MS: "Wii is novelty console"

He hasn't played Super Smash BB then, idiot.

Gotta agree...

The only Wii game I really spent a lot of time with and actually had fun playing alone was The Godfather: Blackhand Edition. Good game.

I have to agree with the guy, it's fun for parties and that's it.

I agree. I have not really seen very many real non-party games for the wii that are any good.

I also am wondering if nintendo is going to continue the wii style control scheme for the next console. if they continue with that, it will get old, but if they change back to a gamepad, that would be kind of boring for them...

he's right - and i have played smash bros and it's pretty damn rubbish. Haven't bought a game since the overrated SM Galaxy and haven't turned my wii on in months - tbh wish I'd sold it last Christmas when everybody wanted one.

Originally Posted by zimbloggy
I agree. I have not really seen very many real non-party games for the wii that are any good.

I also am wondering if nintendo is going to continue the wii style control scheme for the next console. if they continue with that, it will get old, but if they change back to a gamepad, that would be kind of boring for them...

I'm interested in when the next Gameboy is coming...

Remember Nintendo saying that the DS WOULDN'T replace the GBA.. and that it was a 3rd pillar?

I don't think Nintendo remembers.

This is not news, this is propaganda. He's trying to explain away the failings of his company against Nintendo so that people who own a 360 will feel comfortable acting superior and refusing to buy a Wii.

Yeah, the Wii appeals to a different audience than the 360. A larger one. And why? Because it's good for parties.

Originally Posted by koola
I have to agree with the guy, it's fun for parties and that's it.

Ditto. Had one for months... played Zelda most of the way through though tbh I got bored with it towards the end and never ended up finishing. Brought it out at school a couple times for some team events, and that was the extent of its use. It's long-since been sold, though I wish I'd sold it for more. Oh well, I don't miss it.

I'm not so sure I'd call it a novelty, but it really doesn't lend itself well to more traditional gaming. Which is fine, so long as you know that going in.

The whole article could be paraprased to "nah nah, our console's better than yours, buy ours."

I'm still playing the Wii, just bought Tiger Woods 2008 and I'm very impressed. Much more involved and a much bigger challenge than the Wii Sports golf (as you would expect). I would never buy a golf game on a regular console, what's the point of pressing buttons to mimic something so active?

What I don't understand is why Nintendo is standing still on so many games that traditionally would not sell well, but with the different and intuitive controller can work.

Things like - Wii cricket - the mind boggles at the possibilities of this, yet there's still no sign of a game from EA...

A port of the Rocky game from the Xbox 360, but with the Wii controls, come on Nintendo! It would be awesome.

More dedicated sports games, there are too many to mention, but this is the way to go.. get on with it!

RE4 on the wii is all i play and it is very fun.

Originally Posted by reaper1984
I would never buy a golf game on a regular console, what's the point of pressing buttons to mimic something so active?

When was the last time you played a Golf Game?

EA have been using analogue control in Tiger Woods games since TW2002 on the PS2... and It works better than the Wiimote's overly sensitive controls.

Originally Posted by Darkedge
i have played smash bros and it's pretty damn rubbish.

lol

Originally Posted by salesman
RE4 on the wii is all i play and it is very fun.

True.. That is a good game, but there's not enough new to make me play through again.. Since I already finished it on the 'Cube.

Originally Posted by Aaron Greenberg
"those customers are eventually going to want to graduate to an Xbox 360 experience"

Gotta love the use of graduate there...it's as if your intelligence will be 'brought back to normal' or something after you're done playing it and decide to go and purchase a 360.....amazing PR right there my friends...

Sounds like people in the industry are still trying to cut down the Wii since it's been selling like hot cakes since it's release.

I now own 10 games for the Wii, the most I ever owned for any console I had (I had almost all of them up to the PS2).

The sports games are nice for the fact that it uses the motion thingie, but when games like TW2008, which is excellent, come out, it makes even more sense to have this type of console.

I can enjoy GH3, Manhunt 2, RE4, etc. exactly as with the other boxes, although I still can't have any DLC, but that will all change with GH:WT.

Mario Kart Is another Gem IMHO, been grinding time away on that game since it came out.

So I say to each is own, and I think that Nintendo as reached a lot of casual players that would never have gone back to consoles game if it weren't for the Wii (myself included).

Originally Posted by koola
I have to agree with the guy, it's fun for parties and that's it.

Yep, or with roommates, but eh.. I sold mine and got a 360.. Happy with that now, even when playing by myself

[QUOTE=Timmy_the_tortoise]

Originally Posted by reaper1984

EA have been using analogue control in Tiger Woods games since TW2002 on the PS2... and It works better than the Wiimote's overly sensitive controls.

That was a joke right?

Golf is all about thumb rotation and analog sticks right....Geez..

And as far as the controls being over sensitive, like in real life in takes practice to get better.. O_o

It's a novelty console that whips the XBox 360's butt in sales figures. :D

Originally Posted by Nexxo
It's a novelty console that whips the X0Box 360's butt in sales figures. :D

+1

I blame shovelware. All that mini-game crap has built up a "party only console" rep for the Wii pretty quickly. And how about Nintendo make some new stuff for a change? I love Zelda and SSBB as much as the next guy but come on... it's time for a new franchise already. Bring back Pikmin or something at least, the latest Mario Kart is definately showing its age now (yeah I know, it's probably never gonna happen ).

exactly nexx

I went the Wii360 route so I guess this guy's got a point, although MS has been saying they're not directly competing for a while now. There are a small handful of single player games out worth buying for the Wii but it is essentially a 'get-together' console. The 360 on the other hand seems to focus more on the online Live multiplayer than the party-style stuff, so even there they're catering for different scenarios.

[QUOTE=Mcmonopoly]

Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise

Quote:

Originally Posted by reaper1984

EA have been using analogue control in Tiger Woods games since TW2002 on the PS2... and It works better than the Wiimote's overly sensitive controls.

That was a joke right?

Golf is all about thumb rotation and analog sticks right....Geez..

And as far as the controls being over sensitive, like in real life in takes practice to get better.. O_o

I don't want a game which simulates MY crappiness (although, I am quite good at golf naturally).. If I'm playing a game as a PRO Golfer, I want to be as good as a Pro Golfer.

The fact that most Wii players (in my experience) resort to simple wrist flicks, rather than full gestures, anyway makes your argument flawed.

It's only a realistic experience if you embrace it fully.

Originally Posted by Nexxo
It's a novelty console that whips the XBox 360's butt in sales figures. :D

Hmm, it would be interesting to see stats on how many Wii's were sold a short while after they were purchased compared to to how many people got "bored" of a 360...

Yes, the 360's have the RRoD issue but for those unlucky persons (me included) I simply had it fixed free of charge. I didn't "sell" my 360 shortly after buying it, like I did my Wii when I realised it was indeed for a lower age group/party/novelty crowd and not what one would normally say are "proper gamers" (don't bother replying to that statement, Timmy, we've had this discussion before ;) )

EDIT: and for the record, I don't hate the Wii -- I merely think of it as a "casual gamer's" machine. Because it's "outselling" the 360 doesn't mean Nint are "kicking M$'s" @rse or that M$ are failing in comparison. The two machines are for two different playing groups and as such being marketed accordingly.

Guns, over the top macho characters, heavy on story, etc2 are the norm nowadays. But saying as if conventional games are of higher standard than what is on offer on the Wii is absurd. "graduating" to Xbox360. Gimme a break.

Sure you get less violent single player games and more colourful party games on Wii. I'm not gonna say anything that hasn't been said before. With Wii, you get different kinds of games, and at that, there is no competition. Seriously. As a party game, what is there to compete with Brawl? If Galaxy is an overrated game, then I do not know what is not. I have yet to see any developer to come up with a platformer that is even 2/3 as good.

If you only care about shooters(online/offline), RPGs, and story driven movie/game, why bother even thinking about Wii? If you bought it somehow, you bought a wrong console to begin with. Blame yourself for not doing enough research before your purchase instead of going on endless Wii-bashing.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with the Wii being primarily a party console.

lolz itz nt 4 serius gamrz prty gaemz suk coz i hav no frendz

Thats funny microsoft, because a 360 is the only new console i dont have..... i wonder what that is? :)

Different consoles aimed at different markets. Why are we even having this conversation if we are agreeing that the Wii is for casual gamers?

Sheesh!

Andy

Originally Posted by Shielder
Different consoles aimed at different markets. Why are we even having this conversation if we are agreeing that the Wii is for casual gamers?

Sheesh!

Andy

Because, MS is wanting into the casual market.....and they are failing miserably....

LOOK OUT 360 FANBOI ATTACK!!!

Like him or not, he has a point. The Wii is a gimmick, I bought one for my 6 year old daughter.

i don't own any of these new consoles, however having played both the 360 and the Wii, if I was going to get a new console it would definitely be a Wii. Hands. Down. .. Can't wait for The Force Unleashed!

Sure, it's aimed at the casual "get together" market. On the other hand, there are a LOT more people who play casual games or like to have them at parties then there are serious gamers.

Wii is a console for people with friends. 360 Is a console for anti-social bats.

ok I just said that for the kicks...

What about letting go of your consoles and go out "confraternizing", socialize?

I agree with him. People will see the light eventually :)

I agree with him in a way, the Wii is a shorter term console for most people, me included. The other two are both much longer term and for me the PS3 seems the longest term out of them all.

What he doesn't mention is that Ninty make money on every console, whereas MS were (are?? not sure) making a loss and Sony still are. When numbers come into it the Wii urinates on the two more 'hardcore' consoles

Wasn't everyone already aware of everything this man has said?

ya I have a wii and I must say it would be doing so much better if the games didnt suck so much, all the third party games are horrible, the only decent ones seem to come from Nintendo and even then its so so. ~_~

Funny, buying a 360 never crossed my mind...... guess I need to graduate. Honestly though, is this shocking to anyone that a guy from ms would say this? Now if someone from ninty had said it, then maybe a little controversial. But seeing who the source is, who really cares?

Call it what you will, but lets look at the facts.

I've owned every Nintendo console since the SNES, currently I still own my Gamecube and Wii. I've owned almost every Gameboy, right up to the Gameboy Advance. Then there's the many, MANY games for each console that I've spent hours on end playing, dare I say days, weeks... pushing months perhaps?

What's the last Microsoft game I played? Err, Flightsim 95'? I flew from Sydney to QLD in a Cessna or something and it took 3 hours. I never, ever played the game again. Note: I've never actually pirated a single Nintendo title for any of their consoles... Nintendo and its developers have scored a few grand out of me over the years. :)

NOW, back to Guitar Hero III!!!

so its a fad that's been going for almost 2 years...
isn't a fad something that goes arround for a few weeks or at best a few months? :P

Of course Nintendo's competition will bad mouth them. While I do not own a Wii, my girlfriend can't live without her DS Lite. I think if the games mature a little more with the Wii, there will be more converts. I heard rumours once of a Star Wars Jedi type game where the Wiimote fits into a faux lightsaber, is that still upcoming? If so, more may join the "dark side" of Nintendo and purchase a Wii.

The Force Unleashed. Looks fairly exciting. But somehow doesn't get me even half as excited as I was for Rogue Leader.

I'm happy enough that Nintendo churns out the type of games they do now. The rest is up to third parties. On the console arena, only three franchises matter to me anyway, Mario, Zelda, Metal Gear. The rest I can get my fix on PC.

Originally Posted by kempez
I agree with him in a way, the Wii is a shorter term console for most people, me included. The other two are both much longer term and for me the PS3 seems the longest term out of them all.

What he doesn't mention is that Ninty make money on every console, whereas MS were (are?? not sure) making a loss and Sony still are. When numbers come into it the Wii urinates on the two more 'hardcore' consoles

I always get confused when people list Nintendo making money on each Wii sold as a plus for that platform, hooray they're overcharging! Besides, the money that MS makes from the Xbox division has always come from software sales and if we're speaking in terms of numbers urinating on numbers have you ever seen the 360's attachment rate in comparison to the other platforms?

Meh, all that aside its just a clear-cut case of different strokes for different folks. The PS3 and the 360 target a similar audience but the Wii is in a completely different niche altogether. Also, since when has "my company's product is better than my competitor's product" really turned in to news? At least Asus vs. Gigabyte had some hot lawsuit action.

I said that when it came out everyone said it was a revolution.....

Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
Gotta agree...

The only Wii game I really spent a lot of time with and actually had fun playing alone was The Godfather: Blackhand Edition. Good game.

Twilight Princess???

but seriously I have a PC why would I want another (louder / hotter / uglier) one under my TV...

well that is a little unfair, but in my view I will never own an xbox purely because of the online community of stoned squeeky rude kids. Can anyone that has played Halo honestly tell me they have ever had an evening of playing online without meeting a bunch of complete gits?

I agree. It's great when I have friends round and we are all pissed. But if I want to do some serious gaming (with or without sober friends) it's certainly not my first choice of platform.

Originally Posted by hawky84

well that is a little unfair, but in my view I will never own an xbox purely because of the online community of stoned squeeky rude kids. Can anyone that has played Halo honestly tell me they have ever had an evening of playing online without meeting a bunch of complete gits?

That's also more than a little unfair, with a population the size of Live's community there's bound to be retards running around mouthing off but it's not like that is anything exclusive to Live. Have you met The Internet? It's full of exactly those types of people. Everywhere. Here at Bit-tech there's an anomalous level of helpful and polite people but if you ever get bored enough and want to feel just that much more annoyed at human stupidity, go troll through some forums. The level of stupidity will most likely shock you.

And I can very, very, very honestly tell you that I've had evening's of Halo without meeting a 'bunch of complete gits' (whats a git? sounds like a grit or a nit or something). It's amazing how easy it is to ignore people on Live that would get on your nerves, especially in a game like Halo where the developer realized that there's a need sometimes to shut up the "gits" where it takes all of three button presses to mute them in the pre-game lobby and maybe four button presses to mute them in game. Also you can set your profile to mute everyone who isn't your friend by default, an option takes all of two seconds to set on xbox.com.

I can completely see your point about already having a PC and not wanting an Xbox for that reason, they do have similar target markets and as a result the games that come out are usually shared/ported around but avoiding it solely based on the supposed ignorance of the online community? That's pretty weak my friend.

Originally Posted by Cadillac Ferd
That's also more than a little unfair, with a population the size of Live's community there's bound to be retards running around mouthing off but it's not like that is anything exclusive to Live.

hawky, PSN has them and Steam has them. I agree that not wanting one for that reason is pretty weak, but that's your loss.. But I will say that I have dealt with more on Live, but again there are more people playing on it and younger kids don't play PC as much anymore as once was....

Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
True.. That is a good game, but there's not enough new to make me play through again.. Since I already finished it on the 'Cube.

I beat it like 6 times on the gamecube and i still think its and awesome and diffrent game on the wii but it is still the same game i just like it because of its difficulty

Since when does a novelty sell almost half a million a month. M$ is just mad that Nintendo is selling more than them.

Originally Posted by Nexxo
It's a novelty console that whips the XBox 360's butt in sales figures. :D

yeah just like ipod, see what i did there?