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40GB PS3 could do backwards compatibility?

40GB PS3 could do backwards compatibility?

There are some truly quality titles which owners of the 40GB PlayStation 3 will be missing out on.

The new 40GB version of the PlayStation 3 is definitely making waves in the gamer community - bringing the console down to a more affordable price point whilst still keeping all the fancy functionality of the other PlayStation 3 models. Well, almost all of it.

Gone is the backwards compatibility of the more expensive versions, so 40GB owners will not be able to play any of their PS2 games on the PS3. That fact has divided gamers into two distinct factions - those who, like Tim, only want to play the newest games and enjoy them in all their glory. Or those who, like me, would prefer to be able to play their old games once their old consoles inevitably break down (but who can't afford to break the bank on a more expensive PS3).

Luke Plunkett of Kotaku falls into the latter camp and has been spending a fair few hours lately worrying about his old library of games. He's taken it upon himself to contact Sony and find out just why the new version of the PS3 can't do backwards compatibility. Here's what he got told:

"The 40GB model, to be launched in Europe on 10th October, is a new model and is not equipped with any of the semi conductors from the PS2, and backwards compatibility would therefore have to be achieved by software emulation alone.

"The sheer numbers of PS2 titles available, together with the increased complexity of using a software only solution for each and every title means that to ensure accurate software emulation for the majority would be technically challenging, time consuming and costly. As we have mentioned on several occasions, our engineering resources are now focused on developing new and innovative features and services for the PS3 and, as a result the 40GB model does not have backwards compatibility with PS2 titles.
"

So, there you go. Sony could give the new model backwards compatibility, it just doesn't want to.

How important is backwards compatibility to you? Let us know in the forums.

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sandys 9th October 2007, 09:44 Quote
At £350 for the full fat version I don't understand why people are moaning, I mean you get 2 games with the value pack if you didn't like them you could sell them for 20-30quid and end up with a PS3 that has full BC and a bigger HD for more or less the same money as the 40Gb, its a no brainer really.

BTW there is an inaccuracy in your article the 40Gb will play PS1 games as that has always been done fully in software rather than needing any hardware units.
Flibblebot 9th October 2007, 09:45 Quote
In other news, in another kick to the balls of European gamers, the 40Gb PS3 is due to be launched in the US on November 2, at a price of $399.

And what's this about Sony's engineers working on "new features" for the PS3? Stop mucking around with the console, we don't need any more versions already!
mmorgue 9th October 2007, 09:46 Quote
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The 40GB model, to be launched in Europe on 10th October, is a new model and is not equipped with any of the semi conductors from the PS2

Wait a minute. I could have sworn that our PAL PS3 machines *already* had this "feature"? I thought our backwards compat was software based? They removed the chips the NTSC/JAP editions had for cost reductions, etc.

So if that's the case, how would it be difficult at all? Unless of course the installed OS is drastically different on the new 40gig edition than that of the current ones available, wouldn't any of the firmware updates also include backward compat features?

Weird.....
sandys 9th October 2007, 09:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by mmorgue
Wait a minute. I could have sworn that our PAL PS3 machines *already* had this "feature"? I thought our backwards compat was software based? They removed the chips the NTSC/JAP editions had for cost reductions, etc.

If you read the linked article you will see that the first JAP/US units has both a PS2 EE and GS chip, Euro and later PS3 in all territories had only the GS+, the 40Gb removes the GS+ chip.
sandys 9th October 2007, 09:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Flibblebot
In other news, in another kick to the balls of European gamers, the 40Gb PS3 is due to be launched in the US on November 2, at a price of $399.

Come on that is a tired old complaint and is the same for all hardware from each company when comparing US and UK prices not just Sony.
cjoyce1980 9th October 2007, 10:18 Quote
what happened to the good old days when here was just one verison on of a console from day one till the end of its life.

also is this sony admentting there screwed up with the PS3 and so they are starting to chop it to pieces to justiful the consoles existents
will. 9th October 2007, 10:25 Quote
For once, I'm leaning more on Sony's side. Who cares? If I want to play a ps2 game or a ps1 game, I can break out those consoles... If anything I prefer having a whole stack of consoles on display. It gives me geek cred!
mikeuk2004 9th October 2007, 10:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by Flibblebot
In other news, in another kick to the balls of European gamers, the 40Gb PS3 is due to be launched in the US on November 2, at a price of $399.
!

How is that, sony have given a new cheaper version.

You go to a fiat Garage to buy a new punto, you dont get all the upgrades you get in the expensive model in the cheap model. If you did then there would not be 2 models.

Doh

If you want backwards compatibility then by the 60gb model. Simple. If you dont want to pay that then tuff, you got go with the cheaper model and miss out on a few things.
AlexB 9th October 2007, 10:50 Quote
I dont see the problem. Buy the exprensive one if you want all the features. It's like whinging that the 360 CORE doesnt come with a HDD or Wireless Controller.

Who cares. :)
Edvuld 9th October 2007, 11:21 Quote
Weel, I guess bit of the problem is that when the 60GB batch is sold out, there will be no more BC in any PS3 version, so for those still waiting for the price to drop some more, it sucks.

I'll keep my PS2 until it breaks so I can get perfect PS2 gaming...
Jordan Wise 9th October 2007, 11:32 Quote
i have never owned a ps2, and as i am now old enough to work and can afford to buy one i'd rather get a ps3 which is b/c rather than fork out £80- £100 quid for a ps2 so i can cath up on the games i missed, namely the metal gears and ff games. I used to consider the ps3 having more value for money because it could play these games, but now its looking like more of a rip off to me
LeMaltor 9th October 2007, 11:34 Quote
Old PS's breaking? I have 2 PS1's one was bought launch week and a PS2, all 3 of them still work :)
Veles 9th October 2007, 11:43 Quote
I'm in the same camp that doesn't particularly care about backwards compatibility, I wouldn't mind it, but if it's not hardware BC, don't even bother. The only Xbox game I play on my 360 is Halo 2 (very occasionally), because of the poor BC I got with KotOR, if I want to play an original Xbox game, I play it on my old Xbox. I think BC is a great idea, if that means I need less boxes under my TV then that's great, but if it's going to be half assed software emulation, then IMO, don't even bother, it's crap.

@ LeMaltor: You're very lucky, the PS1 seems pretty sturdy, unfortunately I had my old one stolen so I can't comment on it's longevity, but I heard they're pretty good. PS2's however, I only know one person with a PS2 who didn't have it DRE on them.
mikeuk2004 9th October 2007, 12:11 Quote
My Ps1 never broke but my PS2 did. Ps2 only broke because I was living with students who pretty much beat the crap out of it and it refused to work.

I bought my PS2 the same time my bro did not long after the launch and his is still working and been passed onto our older brother for his kids. There is still life in that fat brick.
Omnituens 9th October 2007, 12:36 Quote
BC is very important to me. I have 2 PS2, one for BC on UK games and one on BC for imports. Just wish the PS3 did both :(
TreeDude 9th October 2007, 13:04 Quote
The thing to me is the fact that with one of the PS3 updates they added upsampling. So for people with HDTVs the PS2 games will look much better on the PS3 because the PS3 is doing the scaling and not the TV.

Sony also took out some of the PS2 chips from the 60gig model that reduced it's backwards compatibility.
zabe 9th October 2007, 13:51 Quote
i don't see any problems either. it's not that sony doesn't WANT to put bw compatibility, just that looking at it from a business point of view, it's not productive for them in terms of cost/benefit. if you want to play ps2 games (as I do), just buy the high-end model, and don't start with that "it's too expensive" crap. anyone who can save money for a 400€ ps3 can wait a bit more and save further to buy the 600€ model. took you half-year to save 400€? well then, just be patient for other 3 months and you'll have the whole package. really, i just think it's a matter of planning ahead, saving and being patient to get what you want. you've got to earn it guys, things don't fall from the sky.
AlexB 9th October 2007, 14:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by Veles
@ LeMaltor: You're very lucky, the PS1 seems pretty sturdy, unfortunately I had my old one stolen so I can't comment on it's longevity, but I heard they're pretty good. PS2's however, I only know one person with a PS2 who didn't have it DRE on them.



That's ********.
I've had my PS2 since launch day, and it still works fine. It's been chucked about, mistreated, and never fails to play games.
fleole 9th October 2007, 14:24 Quote
Where can you find the different tech spec of the different model ??

Like said a guy before, where is the time when a console got the same tech spec from beginning to end.....

Console become like PC.... and I find that annoying.
devdevil85 9th October 2007, 15:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by fleole
Like said a guy before, where is the time when a console got the same tech spec from beginning to end.....
and when was "the time"? Every console all the way back to the Sega Genesis (that I know of) has had hardware revisions (remember the 32X adaptor?)

Now, here's a question: when were the days when a console didn't have any of it's original features removed at a later date?

Revisions and updates are what keep consoles "fresh" and help drive additional sales for companies along with bringing added value and maybe some reliability to existing/future owners.....sadly in this case, it hurts Sony's credibility and affects customer relations, but from a business standpoint it just makes sense to focus on what really matters (to everyone) and that's looking into future endeavors....
Flibblebot 9th October 2007, 17:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by devdevil85
Now, here's a question: when were the days when a console didn't have any of it's original features removed at a later date?
The problem with PS3 is that we're on the third or fourth (forget which, I'm losing count already!) iteration of the console within the first year. That's why Sony is losing face - the changes they've made are tantamount to Sony putting up their hands and admitting that the PS3 has been a flop so far.

At least with the other consoles, they waited a bit longer before bringing out new editions - and they tended to add functionality on to the console, not take it away.

That said though, I'm not at all interested in backwards compatibility (never had a PS2), but I am seriously thinking about buying a 40Gb model...
sandys 9th October 2007, 18:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Flibblebot
The problem with PS3 is that we're on the third or fourth (forget which, I'm losing count already!) iteration of the console within the first year. That's why Sony is losing face - the changes they've made are tantamount to Sony putting up their hands and admitting that the PS3 has been a flop so far.


It could also be taken as Sony listening to the consumer, having had one from the start I'd say its been quite good, Sony have gone a long way to addressing featureset through the firmware and very quickly responding to problems that there have been with the unit. BC was very important to me and when Sony gimped the Euro unit I was pissed, fortunately ASDA had the slims at £50 at the time so I picked one up, Sony fixed the software very quickly though and I ended up trading in for the 3 and all but 2 titles worked, a month later all my titles worked :cool:

It took MS until about June/July this year to get decent BC at all on the 360 and that was only because Sony did such a good job of it in the first place otherwise it would have remain the pit of **** that it was.

All consoles go through component reduction as part of cost cutting measures its just never been as visible as it is these days with the popularity of trashy 'net media sites, theres been about 15 versions of PS2 and same sort of thing for PS1, it happens a lot and it happens early on as they loose a bucket load of dosh on the hardware.
completemadness 9th October 2007, 20:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by AlexB
That's ********.
I've had my PS2 since launch day, and it still works fine. It's been chucked about, mistreated, and never fails to play games.
My release day PS2 died, the video chip broke or something

But Sony replaced it, and it worked fine :) (until i broke it by attempting to mod) the latest PS2 i have is a V4 (so its pretty old) the laser is dead but the console is still going fine
whisperwolf 9th October 2007, 22:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by devdevil85
and when was "the time"? Every console all the way back to the Sega Genesis (that I know of) has had hardware revisions (remember the 32X adaptor?)

N64 as far as I’m aware had only one version of the hardware, though you could buy expansion pak memory addition. I'm more fed up with different versions of the same console being around with differing capabilities, Microsoft are by far the worst offenders to me with the 360's lack of hard drive in the core. in the past new variations of consoles have come along for two main reasons, change in technology has enable the console to be produced cheaper/smaller, fair enough, and to alter the colour of the console to horrid pastel, clears, metallics and pinks to cater to people who don't know what paint is. But in both those cases the consoles kept all the functionality of the previous editions, and apart from a stock sell of period didn't sell two versions at once, you just bought a ps2, or a megadrive.

I want to be able to just buy any game in the consoles life cycle, insert and play, not have to worry about some saying in the future, ah well that game wont work with the 2.36b version as they took out the pinkness chip.
rexer 22nd December 2009, 17:27 Quote
i wouldnt have wasted my money on a ps3 if i had known it wouldnt play the ps2 games
Baz 22nd December 2009, 17:49 Quote
thread Necromancy!
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