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PM worried about game violence

Gordon Brown has pointed to videogames as a major concern in the struggle against knife crime.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown has spoken out about videogame violence in an interview with The Sun, of all places. Brown, who obviously doesn't mind a little bit of Page 3, voiced his worries about in-game violence and the effect it may have on gamers, especially when games feature knives as weapons.

In the article Brown talks extensively about knife crime and attempts to tackle it.

It is neither cool, nor does it make you safer, to carry a knife. We must ease people’s fears...I am very worried about video and computer games. No one wants censorship or an interfering State, but the industry has some responsibility to society and needs to exercise that.

The article singles out Manhunt as an example of extreme videogame violence involving knives.

The issue is certainly a complicated one and raises the question of whether videogames glorify violence and knife carrying to the younger audiences who undoubtedly play games which are not rated for their age group. If that is the case then does the blame fall on the developer, the government, the parent or the child? Let us know your thoughts in the forums.

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Omnituens 16th January 2008, 07:45 Quote
But has he considered the effects of the max movement velocity of the kids?
outlawaol 16th January 2008, 08:17 Quote
O_o

What next? The war on your kitchen utensils? "Oh my no, that child is flipping a hamburger in a rather disturbing way". Next thing you know you'll be using spoons as weapons in all your games! "Quick spoon'm, hes around the corner SPOON HIM!"

Crazy I tell ya...
Jamie 16th January 2008, 08:19 Quote
The knife is an invaluable weapon in CoD4, please don't ban it Mr Brown.
Herbicide 16th January 2008, 08:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by Our Esteemed PM
No one wants censorship or an interfering State, but...

I've heard tell that the government is thinking about banning katanas and hunting knives (for certain values of katana or hunting knife).

Now it's videogames getting the kneejerk treatment.

I think we're going to have an(other) interesting few years.

- H.
Delphium 16th January 2008, 08:39 Quote
hmmmmm visions of a G.Brown model for SoF2. Let the dicing begin hrhr
Jordan Wise 16th January 2008, 08:49 Quote
can't be having that. This completely ruins my 'Leon' style of gameplay, start with snipers, then as you get better move in closer with automatic weapons, then when your really good, pistols, and when you've mastered it, knives.
AlexB 16th January 2008, 09:22 Quote
What's the plan for Movies then? Books? Paintball games? etc.
Bauul 16th January 2008, 09:23 Quote
All games teach you is that if you have to resort to the knife, chances are, you're fooked.
skpstr 16th January 2008, 09:27 Quote
Maybe he should worry more about running the country, dealing with the possibility of teachers striking, the under funding of the armed forces, MRSA running rampant through our hospitals, the ever increasing dept burden due to rip off britain, etc.

The industry already age rates their games, the next step in kids getting hold of these games is the responsibility of the parents and the retail outlets.
Krikkit 16th January 2008, 10:04 Quote
Ha! An interview with The Sun, I'm sure that had him writhing - he'd rather have us married before sex and never have any fun.

OT: The place to tackle knife-crime is in the minds of the perpatrators, not in video games. All you have to do is make it plain that in the real world, knife crime is totally unacceptable.
naokaji 16th January 2008, 10:30 Quote
he should do something about the ever rising house prices... the problem that dental treatment isnt covered by nhs, insane car insurance pricing and other real life issues rather than trying to ban games.

besides, maybe he should remember that both world wars happened before computers existed. (translate as: people killed each other before the computer was invented).
CardJoe 16th January 2008, 10:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bauul
All games teach you is that if you have to resort to the knife, chances are, you're fooked.

LOL
Delphium 16th January 2008, 10:33 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bauul
All games teach you is that if you have to resort to the knife, chances are, you're fooked.
HRHRHR ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by skpstr
Maybe he should worry more about running the country, dealing with the possibility of teachers striking, the under funding of the armed forces, MRSA running rampant through our hospitals, the ever increasing dept burden due to rip off britain, etc.

The industry already age rates their games, the next step in kids getting hold of these games is the responsibility of the parents and the retail outlets.

Dam stright!!!!


However, if everyone was inside playing games, be it games with knifes in or not, then there would be less/no people out on the streets stabbing or getting stabbed =]
Almightyrastus 16th January 2008, 10:48 Quote
It has been seen in cases such as the banning of cartridge firing pistols from mainland Britain (you can still get a license in NI for them) and the restrictions under the violent crime reduction act that the only people these bans affect are those who are willing to follow the law in the first place and as such are those who are going to be least likely to commit violent crimes.

The criminals who are carrying knives with the intent to use them in violent acts or who are even 'carrying them for defence' (as this makes any knife an offensive weapon when carried) are never going to hand them in just because Mr. Brown says so.

As far as the banning of hunting knifes, there is a LOT more evidence that ordinary kitchen knives are used in crime far more frequently than specialised fighting knives. You see this in the piles of handed in knives that the police love to parade after every amnesty they run, they have to search through to find the example they like to show as 'the evil pieces that our youths are carrying'
D3s3rt_F0x 16th January 2008, 11:38 Quote
Playing counter-strike running around knifing people in the back makes me want to do it in real life............or maybe not

Thing is anyone ever seen him @ PMQs he seriously needs to box or maybe play computer games to get his anger out cause hes like a angry bear with a sore head lol

Gotta love the nanny state

*edit* Kieth Vaz just raised this during PMQ's asking for a more responsible games industry, new legislation and new classification laws
[USRF]Obiwan 16th January 2008, 12:43 Quote
Well, then lets bring in the Crowbar. Much more useful then a knife. You can smash headcrabs with it. Open doors, smash in some wooden crates, or smash 'white-shirt-blue-trouwsers' wearing crazy people that wants to attack you with their extreme long vingernails. The only drawback is its size and weight. But some guy named Gordon did not mind to cary it around for ages alongside som guns,bazoka, rifles and some other devices. But then again he had a metal armor suit thing...

All jokes aside. I rather see people fight in games then on the IRL streets...
Delphium 16th January 2008, 12:51 Quote
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Originally Posted by [USRF]Obiwan
Well, then lets bring in the Crowbar.

:) :)
hawky84 16th January 2008, 12:52 Quote
I wonder if Mr.Brown will ban Preditor from using that awesome wrist blade to gut an Alien in the real one and only AVP film?

If parents would get off their fat arses and start disciplining their kids or maybe even just stopping their 12 year old from watching / playing the R rated media.
Gunsmith 16th January 2008, 12:55 Quote
perhaps mr brown should be more woried over the violence (towards him) over fuel pricing before videogames
Drexial 16th January 2008, 13:16 Quote
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the industry needs to be take more responsibility

something wrong with this?

anyway, this is rediculous, how athletic are video gamers that they would be out chasing people with knifes :-p j/k (about the athletic part, and the part about carrying knifes)

it is completely the consumers responsibility.
mikeuk2004 16th January 2008, 13:27 Quote
It will be ilegal fro anyone to buy and sell samuri swords from april 2008. I wonder if they will then extend this to current owners like me of 4 samuri swords and a Blade sword.
BigD79 16th January 2008, 13:34 Quote
Surely the industry is acting responsibly by submitting its work to the BBFC for classification?
More awareness of classifications and the punishment for knife/gun crime is needed, not crippling the creativity of game designers.
Games don't kill real people, real people do. (or should that be "real knifes/guns do")
MilkMan5 16th January 2008, 14:03 Quote
Unfortunately not everyone thinks and acts the same.
Playing computer games might not affect the way you and I think or act, but could there be a possibility that some people do get affected by violent games!
Could there be a possibility that people do try things because they want to know what it would feel like to do it in real life!

I think that the possibilities are always a reality.

But to blame Games or Movies or even Songs, well that I don’t know.
People have always killed / murdered people – that is human life.
From the first day Humans put foot on earth, we have killed and even bullied other people.
Animals do it, weather does it and even other unknown forces kill people.

Take away certain games and I really, really, really don’t think that things will get any better.

The only reason I see the government having to get involved is because parents don’t seem to be able to teach their own children.
If people can not control themselves, then rules and laws have to be introduced and unfortunately it affects us all.

I really don’t think that the government wants to get involved with everything, they have their own problems.
But in the UK, the government have no choice because they have to be seen as doing something, otherwise people will blame the government for doing nothing.

Its like the police, people generally don’t like them, unless they need their help.
hawky84 16th January 2008, 14:27 Quote
this may be a bit too soon so sorry if it offends anyone

but maybe they should take guns away from the police, I mean look at that ex officer that killed his wife then shot her mum then shot him self. I wonder how many violent computer games he played in his life. Which brings me onto another age discrimination snap decision the media and officials keep on making.

So a young person guns down people in a school, it must be violent video games and films.

A man in his late 40's ealry 50's guns down his wife, her mother then himself, does anyone check the viewing or game playing habbits of this individual???

The answer to this is more than likely no. People are just too sacred to think that sometimes the human mind can, not just like all of us think of evil things, actually go ahead and do evil things. Everyone has the common sense to know what their kids can watch and play. Also everyone has the right to choose what to watch or play.
DXR_13KE 16th January 2008, 14:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
It will be ilegal fro anyone to buy and sell samuri swords from april 2008. I wonder if they will then extend this to current owners like me of 4 samuri swords and a Blade sword.

the stupid thing is that people that want to kill another person with a samurai sword can easily get it underground.....

ban video games and violence will go up very fast, and as everyone says, the PM has more important subjects to think about.....
Ryu_ookami 16th January 2008, 14:37 Quote
thing is does anyone actually care what a muppet like gordon brown thinks anyway after all he shouldn't even be PM did any of us EVERY get the chance to vote for him nope he slipped in when the other guy moved out. the moment tony blair retired there should have to of been a general election. so what he considers violence does really matter after all this is the guy who used to get exicted about carrying a red case.
naokaji 16th January 2008, 15:23 Quote
if they ban games the first thing to happen will be game.co.uk going bancrupt. the second thing will be 100% piracy.

then the politicians will say: "see, we always told you, they are all criminals, lets plant some rfid chips in them".
DaveVader 16th January 2008, 15:29 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordon Brown
but the industry has some responsibility to society and needs to exercise that.
In what way? Stand in every shop and ask for ID from everyone who buys their games? Surely that is the parent's and staff?
I'm sixteen and I have the views of an 80year old man, kids aren't brought up correctly these days and a lot of the time I blame this on their parents practically being kids themselves. They have no discipline, no sense of right or wrong and the legal system also doesn't enforce this. I could go on for hours but I wont, instead I will say
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordon Brown
Manhunt
That game must have gotten so much publicity since it was banned and it must be on of the only games Gordon can name. Why doesn't he tell us what it entails.
Cupboard 16th January 2008, 15:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by skpstr
Maybe he should worry more about running the country, dealing with the possibility of teachers striking, the under funding of the armed forces, MRSA running rampant through our hospitals, the ever increasing dept burden due to rip off britain, etc

QFT

I should think that a lot of people here carry knives for work/opening up computers. I know I do and I have a friend that had a visit to a police station having been caught carrying a small penknife for perfectly legitimate reasons.

Is the picture CS by the way?
Almightyrastus 16th January 2008, 16:20 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cupboard
Quote:
Originally Posted by skpstr
Maybe he should worry more about running the country, dealing with the possibility of teachers striking, the under funding of the armed forces, MRSA running rampant through our hospitals, the ever increasing dept burden due to rip off britain, etc

QFT

I should think that a lot of people here carry knives for work/opening up computers. I know I do and I have a friend that had a visit to a police station having been caught carrying a small penknife for perfectly legitimate reasons.

Is the picture CS by the way?

Going by the letter of the law as it stands in the UK at the moment, you can carry a non locking folding knife with a blade length of less than 3" without a reason needed and as long as you have a valid reason for it you can carry just about anything. Unfortunately saying that you are carrying anything for personal defence turns that knife, no matter how tiny, into an offensive weapon and WILL get you in trouble.

The Spiderco UK penknife is a good example of a decent UK legal knife as that is what it was designed for. Non locking 2 15/16" blade.
steveo_mcg 16th January 2008, 16:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryu_ookami
thing is does anyone actually care what a muppet like gordon brown thinks anyway after all he shouldn't even be PM did any of us EVERY get the chance to vote for him nope he slipped in when the other guy moved out. the moment tony blair retired there should have to of been a general election. so what he considers violence does really matter after all this is the guy who used to get exicted about carrying a red case.

You might want to brush up on your constitutional law, no one voted for Tony Blair either. This isn't the US you don't vote the man you vote the party the party can elect who ever they like to run the government, also why PARTIES put out manifestos not the various individuals. Sorry for the rant, pet hate of mine is people who can't be bothered to learn how the country works.
/off topic rant

I really wish parents would learn to look after their own children, i'm sick of having to do it for them (by proxy)
specofdust 16th January 2008, 17:08 Quote
While I am disgusted by bans on things, probably more so than many others - he hasn't talked about bans yet guys. He's said he's worried, that's all. There are plenty of ways video game violence getting into kids daily diets can be avoided. I think most of us agree that 5 year olds (or even older kids, as it does seem like it's teenagers who commit most real knife crime) playing games that are rated for 18 year olds is a problem. Strengthening laws that prevent the ultraviolent games we know and love getting into the hands of children is no bad thing, and things like that could well be what the PM has in mind. He might have more, true, but let's not jump on him before he's gone further than saying he's worried about it.
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Originally Posted by hawky84
but maybe they should take guns away from the police

You sure you live in the UK mate? The vast majority of our coppers aren't armed, and don't want to be armed. The ARU are a neccesity, and the idea that we'd have police forces without even specialist armed response units is incredibly stupid, frankly.

Knife and gun law in this country does piss me off no end though. Especially the fact that if a policeman finds you with a leatherman or similar, they can give you a lot of poopoo if they want - just because they're having a bad day. The laws put far too much discretionary power in the hands of people who're going to make bad decisions that negatively impact upon functional and morally innocent members of society. For a great example, look no further than the man who got arrested at an airport, and recieved a massive fine (and was lucky to avoid jailtime) for having a knife in his handluggage. He said he'd been given it as a retirement gift that afternoon and had forgotten to remove it from his bag. They said that that didn't matter, he had a knife, so he was guilty. Who was he? Why he was a retiring police officer, of course.
C-Sniper 16th January 2008, 21:46 Quote
But i run faster with the knife :(
DXR_13KE 16th January 2008, 22:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by C-Sniper
But i run faster with the knife :(

until you slip and shove it into your chest.....
boiled_elephant 16th January 2008, 23:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
the stupid thing is that people that want to kill another person with a samurai sword can easily get it underground.....
And that, to my mind, sums up the entire argument. The government's efforts are redundant and invasive.

Of course, they're only having their collective arm twisted by stupid tabloid journalists and fanatical members of the public (PETA & their ilk, Mothers Against <everything>, religious establishments, etc), so really it's these few c***s who take themselves too seriously who are giving rise to the whole convoluted problem.
chiper136 17th January 2008, 00:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by AlexB
What's the plan for Movies then? Books? Paintball games? etc.

This always pisses me off. You dont have to be 18 to read dam violent books
outlawaol 17th January 2008, 07:51 Quote
This is what the PM wants....

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outlawaol 17th January 2008, 07:51 Quote
MilkMan5 17th January 2008, 09:15 Quote
At least it will not kill people!
DXR_13KE 17th January 2008, 09:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by MilkMan5
At least it will not kill people!

have you heard of death by tickle? torture + death in one simple package.....
proxess 17th January 2008, 13:55 Quote
Humiliation! Bwahahah!
cpemma 17th January 2008, 21:22 Quote
Quote:
thing is does anyone actually care what a muppet like gordon brown thinks anyway after all he shouldn't even be PM did any of us EVERY get the chance to vote for him nope he slipped in when the other guy moved out. the moment tony blair retired there should have to of been a general election. so what he considers violence does really matter after all this is the guy who used to get exicted about carrying a red case.
He should certainly be putting more into education, especially literacy. ;)
specofdust 17th January 2008, 21:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by cpemma
He should certainly be putting more into education, especially literacy. ;)

Screw education, he should be putting more money into gulags for those who chose to piss away their educational opertunities.
Bungle 17th January 2008, 22:28 Quote
You see this is why Labour is no fun. They get to play the best RTS game in the world, real war. Even having the power to launch Nukes. But some kid wants to own a knife and suddenly it's national crisis.:) Spoil sport. Shame on you Gordon.
The_Beast 17th January 2008, 22:36 Quote
what about a board with a nail in it???? are they going to ban that too
kingjohn 1st October 2010, 00:46 Quote
i just love looking through the old, posts and to find an article about crime and the losers like brown telling us alll its to do with your modern games and nowt to do with the fact that life for a lot of people just sucks. its a real joke what about cluedo that game has lots of weapons in it it even helps with advice like do em in the kitchen with the candle stick or a crowbar or the rope ,it never occurd to me that there should of been an autopsi to tell you how and where the crime was commited whilst playing the game
Canon 1st October 2010, 00:52 Quote
Wait wait wait, I seem to remember a flash game (still games last time I checked) in which you could play as George Bush, reaking havok in the whitehouse. Didn't hear a peep then...
Unicorn 1st October 2010, 00:54 Quote
Question: Am I the only one who gets pissed off by people bumping 18+ month old threads? (needlessly that is)
thehippoz 1st October 2010, 01:41 Quote
yeah reminds me of this story though http://cbs2chicago.com/local/elderly.woman.shoots.2.1936778.html

parents denied their kid did anything wrong.. my dad would have whooped my ass with a belt after I was shot.. what do kids do now

video games really has nothing to do with bad parenting.. but I also think you need the bullwhip to the chops sometimes :D keeps it real and gets the kids out of the house quicker too

heck when I was 17 I already had my own roach infested apartment.. I couldn't wait to get out
NethLyn 1st October 2010, 02:06 Quote
"This happened at 11:00 at night? I would suggest the elderly woman invest in a night vision scope. They are not as expensive as they used to be.":) [EDIT] plus I keep hearing Sean Connery's speech about "The Chicago Way" from The Untouchables.

Good for her, though in England we just have people with catapults, guns would put you in jail...

Slingshot man
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