've got to be joking!

how much is minimum wage over there? here it is $8 (actually quite high compared to other areas) which would be about £4 - £5 for you. Where I live the average household income is around $35,000 - $45,000.

r4tch3t 28th August 2008, 01:32

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This time last year this was a much more valid point, a blu ray player was a grand and a ps3, 400 quid, seemed like you must be a member of the local mental asylum to buy a blu ray player and it not to be a ps3. now there 150, so its still valid, but less so

if blu ray end up like dvd players did, theyll be a tenner in a couple of years time and sony & its fan boys wont be able to use this as an excuse no longer, and they will be forced to drop it to a reasonable price

That is true, but would you use the Xbox over a cheepo DVD player? I wouldn't, too noisy. With the PS3 it is still one of the best Blu-ray players on the market. It may not have the price advantage it used to but it is still good value. When the Blu-ray (Gah stupid Blu it should be Blue) comes down to the budget price point ($30-50ish) then the PS3 would have come down in price as the diodes AFAIK are still quite expensive to produce.
Call me a fanboy if you want (and I admit that I am a little) but I would easily buy a Xbox if there were enough games that I liked on the system. It just comes down to the controller and games for me.

Jasio 28th August 2008, 01:50

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With the PS3 it is still one of the best Blu-ray players on the market. It may not have the price advantage it used to but it is still good value. When the Blu-ray (Gah stupid Blu it should be Blue) comes down to the budget price point ($30-50ish) then the PS3 would have come down in price as the diodes AFAIK are still quite expensive to produce.

You're missing an important point... the issue with stand-alone Blu-Ray players (especially the initial ones) was that the Blu-Ray spec was changed along the lines, and since the first-gen machines weren't exactly designed to be upgraded, people were left pretty ticked off (HD-DVD had an easier firmware upgrade feature). While the PS3 still offers the best Blu-Ray playback for your money, it also bundles any Blu-Ray spec related changes/upgrades (like the interactive Java) along in standard PS3 firmware upgrades which is *very* convenient, something you cannot do with stand-alone players.

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If Sony even put a SSD hard drive in as standard, I will happily lick your sony ass clean.

My statement is simply a contemplation of what Sony would choose to bundle the PS3 with *down the road*, with the falling prices of SSD's it's entirely possible that in 1.5-2 years you could either upgrade it yourself to a 2.5" SSD for a reasonable price, or Sony will bundle it with their console instead of the current 5400rpm 2.5" HD's.

kenco_uk 28th August 2008, 11:10

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Originally Posted by talladega
how much is minimum wage over there? here it is $8 (actually quite high compared to other areas) which would be about £4 - £5 for you. Where I live the average household income is around $35,000 - $45,000.

Aye, the trouble is that you pay Tax on your earnings and also National Insurance contributions. Want a prescription? That's £7.10 a pop, despite already paying NI. 17.5% tax on pretty much everything now. Fuel duty is pure extortion and is taxed on top. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for all this tax. It's barmy. Tax on phone calls, gas, electricity, water.

:(

I think minimum wage is £5.52 atm.

talladega 28th August 2008, 13:43

you earn more money but pay more taxes and things cost more.

we earn less money, pay less taxes and thing cost less.

in the end we all are getting paid not near enough to compensate for such high prices on living.

roshan 28th August 2008, 15:07

PS3 or xbox 360 i dont care.what i am looking forward is next AMD ATI 4650 mid range card to appear. Update my vga and play most exciting directx 10 games for cheap.

devdevil85 28th August 2008, 15:38

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PS3 or xbox 360 i dont care.what i am looking forward is next AMD ATI 4650 mid range card to appear. Update my vga and play most exciting directx 10 games for cheap.

Alllllrriiiigghhhhtttt..............that come outta nowhere. What about when DX11 debuts? Another upgrade? PC's are never cheap. That new VGA you're buying will probably cost around what I paid for my PS3.

Joeymac 28th August 2008, 16:25

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Alllllrriiiigghhhhtttt..............that come outta nowhere. What about when DX11 debuts? Another upgrade? PC's are never cheap. That new VGA you're buying will probably cost around what I paid for my PS3.

You paid less than £100 for your PS3? Man.. that's a lot better than the £250 mentioned on the other page. All these fabricated PS3 prices are making me want to buy one. :)

kenco_uk 28th August 2008, 16:28

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in the end we all are getting paid not near enough to compensate for such high prices on living.

qft, amen.

devdevil85 28th August 2008, 18:35

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Alllllrriiiigghhhhtttt..............that come outta nowhere. What about when DX11 debuts? Another upgrade? PC's are never cheap. That new VGA you're buying will probably cost around what I paid for my PS3.

You paid less than £100 for your PS3? Man.. that's a lot better than the £250 mentioned on the other page. All these fabricated PS3 prices are making me want to buy one. :)

You're a funny guy Joey. I guess I'm going off of what my friend spent on his last card(s). You proved my statement wrong, but at the same time, will the card play all of the newest games at "darn good" resolution? If so, for how long? That's the issue I had w/ my last card. Damn shader models kept forcing me to upgrade which sucked.

Also, here in the states you can get an 80GB PS3 for $399 and the MGS4 bundle (if it's available) for $499. I think my friend spent around $500 on 2 4850's so he could make his 24" widescreen look it's best. Of course, not everyone needs to spend that much.

roshan 30th August 2008, 11:57

thats why i said mid range ATI card.Not the top range 4850 card. that can use for two yeas of future gaming.Guys shading power of PS3 or Xbox 360 Is constant.Developers have to make games for those constant power.Have you ever played far cry instinct on xbox,or ps2 , on those days.It was nowhere near of pc version graphics. With pc's ,developers can make outstanding graphics if the vga cards can take care of that. Thats how the game graphics grow over the years. To go for next genaration graphics ,the next genaration console will be required.

The_Beast 1st September 2008, 09:14

I'd need a HDTV for to warrent me buying a PS3

so that will be a long time before they both happen

steveo_mcg 1st September 2008, 12:41

Me too, i'm waiting till i can get a £200 decent hd tv with a ps3 free with my cornflakes, till then i'll stick with my 19" monitor at least it only needs a fairly modest gfx card to drive it.

talladega 1st September 2008, 19:48

im playing my ps3 on a 19" widescreen lcd monitor. it looks great.

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