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Sony begging PlayStation 3 developers to stay?

Sony begging PlayStation 3 developers to stay?

Critics of the PlayStation 3 have cited a lack of decent games as a major problem for the platform.

Sony has been having a tough time as of late and it's come as a bit of a shock to some that the company, once hailed as king of the consoles after the awesomely successful PlayStation 1 and 2, has appeared to be fighting an uphill battle with the PlayStation 3.

Released twelve weeks after the Xbox 360, the PlayStation 3 hasn't sold as well as might have been expected and the console has suffered from a lack of games when compared to the Xbox 360.

Now, it looks like Sony may have finally cottoned on to how precarious a position they appear to be in. In a report on the NPD breakdown of sales figures Dean Takahashi of the Mercury News alleges that Sony has been begging third-party developers not to abandon the PlayStation 3 as a platform.

"One piece of news that came out this week was that Sony pleaded with third-party developers not to abandon its struggling platform. That change in attitude is a marked difference compared to the arrogance of past years." Said Dean on his blog.

"The argument is that the PS3 will show its strength as developers learn how to make games for it. But developers know they can staff four or five Wii teams with the same number of people it takes to make one PS3 game."

The NPD gave a breakdown of game sales last month and only one PlayStation 3 game made the top ten list - and only just even then. Even the PlayStation 3 version of The Orange Box has been delayed by a few weeks, putting it behind both the PC and Xbox 360 versions, strengthening the idea that the PlayStation 3 is a system which developers find hard to work with.

Is Dean just a Sony-basher, or is there truth in his words? Tell us what you think in the forums.

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mashles 22nd October 2007, 09:58 Quote
i think it was released a little more than 12 weeks after the 360 :D
l3w1z 22nd October 2007, 10:09 Quote
Considering Sony have people like Jack Tretton & Phil Harrison trying to sell their console, I'm not suprised it's going down in flames.

No BC (Hardware or Software wise), No decent games, many stupid decisions (I still remember that blog) and they have the cheek to overcharge for it in Europe.
mmorgue 22nd October 2007, 10:14 Quote
Yep, i think Sony over-assumed too much with this console. They assumed they would/are the leaders in consoles and games (looking back on their track record for ps1 & 2), they assumed people would scrabble like headless chickens to get the ps3 when it came out, regardless of cost. They also assumed, and this is my biggest gripe, that us folks in Europe would accept any ridiculous price they set for the console. :(

Having said that tho, I do like the machine and think it has loads of potential. Shame they just didnt think ahead that any dev-unfriendly architecture is never going to make it better, even if you name is Sony!
[USRF]Obiwan 22nd October 2007, 10:15 Quote
Seems to me the cell is to difficult to programme or someting else in hardware that is not easy to work with as a developer
Andy Mc 22nd October 2007, 10:26 Quote
my money is on all the 3rd party dev's seeing sence and going over to the Wii......</fanboy>
craigey1 22nd October 2007, 10:33 Quote
not having a go, but shouldn't the first line read "Sony has been having a tough time", rather then "Sony has been having a touch time".

I've noticed there are far more of errors on the articles of bit-tech recently, then there have ever been. I'm not saying that I or most others get it right all the time. In fact most of the time we don't, but I thought Bit-tech was a more professional site rather then just an enthusiast site.

I'd suggest writing must proof-read my articles 10 times before posting new articles. Perhaps asking a colleague to read through it too might help!
cjoyce1980 22nd October 2007, 10:52 Quote
looks like the PS3 is this generations Sega Saturn, but could a developer friendly PS4 get them out of trouble or will they end up like sega and publish there games on other consoles......
Bursar 22nd October 2007, 10:56 Quote
If the PS3 is the Saturn, then assuming they survive to make a PS4, it will be the Dreamcast, and then Sony will turn into software house after that :D
l3w1z 22nd October 2007, 11:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bursar
If the PS3 is the Saturn, then assuming they survive to make a PS4, it will be the Dreamcast, and then Sony will turn into software house after that :D

Considering Sony pretty much killed off Sega, I'd Lul
CardJoe 22nd October 2007, 11:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by craigey1
not having a go, but shouldn't the first line read "Sony has been having a tough time", rather then "Sony has been having a touch time".

I've noticed there are far more of errors on the articles of bit-tech recently, then there have ever been. I'm not saying that I or most others get it right all the time. In fact most of the time we don't, but I thought Bit-tech was a more professional site rather then just an enthusiast site.

I'd suggest writing must proof-read my articles 10 times before posting new articles. Perhaps asking a colleague to read through it too might help!

Due to a different piece of news which took my attention away, I didn't manage to give this article as through a reading as usual - sorry! you'll understand later today hopefully.
Andy Mc 22nd October 2007, 11:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by CardJoe

Due to a different piece of news which took my attention away, I didn't manage to give this article as through a reading as usual - sorry! you'll understand later today hopefully.

I take it that was the Double Fine announcement? as it looks really good, just not sure about Jack Black voicing over the lead character.
inflatable 22nd October 2007, 11:47 Quote
1. I think the argument developers have to learn to program for a particular gameconsoles is overrated.. Sure they learn a few new optimazations overtime etc, but in the end you still have the same old hardware to work with.. Later generation games will run and look a bit better, but the differences are never night and day.. The differences between Xbox 360 and PS3 games are very minor to nonexisting.. The differences between the PS2 and Xbox also didn't change overtime, the same will happen with the Xbox 360 and PS3 I predict, games on both systems will remain looking the same.. I very much doubt developers will all of a sudden see the magic light and PS3 games will start to look much better then their Xbox 360 counterparts.. Sony just waisted a lot of time on making a special architecture that is to difficult to program for where MS has proven you can get the same results with a more well known architecture (if that what the Xbox 360 architecture is, because it's still a bit different from the PC)..

2. Developers are not gonna waist people on Wii-games even if they are cheaper to produce, for 1 simpel reason; 3rd party games don't sell on a Nintendo platform, never have, probably never will.. Look at the Wii gamesales, it's all Nintendo games again.. Xbox 360 and PS3 might be more expensive, but at least you know your games will sell on those platforms..
PQuiff 22nd October 2007, 11:47 Quote
Cant say im sorry. I loved my PS2. Ive now got a 360.

But sony come along with PS3. And BOOOOOM WTF sony?

I waited for the PS3 to come out, i was going to buy one, but Sonys attitude just sucked.
1. The Price----I WONT pay £600 quid for a console. I just want to play games.
2. BlueRay ---- I nearly fainted in HMV when i saw the movie price ( there were films for £50) no wonder people pirate.
3. The Joypad ---- No vibrate!!! ehhhh?
4. Duff Games ----- Err where are the games... VF5 and errr...hmmm
5. Backward Compatibility ---- for £600 quid it can play ALL of my PS games not just some....and now NONE!!!!!!!!
5. Sony Bloody Attitude ---- We Pay your wages(or would have). Not the other way around. Just general trying to bullshit us. Sixaxis, and no vibrate....cause you lost the court case to get vibration in your pads. No thats not next gen, no BC in the 40 gig...."it doesnt make the console cheaper". Sont take it out then?

Well lets hope for the PS4.
Solidus 22nd October 2007, 11:50 Quote
Lol i cant help but smile. I want cheap prices, the games industry has been around long enough for it to become mainstream and offer cheaper consoles, games and hardware. Just yesterday my brother went to replace our two broken ps2 pads and they cost £20 each - are you fooking kidding me? £20 each is ridiculous and the goddam cheek of them to not make ps1 pads or memory cards compatible, or the multitap. is so frustrating! if i buy the ps3, its like i have to budget another £100 just for the accessories which is annoying as hell especially when they are identicle to the previous version....unbelievable!

And its that type of arragant attitude that has got them into this hole, i pray to god the ps3 fails and fails hard. I believe however it has potential and unless they seriously start offering fairer terms to consumers, especially the european market, they will continue to fall. They have taken us europeans for a ride far too long, its time they learnt the power of the consumer and how they will not be forced to buy their console just because every developer is enticed to join their wagon.

Why are we forced to pay higher prices? why not re-use the memory cards or joypads? the Wii has done it, it used SD micro cards for memory, i can carry it around in my phone! its clever thinking like that and thats benefited Nintendo. I pray the games come over to the Wii and a few years from now, Nintendo make the next generation console which is a powrhouse, stronger than the ps3 in hardware and able to develope graphically and awe aspiring games. The wii is good, its fun but i want eye candy, i love the gameplay but i want pretty graphics too, i want realism. The Wii's next generation offspring, i pray offers this as they now have a firm footing once more, its type to offer quality again from them, i hope they dont screw it up and become arragant like Phony.

ok im done ranting!
=/

edit:

waaaay too many spelling mistakes for me to correct, too ill to bother, apologies :(
sandys 22nd October 2007, 11:57 Quote
Can anyone else hear violins
CardJoe 22nd October 2007, 11:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by Andy Mc
I take it that was the Double Fine announcement? as it looks really good, just not sure about Jack Black voicing over the lead character.

Not that. It will be the next piece of news going up, in just a few minutes.
mikeuk2004 22nd October 2007, 12:11 Quote
Im hoping to get one for christmas and this gossip wont throw me off. Im even considering selling my 360 if I dont get £280 together to by a PS3. I bet they will shift alot this christams with the 40GB model at £280.
TreeDude 22nd October 2007, 13:06 Quote
I'd say the PS3 is this generations Saturn. However Sony will never go the way Sega did. Why? They have other sources of income and are a much larger company. They can take 10 times the financial hit Sega took with their failing hardware, if not more. I may pick up a PS3 next year though. The 80gig model has good backwards compatibility and there will be a few exclusives by then that I will want. Plus I plan on getting a real HDTV by then (I have a little 19" widescreen from way back).
knowyourenemy 22nd October 2007, 13:18 Quote
"Developers, you have the honor of working on the finest gaming console ever presented before the world: the Playstation 3. However, developing for it is going to be a tricky feat - meant only for the strong of heart! For you see, we hold only two locations to develop in, of course, to prevent leaking and piracy of our proprietary rights. These locations will be provided free of cost to you and you will be given every resource Sony can afford aloft this panel designed for five men. That's right, every resource... on this panel... designed for five men... and suspended over a heated pool of green acid that stretches for twenty meters. We've already tried daisy-chaining the cables to robe yourself out, you don't have enough."
Bursar 22nd October 2007, 13:31 Quote
@Solidus: But that's where they make the money. Aside from Nintendo, consoles are sold at a loss initially. Sony and MS make their money from games licensing and accessory sales.

I feel your pain though, because although the consoles might reduce over time from several hundred pounds to maybe £99 by the end of their life, the accessories never reduce in line :(
fargo 22nd October 2007, 15:24 Quote
I'm afraid thats what happens when console makers try to compete on a level with pc gaming as xbox360
has certainly had its share of problems. long live pc game developers
completemadness 22nd October 2007, 15:33 Quote
It probably wouldn't be a problem, But the PS3 just doesn't have that many users (and that's compounded by the lack of decent games)

I mean, why do you want to set 4 teams worth of people just to get a PS3 game? especially when the PS3 probably only has 20% of the market (and I'm sure that's extremely generous, id guess more like 5%)
cyrilthefish 22nd October 2007, 16:45 Quote
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That change in attitude is a marked difference compared to the arrogance of past years.
Best quote by far there.

The main reason i really want the PS3 to fail at the moment is to give Sony a huge kick up the arse and reverse their truly staggering levels of arrogance and anti-consumer sentiment from the past few years.

There was a time that Sony, while a bit pricey, was a well respected brand name. That has changed...
Certainly amongst my group of friends, Sonys name has gone from well respected to somewhere near RIAA level over the past few years.

So i do hope Sony really fail with this generation, so they can look back at what went wrong and reverse the changes :)
Firehed 22nd October 2007, 17:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by Andy Mc
my money is on all the 3rd party dev's seeing sence and going over to the Wii......</fanboy>
Mine was too, but it just wasn't happening quickly enough, so I sold the thing. Other than Zelda and a couple things that didn't really appeal much to me, there was nothing worth playing at all. The 360 has an established platform and a solid user-base - as such, it has games worth buying.

Having said that, it's probably only the case because it came out a year early. If all three consoles had launched the same time, I expect the PS3 would be stronger than it is now. You've got two consoles competing on graphics, and while they're reasonably on par with each other, people might have paid the premium at the time given Sony's greater experience and the blu-ray player. Then, of course, you've got the Wii. TBH, I don't think it's really brought that much to the table this round after having owned one for months, but I think you'll see that accelerometer thing come into play strongly in the next generation of consoles - hopefully as a more-refined extension of the games rather than actually being the games (it works well for driving games and such, but quickly grows tiresome to flail the thing around like a sword. Though it works extremely well in Tennis despite being very similar in execution).
Breach 22nd October 2007, 18:48 Quote
Pretty soon we can put the PS3 on the same shelf with the Dreamcast and the Saturn...

No company is more deserving of complete failure in my eyes. They can take their crappy console, Blu-Ray, DRM infected CDs and all of their failed proprietary formats and eat it. I'm not really sure why they expect consumers to lay back and be force fed their products, I happily go somewhere else.
themax 22nd October 2007, 19:03 Quote
I doubt Sony is "begging" developers to stay. Yes they are probably trying to appeal more to developers to stay with it, but hardly begging. I feel that devs are more or less sticking with PS3 as a viable platform due in part for the same reasons they stuck with Microsoft when they first entered the market. How many PS2's were sold compared to the Xbox? And yet still Bungie went ahead with Halo, Lionhead went ahead with Fable, and Bioware saw fit to release a follow up to KoToR despite the abysmal sales and bulky (and eventually refined) controller. You guys doom and gloom Sony like they are finished, and no developers want to develope for them at all. Level-5, a Sony developer, has state they probably NEVER will develope for Xbox again following their failed relationship with Microsoft with True Fantasy Online on the 360. Square-Enix and Konami are still developing flagships titles, despite being vocally concerned, and Namco hasn't abandoned them either. If anything Capcom is the only indicator of a developer Sony could possible be trying to convince to develope, but with the recent Lost Planet announcement, and the new PSN Commando's game in the works I doubt that is the case either.

I don't see any begging going on, but I'm sure you guys would love for it to be that way.
l3w1z 22nd October 2007, 19:30 Quote
The PS3:- You get what you paid for, a £425 book-end.
mikeuk2004 22nd October 2007, 19:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Breach
Pretty soon we can put the PS3 on the same shelf with the Dreamcast and the Saturn...

No company is more deserving of complete failure in my eyes. They can take their crappy console, Blu-Ray, DRM infected CDs and all of their failed proprietary formats and eat it. I'm not really sure why they expect consumers to lay back and be force fed their products, I happily go somewhere else.

I bet you have an Ipod. Anyway. force fed?? You dont have to buy their products so yes, go elsewhere.

I really find odd, the hatred everyone has against certain company’s. What have they done to you?? Its simple, just dont by it if you dont like it. What have they done to you?? The end of the day, no company can release a product that pleases everyone. There is always something people like to complain about. Sony or even MS didnt have to invest Millions in trying to create a powerful games machine for you and me to enjoy. They could just say f*** you, why should we make things that entertain you and just make nothing instead. Otherwise we will be stuck with only a WII and Ipod for 100 years. You need Sony and MS to keep the competition going to keep the development going. If not then everyone will get bored.

Yeah Blu-Ray is propriety, and so what. The 360 video downloads can only be played on my 360, isnt that propriety?? Pay money for a film and your screwed as you cant move it and watch on PC etc. Blu-Ray has not failed either because its outselling HD DVD.

And those that still complain about the price saying we are getting ripped off. They are loosing money so they are not doing any of the ripping off. Its consumers ripping them off demanding them to spend millions developing a product and expect to pay peanuts.
mikeuk2004 22nd October 2007, 19:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by l3w1z
The PS3:- You get what you paid for, a £425 book-end.

Where have you been, its £280 - £350.
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Originally Posted by PQuiff
1. The Price----I WONT pay £600 quid for a console. I just want to play games.

It has never been £600
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Originally Posted by Solidus
Just yesterday my brother went to replace our two broken ps2 pads and they cost £20 each - are you fooking kidding me? £20 each is ridiculous and the goddam cheek of them to not make ps1 pads or memory cards compatible, or the multitap. is so frustrating! if i buy the ps3, its like i have to budget another £100 just for the accessories which is annoying as hell especially when they are identicle to the previous version....unbelievable!


Your moaning at £20?? My 360 pad was £35 and I have a 360 wheel for £80 which is awaiting to be replaced by MS. Plus Nintendo have split their controller into 2 parts to get more money than that, by charging you £15 for the Nunchuck and £30 for the Wii Mote. £45 !!!!! to have a complete controller!!!!! and then you have to buy a classic controller to play other games that the Wii mote dont work on. I find that unbelievable and a rip off.
Gizmo1990 22nd October 2007, 21:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by inflatable
2. Developers are not gonna waist people on Wii-games even if they are cheaper to produce, for 1 simpel reason; 3rd party games don't sell on a Nintendo platform, never have, probably never will.. Look at the Wii gamesales, it's all Nintendo games again.. Xbox 360 and PS3 might be more expensive, but at least you know your games will sell on those platforms..
Wha wha wha..!? My vote for dumbest video games post this year surely. Congrats.

Go back and check your facts...
benjamyn 22nd October 2007, 21:34 Quote
Resident evil 4 was the 2nd best selling Cube IIRC
Jamie 22nd October 2007, 21:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by benjamyn
Resident evil 4 was the 2nd best selling Cube IIRC

The_Beast 22nd October 2007, 22:11 Quote
sony keeps screwing itself when it come to the PS3
evanbraakensiek 23rd October 2007, 00:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
I bet you have an Ipod. Anyway. force fed?? You dont have to buy their products so yes, go elsewhere.

I really find odd, the hatred everyone has against certain company’s. What have they done to you?? Its simple, just dont by it if you dont like it. What have they done to you?? The end of the day, no company can release a product that pleases everyone. There is always something people like to complain about. Sony or even MS didnt have to invest Millions in trying to create a powerful games machine for you and me to enjoy. They could just say f*** you, why should we make things that entertain you and just make nothing instead. Otherwise we will be stuck with only a WII and Ipod for 100 years. You need Sony and MS to keep the competition going to keep the development going. If not then everyone will get bored.

Yeah Blu-Ray is propriety, and so what. The 360 video downloads can only be played on my 360, isnt that propriety?? Pay money for a film and your screwed as you cant move it and watch on PC etc. Blu-Ray has not failed either because its outselling HD DVD.

And those that still complain about the price saying we are getting ripped off. They are loosing money so they are not doing any of the ripping off. Its consumers ripping them off demanding them to spend millions developing a product and expect to pay peanuts.

[+]

Thought I should add, Sony pretty much equates to great build quality and design. Always has the best third party developer support and usually is the most technology advanced console in its respective generation. If I had the money, I would buy a PS3, there is no viable and worthwhile competition.
Gizmo1990 23rd October 2007, 00:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by evanbraakensiek
[+]

Thought I should add, Sony pretty much equates to great build quality and design. Always has the best third party developer support and usually is the most technology advanced console in its respective generation. If I had the money, I would buy a PS3, there is no viable and worthwhile competition.
Wow even more dumb stuff! This site is brilliant for ill informed games tosh.

Pretty much your entire post is plain wrong oh, except for the build quality and design part.
completemadness 23rd October 2007, 00:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
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Originally Posted by Solidus
Just yesterday my brother went to replace our two broken ps2 pads and they cost £20 each - are you fooking kidding me? £20 each is ridiculous and the goddam cheek of them to not make ps1 pads or memory cards compatible, or the multitap. is so frustrating! if i buy the ps3, its like i have to budget another £100 just for the accessories which is annoying as hell especially when they are identicle to the previous version....unbelievable!
Your moaning at £20?? My 360 pad was £35 and I have a 360 wheel for £80 which is awaiting to be replaced by MS. Plus Nintendo have split their controller into 2 parts to get more money than that, by charging you £15 for the Nunchuck and £30 for the Wii Mote. £45 !!!!! to have a complete controller!!!!! and then you have to buy a classic controller to play other games that the Wii mote don't work on. I find that unbelievable and a rip off.
Well said

Also, i would like to add, the PS2 controller has pressure sensitive buttons (ever noticed while playing a driving game your speed depends on the force exerted on the button?)
This actually means that the PS2 controller and PS1 controller are very different

So the PS1 controller cant exactly be made into a PS2 controller, i never understood the memory card issue, but as i already had a 32mb PS1 memory card, it really wasn't an issue
bahgger 23rd October 2007, 01:04 Quote
Although I agree with this post, and being that this is a forum and not the front page, I still can't help but notice these errors :o
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Originally Posted by craigey1
not having a go, but shouldn't the first line read "Sony has been having a tough time", rather then "Sony has been having a touch time".

I've noticed there are far more of errors on the articles of bit-tech recently, then there have ever been. I'm not saying that I or most others get it right all the time. In fact most of the time we don't, but I thought Bit-tech was a more professional site rather then just an enthusiast site.

I'd suggest writing - writers? must proof-read my articles 10 times before posting new articles. Perhaps asking a colleague to read through it too might help!
evanbraakensiek 23rd October 2007, 01:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gizmo1990
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Originally Posted by evanbraakensiek
[+]

Thought I should add, Sony pretty much equates to great build quality and design. Always has the best third party developer support and usually is the most technology advanced console in its respective generation. If I had the money, I would buy a PS3, there is no viable and worthwhile competition.
Wow even more dumb stuff! This site is brilliant for ill informed games tosh.

Pretty much your entire post is plain wrong oh, except for the build quality and design part.

Name me one worthwhile title on either the Wii or 360 from a third party developer. Arguing that the PS3 isn't the most advanced console is a waste of time, since it plainly is.
devdevil85 23rd October 2007, 02:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by Gizmo1990
Pretty much your entire post is plain wrong oh, except for the build quality and design part.
atleast you acknowledged that the build quality and thermal design was better....o yeah and btw where was the 360 at less than a year after its launch? What was its competition....o yeah that's right EVERY game they came out with was amazing because there was NOTHING to compare it to....secondly, why do people continue to support a console that is prone to overheating (I mean for Christ's sake, the steering wheel overheats!).......
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
I really find odd, the hatred everyone has against [Sony/PS3]
as big as Sony (or any company its size) is, all it takes is one department's mistake(s) to affect the entire organization, which btw I have seen people explaining as their reasoning for hating the PS3 even though the "matter at hand" had nothing to do with the console itself.....

or it's because they already own or will own a 360, and rather than accepting its inevitable existence in the marketplace they would rather have Sony...sorry I mean the PS3..."go away" or "fall off the face of the earth", yet in actuality they are afraid that the PS3 could take off and inevitably become the console everyone was expecting....
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
Released twelve weeks after the Xbox 360
c'mon Joe, you should know better than that.....
devdevil85 23rd October 2007, 03:24 Quote
Honestly, I'm not for or against any of the consoles...all power to them.....each one has it's place....it's just when I hear/see things posted on here that just aren't right and need to be addressed.....that's when I post.....so dont' call me a f***ing fanboy
cyrilthefish 23rd October 2007, 03:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by devdevil85
as big as Sony (or any company its size) is, all it takes is one department's mistake(s) to affect the entire organization
True to a point, but:

The music media arm of Sony = pure anti-consumer: summed up by expensive prices, forced kicking screaming into the online world, DRM and root-kits
The music arm of Sony = started up the entire portable music system (walkman brand), only to completely throw it all away under pressure from the above
Playstation brand = very good and competitive up to the PS2 range
Playstation brand, PSP/PS3+ = threw away the above under extreme arrogance: high prices and the whole "you should feel privileged we're letting you buy one!" frame of mind from their PR dept.

Thats more than one department, it's a significant percentage...

Whilst i have some respect for the Sony brand of old, in recent years it seems Sony only opens their corporate mouth to exchange feet...

Note that i don't have a blind dislike for Sony, but if they'd go back to their customer policy they had about 5 years ago i'd be happy to buy their stuff, whereas i make a conscious effort to avoid anything by them at the moment...
Sebbo 23rd October 2007, 03:58 Quote
firstly,
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Released twelve weeks after the Xbox 360
i'm sure you meant twelve months :)
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Originally Posted by inflatable
1. I think the argument developers have to learn to program for a particular gameconsoles is overrated.. Sure they learn a few new optimazations overtime etc, but in the end you still have the same old hardware to work with.. Later generation games will run and look a bit better, but the differences are never night and day.. The differences between Xbox 360 and PS3 games are very minor to nonexisting.. The differences between the PS2 and Xbox also didn't change overtime, the same will happen with the Xbox 360 and PS3 I predict, games on both systems will remain looking the same.. I very much doubt developers will all of a sudden see the magic light and PS3 games will start to look much better then their Xbox 360 counterparts.. Sony just waisted a lot of time on making a special architecture that is to difficult to program for where MS has proven you can get the same results with a more well known architecture (if that what the Xbox 360 architecture is, because it's still a bit different from the PC)..

the reason many games will look similar is because they use the same assests - models, textures, sounds etc. you can be assured that the actual programming is very different between systems, as each console manufacturer (and their hardware partners) creates the SDK used to develop games for that platform. Sony's consoles have always been slightly harder to develop for, first with the Emotion Engine (some of the mapping effects had to be done in several passes, where as Nintendo and Microsoft allowed you to do it in just one), and now with the Cell chip, which was never suited to games programming in the first place (sure, its floating-point performance is brilliant, but when it comes to integer math and the like, its seriously let down...and writing code to effectively use 7 cores must be a b*tch as well)
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Originally Posted by inflatable
2. Developers are not gonna waist people on Wii-games even if they are cheaper to produce, for 1 simpel reason; 3rd party games don't sell on a Nintendo platform, never have, probably never will.. Look at the Wii gamesales, it's all Nintendo games again.. Xbox 360 and PS3 might be more expensive, but at least you know your games will sell on those platforms..

i'd beg to differ. there are many devs who have already jumped ship (one of Capcom's games, the name of which escapes me at the moment, has moved completely from PS3 to Wii). and while it is true that Nintendo's games sell the best on its own console, which first party games for other consoles don't? Multi-platform games have never quite sold as well on Nintendo consoles as they have on other consoles (FIFA, Madden for example), but other 3rd party efforts (like Resident Evil 4) have done very well (:|yeah, a mature game selling well on a Nintendo console, who'd have thought?)

Developers go where the market goes, its all about business and money in the end
koola 23rd October 2007, 15:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by devdevil85
Honestly, I'm not for or against any of the consoles...all power to them.....each one has it's place....it's just when I hear/see things posted on here that just aren't right and need to be addressed.....that's when I post.....so dont' call me a f***ing fanboy
Just a coincidence that most of your posts are defending Sony "like" a fanboy and shooting down anything else.

For a gaming console, the 360 wins every time due to its array of games and excellent online network. I do however insist that the PS3 is the far better designed console, feature and hardware wise.
l3w1z 23rd October 2007, 17:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
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Originally Posted by l3w1z
The PS3:- You get what you paid for, a £425 book-end.

Where have you been, its £280 - £350.


That was the price of the 60GB I think, plus the quote was stolen from someone posting on threespeech. Eitherway you get what I'm trying to say.
devdevil85 23rd October 2007, 17:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by koola
Just a coincidence that most of your posts are defending Sony "like" a fanboy and shooting down anything else.
How about I'm with both consoles, not for/against them....is that Ok? Secondly, everything on this site has to do with negative comments re: the PS3 (if Sony does something "good" it's usually put off as being "expected news" or a "360's already doing it, so stop wasting your time Sony"), and honestly I would do the same for 360 if people started dogging on it and spouted off completely opinionated comments, and rather than acknowledging them as their own opinion, they put them off to be fact.....I guess you (and a lot of other people) can't seem to see that....
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Originally Posted by koola
For a gaming console, the 360 wins every time due to its array of games and excellent online network. I do however insist that the PS3 is the far better designed console, feature and hardware wise.
the 360 wins "every time" atm yes, but you (along with a lot of other people) must not be giving the PS3 the necessary time (it hasn't even been a year yet) it takes for games (meaning AAA titles) to debut or even considering the pricedrop.....also how is the PSN any worse than XBL considering you have to pay an annual fee for an XBL account?
CardJoe 23rd October 2007, 17:33 Quote
Let's not have all this discussion again, ok? DevDevil isn't a fanboy and neither am I. I write articles based on personal opinion and general consensus which should always be taken tongue in cheek on matters such as this. Sony is a good company, but this is a legitimate rumour and the fears about the PS3 are also legitimate and commonly held. The same could be said about the Xbox 360 and the Wii. If the PS3 is nothing more than bookend then the Xbox 360 is just a slightly more popular (for now) bookend which constantly threatens to burst into flames, the Wii is a gimmick bookend most of us never use more than thrice and the PC is the most expensive bookend you'll ever bloody buy.

Now, play nice ;)
devdevil85 23rd October 2007, 18:48 Quote
thanx Joe for that bit of encouragement.....since you are "the guy" to go for re: anything gaming it's good to hear you say something to help "calm the storm".....
whisperwolf 23rd October 2007, 22:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by devdevil85
thanx Joe for that bit of encouragement.....since you are "the guy" to go for re: anything gaming it's good to hear you say something to help "calm the storm".....

well he's the guy to go to for gaming apart from goldeneye as he apparently hasn't played it. shesh gaming journalists these days.:D

In my heart I hate Sony with a passion but it’s mainly based on their music and movie business not the other sides like hardware and gaming, it just bleeds across. I do think that this generation will be lot tougher for Sony, the extra year the 360 had to market gave them a quite large base of users, and developers will go where the customers are, hence so far there are a lot fewer exclusives for Sony than before. Developers cannot afford to miss out on sales that could be made if they release on two or more consoles. With a more even split of users across the platforms this time round I see far fewer exclusives for any console by third party developers. of course this might also mean more mediocre cross platform releases
l3w1z 23rd October 2007, 22:18 Quote
The PS3 is still a bookend
fathazza 23rd October 2007, 22:23 Quote
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
Let's not have all this discussion again, ok? DevDevil isn't a fanboy and neither am I. I write articles based on personal opinion and general consensus which should always be taken tongue in cheek on matters such as this. Sony is a good company, but this is a legitimate rumour and the fears about the PS3 are also legitimate and commonly held. The same could be said about the Xbox 360 and the Wii. If the PS3 is nothing more than bookend then the Xbox 360 is just a slightly more popular (for now) bookend which constantly threatens to burst into flames, the Wii is a gimmick bookend most of us never use more than thrice and the PC is the most expensive bookend you'll ever bloody buy.

Now, play nice ;)



im thinking of getting rid of my gimmicky bookend cos the gimmick has worn off and cant decide whether i want a flamey bookend or an overpriced bookend or even whether i need a bookend at all... And surely if im going to be having bookends of some sort im going to need some books and im not sure what type of bookend fits the kind of books i want,
Vash-HT 24th October 2007, 21:52 Quote
Well all I can say is I hope they stay in it, I actually like some SCEA games a ton, especially ICO and SoTC.
johnnyboy700 24th October 2007, 21:59 Quote
I gues it doesn't matter what system you have you will always end up with a "my (insert console type 1 here) is better that your (insert console type 2) and nobody likes (insert console type 3 here)" argument.
I still remember the rabid baiting that went on between ZX Spectrum owners and C64 owners, even some of the Computer mags of the day joined in and probably most of them worked in the same building.
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