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Nintendo cannot meet Christmas demand

Nintendo cannot meet Christmas demand

Again, this may be as close as you can get to actually owning a Nintendo Wii this year.

Nintendo of America President, Reggie Fils-Amie, is by all accounts a likeable guy despite his archaic turns of phrase. Part of that likeable charm stems from how open he is on a number of topics.

Speaking to the Mercury News, Reggie has admitted that Nintendo may not be able to keep up with demand this Christmas, for the second year running.

"We're working very hard to make sure that consumers are satisfied this holiday, but I can't guarantee that we're going to meet demand. As a matter of fact, I can tell you on the record that we won't," he said.

"What I can tell you is that typically, our inventory is lasting a day... I don't think we will know when supply crosses with demand until after the holiday season."

"The issue is not a lack of production. The issue is we went in with a curve that was aggressive, but the demand has been substantially more than that. And the ability to ramp up production and to sustain it is not a switch that you flick on."

A lot of that may be cleverly disguised PR hyperbole, but do you really want to take the chance?

Oh, and for those of you wondering if Nintendo is at all jealous of Microsoft and the inevitable success of Halo 3, allow us to clarify the matter below.

"Will it sell a lot of software? Certainly. Will it sell hardware? I think it's an open question...I think that the Halo 3 consumer already has the hardware, because they're playing BioShock and Crackdown and a variety of games that are, in the end, quite similar: first-person shooter experience, multiplayer capable online. Tell me what's new?"

So, the forum assignment of the day is; Halo 3 or Nintendo Wii and DS, which is best and why? Drop your thoughts in the forums, but be sure to show your working.

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SNIPERMikeUK 1st October 2007, 10:51 Quote
I think that with demand so high this christmas Reggie is right on the mark, there will be no marketing PR where nintendo are concerned with sales this year and next....

Mario Galaxy is hopfully only a matter of week's away now, and metroid is only week's away, and when people see these running on the pod's in-store, they are gonna want one, and something tells me by november time they will already be too late?

Having Owned no less than '4' 360's that have all failed (red ring u know the drill), I feel reggie is right to say that comment about microsoft, and he in no way is rude towards them, crackdown was a short game, and lets face it a vessel for Halo3 beta (and they had the cheek to make us pay for the add-on pack at 800points), the wii on the other-hand was a great purchase offering me quality downloads and good games, and at a fraction of the cost of 360 titles....
outlawaol 1st October 2007, 10:58 Quote
I read somewhere the the PS3, xbox 360 and one or two other consoles are to be dropped considerablly in price this holiday season. The PS3 is flopping, and Sony needs to start making some sales. I bet you'll see a good combo on that system in the near future.

As for Nintendo, they clearly cant keep enough of the systems in stock, and will red line their sales to no extent.

I for one am waiting for Halo 3 to hit pc. I wont buy into every console! :D
Duste 1st October 2007, 11:06 Quote
*high fives self for getting the first Wii where he lives*

:D
Da_Rude_Baboon 1st October 2007, 12:03 Quote
Hope fully if demand out strips supply i will be able to sell my Wii for a nice sum and buy a console which actually has some decent games for it. Its very nice for Nintendo to sell lots of consoles, its just a shame they aren't producing games for it at the same rate.

After a year of release the Wii would now be my 3rd choice recommendation for a console. The 360 has a good back catalogue of games, the PS3 has promising titles on the horizon and offers blu ray playback and the Wii has.... Super Mario Galaxy. So after a year of release it has Wii Sports and Zelda which have been released, Metroid and Mario coming out. Not much to recommend there.
Enak 1st October 2007, 12:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by outlawaol
The PS3 is flopping, and Sony needs to start making some sales.
Sony are already too late.

Everyone I know has a xbox, wii and a pc.

I know of only 2 people with the PS3...
whisperwolf 1st October 2007, 12:12 Quote
It's Nintendo’s consistent problem, they never release enough games in Europe, there's normally a Zelda title, a metroid title, Mario kart, Mario platformer, couple of Mario parties, couple of Mario sports titles, a starfox title, and then hopefully a couple of third party titles worth buying if your lucky. I suppose the wii also has it's virtual console where you can rebuy all the mario retro titles you have already bought for the ds/gameboy after having bought them for the original Nintendo console in the past. Nintendo's release for Europe is always last if at all, animal crossing for the gc took about 2 years to be ported across to here, the attachment for playing gameboy advance games on the gamecube took forever to come out here and we never saw the card reader gameboy attachment at all.
Da_Rude_Baboon 1st October 2007, 12:24 Quote
and they say Sony treats its European customers badly. :D
whisperwolf 1st October 2007, 12:32 Quote
Well they do, but Nintendo treat us worse :D
DougEdey 1st October 2007, 13:05 Quote
Sony overprices and calls us idiots basically. Nintendo just don't give us enough stuff. It's the backlash from the poor seal of quality stuff on the SNES that came out. Nintendo need to relax, they are forcing publishers to write their names on the back of boxes only and Nintendo goes on the front and side.
atanum141 1st October 2007, 13:10 Quote
Nintendo is alittle too far up its own arse when it comes to the Wii, just like the ps3 they dont have any killer titles. But atlest the created the niche but i can see it getting tiresome quickly.
mikeuk2004 1st October 2007, 13:40 Quote
That is crap. They are saying that so people go omg I wont be able to get one for christmas, and rush out and buy it now. Its clever PR to get more sales by making people think they wont be able to get one.

It will keep the ball going until christmas. Thats what they want by scaring consumers into thinking that they cant casually go to a store and pick on up at christmas.

Im holding off getting a PS3 until the rumble pads are in the bundles because I dont want to have to re-buy new joypads. Im alos holding off buying the Wii because there are no games of interest for me on it. Im not a fan of Mario or Zelda so im screwed if I want a game on Wii.
Redbeaver 1st October 2007, 16:13 Quote
i stick with my PC........
aggies11 1st October 2007, 17:34 Quote
Translation: Buy your Wii *NOW*, don't wait until Christmas. (Because sales are starting to slow down, and we'd like to keep them high).

While it may be true, if it's not, it is still a brilliant marketing move to increase current sales.

Aggies
Bladestorm 1st October 2007, 20:29 Quote
I don't think they need to lie about it, given that it tallies with previous reports from independant analysts that suggested nintendo just wouldn't be able to step up manufacturing capacity significantly enough to dent the demand for two years or so. If this guy has a reputation for honesty as well, then why disbelieve it ? If they are selling everything they are making and it looks like they will for a good while yet regardless than he has no reason to even try and spin anything anyway ;).
devdevil85 1st October 2007, 21:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by Enak
Quote:
Originally Posted by outlawaol
The PS3 is flopping, and Sony needs to start making some sales.
Sony are already too late.

Everyone I know has a xbox, wii and a pc.

I know of only 2 people with the PS3...
the world must revolve around you then......I love your reasoning....
cebla 1st October 2007, 23:11 Quote
To be honest I think that there are enough good games on the Wii at the moment. Mario Srikers is alot of fun if you have a couple of mates around and basically thats all I want a console for. There are also a number of other games like Rayman, Wii Sports and Tony Hawks downhill jam that are quite good fun with friends.

If I want to play single player I use my PC.
Da Dego 2nd October 2007, 01:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by Da_Rude_Baboon
Hope fully if demand out strips supply i will be able to sell my Wii for a nice sum and buy a console which actually has some decent games for it. Its very nice for Nintendo to sell lots of consoles, its just a shame they aren't producing games for it at the same rate.

After a year of release the Wii would now be my 3rd choice recommendation for a console. The 360 has a good back catalogue of games, the PS3 has promising titles on the horizon and offers blu ray playback and the Wii has.... Super Mario Galaxy. So after a year of release it has Wii Sports and Zelda which have been released, Metroid and Mario coming out. Not much to recommend there.

I, too, would say that there really aren't a shortage of great games on the Wii. It doesn't have the extensive back catalogue of the 360, that much is true. But it's also only been out a year, vs. the 3 for the 360. It has many more games than the PS3 (read: any at all?).

Super Mario galaxy will probably be great, but look at what else there already IS. Wii sports and Warioware are probably two of the best party games I've ever messed with. Guitar Hero 3 will prevent the need for many series fans from needing one of the other consoles. If you play any of the EA Sports franchise, NFL 08 and Tiger Woods 08 are both WAY better on the Wii despite aging graphics.

THEN you can add in Zelda, Metroid Prime III (which really is awesome), Super Paper Mario (if it's your thing - it is mine, but I acknowledge that taste isn't for everyone), and Resident Evil 4, which is way better on the Wii.

THEN you can add in the whole virtual console and the fact that it plays all the gamecube games....

I dunno. To me, THAT much within a year of release, on top of making something that you can actually enjoy with a group of non-gamer friends? I'd say that's a pretty full console for its limited timespan. I do hope they widen out, but come on - every console starts with practically a year solid of "launch titles", most of which aren't all that great. I mean, when we look at the PS3 - one year out - what will it look like? And what was on the 360 within a year?

Just my $0.02, though. That and another $1.50 might get ya a cup of coffee. ;)
DougEdey 2nd October 2007, 01:52 Quote
So the Wii was released in December 2006, the only good games since launch are coming out now. That's what, 9 months? Too Long. I sold my Wii 5 months ago and haven't missed it. My housemate has one and he barely touches it
completemadness 2nd October 2007, 02:15 Quote
I have to agree what I'm hearing here

From everything Ive read, and heard, and seen - the wii just doesn't have any killer games

I was considering getting a wii, but i really cant justify it, none of nintys back catalogue really appeals (maybe some zelda and such) but most games on the wii are on the PC (and therefore 360 ;))(excluding mario/zelda based games - or other ninty characters)
I guess i only like zelda because its sort of RPG combined with some puzzle solving, probably why i liked jak 3 a lot as well
fini 2nd October 2007, 10:42 Quote
"The issue is not a lack of production. The issue is we went in with a curve that was aggressive, but the demand has been substantially more than that. And the ability to ramp up production and to sustain it is not a switch that you flick on."

Does that quote read to anyone else as:

"The issue is not a lack of production. The issue is a lack of enough production"

?
Da_Rude_Baboon 2nd October 2007, 11:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by Da Dego
Just my $0.02, though. That and another $1.50 might get ya a cup of coffee. ;)

I posted a thread in the gaming section asking for recommendations for Wii games. The answers were Zelda, Wii sports, RE4 and Mario Paper. Future releases were Mario Galaxy and Metroid. So in a year thats 6 games the Wii owners on the forum can recommend one not even released yet?

Now i have RE4 on the PS2 and tbh i think its very over rated as a game tbh. Zelda was great and Wii sports is fun but has no depth to it to lift it beyond a party game. I bought Ravin Rabbis and returned it the next day as it was dire so i have little faith that wario ware will be any better. Mario paper doesn't really appeal but i am going to give it a go as there really is nothing else out there. Granted there is a back catalogue of games to play but paying £178 for an emulator is a bit hard to justify.

When the Wii works and the movement controls are used properly it can be great but most games are just waggle ware where the actions on screen don't really match your movement.
mikeuk2004 2nd October 2007, 12:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by Enak
Sony are already too late.

Everyone I know has a xbox, wii and a pc.

I know of only 2 people with the PS3...


I dont know anyone with a Wii or Ps3. Man, nintendo and sony must suck then going on that.
D3s3rt_F0x 2nd October 2007, 16:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by Reggie Fils-Amie
I think it's an open question...I think that the Halo 3 consumer already has the hardware, because they're playing BioShock and Crackdown and a variety of games that are, in the end, quite similar: first-person shooter experience, multiplayer capable online. Tell me what's new?"

The same could be asked of nintendo games, whats new? infact of the console itself what exactly is so new your bragging about it?

Nintendo games never change I could play Zelda or mario on the N64 or gamecube play it on the wii and the only thing that changes is instead of using an analogue stick, I wave my hand about a bit, wow thanks I get to pay to play the same games again just in a different manner, infact look at the lineups of the gamecube and the wii and in the majority they look exactly the same.

As for the hardware its a slightly upgraded gamecube in a different box....well done Nintendo great job on making the same old console with the same old games.

Now thats some real innovation.....
Major 2nd October 2007, 16:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
I dont know anyone with a Wii or Ps3. Man, nintendo and sony must suck then going on that.

You just wait until GTA4 and MGS4 get released, the sales of the PS3 will rocket so high other consoles will find it impossible to reach it..
devdevil85 2nd October 2007, 18:23 Quote
/\ or even Home or Littlebigplanet for that matter.....

You buy a console for the lifespan of the console. It takes developers time to develope games (developements nowadays can take up to 2-3 years for certain games or even longer for really big AAA titles), so it makes sense that major games are just now (or will be by Xmas) coming out for the Wii and PS3.....
johnnyboy700 2nd October 2007, 19:13 Quote
Okay so it may not have a definitve killer game (thats a mtter of presonal choice anyway) but I reckon the barrel of fun you can have just with Wii Sports is worth it in itself. I had mine at a party at the weekend and there was a queue of adults and kids wanting a shot all night. Any of them who didn't have their own were vowing to buy one, whether or not they do remains to be seen. My local Megastore and Superstore (other retailers are available) are sticking up "Out of Stock, More Coming Soon" messages so I think the pre-Christmas rush is starting - probably a wise move given the comments from Nintendo.

I'd imagine that Nintendo don't really care if some folk buy one, play it for a bit and then let it gather dust after a while, as long as they ship their units whilst its getting good word of mouth press. As far as I'm concerned, I use the Wii for co-op playing and keep the serious gaming for my PC. I've managed to resist the 360 so far but now that Halo3 is getting good reviews I might make the jump - especially if Microsoft decide to hammer another nail in the PS3 coffin and drop their prices again.
devdevil85 2nd October 2007, 20:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by johnnyboy700
I've managed to resist the 360 so far but now that Halo3 is getting good reviews I might make the jump
Like Joe Martin has said, the game isn't perfect and deserves an 8/10-9/10. Don't get me wrong, I've played the game myself and the game is great, but it's no Halo 1.
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Originally Posted by johnnyboy700
especially if Microsoft decide to hammer another nail in the PS3 coffin and drop their prices again.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/10/02/details_on_the_new_ps3_sku/1
M3G4 2nd October 2007, 22:17 Quote
I have to agree with what Reggie says, there is nothing new on the Xbox.. I bought mine a while back, along with the original Halo, Saints Row and Dead Rising. Halo was a yawn-fest - yet another generic shoot 'em up - a lot of the xbox games seem to follow a similar path, most of them are shoot 'em ups or a boring derivative in some way or another. Saints Row was just a copy of GTA without the fun bits, and Dead Rising was pretty much innaccessible for everyone apart from those that have a 360 controller surgically attached to themselves (I've heard of computers generating enemies but DR just took the piddle)

My Wii, in its first few hours, has had a lot more game play than my 360 has in months.
themax 2nd October 2007, 22:23 Quote
What do you mean by Dead Rising being innaccessible? It's a game you could beat in a couple hours, but required multiple play throughs to actually get eveything.

Saint's Row; while a GTA clone, is a very good one. If the online would have been cleaned up better I'de still be playing it (Online is very, very laggy half the time. I'm guessing the game is not very good at deciding the optimal host or something, no clue.).

As for Nintendo not meeting demand, they haven't been able to do so since launch. I however think this is a scare tactic to push sales higher going into christmas. Wasn't it Nintendo who told us production would be rampted up for Christmas to meet demand? Now....they are saying they can't? It sounds iffy though, Wii's are hard enough to find as is, so why would they tell us it will change, and then say it won't?
Da Dego 2nd October 2007, 22:37 Quote
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Originally Posted by johnnyboy700
Okay so it may not have a definitve killer game (thats a mtter of presonal choice anyway) but I reckon the barrel of fun you can have just with Wii Sports is worth it in itself. I had mine at a party at the weekend and there was a queue of adults and kids wanting a shot all night. Any of them who didn't have their own were vowing to buy one, whether or not they do remains to be seen.

This was really the selling point to me, I guess. When I got my Wii, I looked at it in the idea of "solo game vs. community game." When you want to play 360 with your buddies, what games are there? LOTS, assuming you sit in your living room and they sit in theirs. That means that if you want ACTUAL social time, you're pretty limited - it can never be an added "pick up a controller and let's play a round!" option. It's one player looking at the screen, whilst the rest stand idly. Interaction, both between that person and the system and that person and his mates, is low.

In the meantime, grab the Wii and a couple extra wiimotes. When the guys come over, everyone has a brew or three and wario-ware, wii sports, or tiger woods golf comes out. People act a little crazy. People have fun. The game system becomes an addition to the party, rather than something that can be done only to the exclusion of it. Interaction between multiple players and the system, as well as they and the people around them (often laughing and poking fun as you throw your invisible bowling ball and whiff to the gutter) increases drastically.

The 360 will NEVER be able to offer that aside from one or two very unusual games - it's just not what they're meant for. Most people just got their first real experience of multi-player-in-the-same-room-on-the-same-screen gaming with Guitar hero, and you needn't look very far to realize why it turned heads and how successful it really was - it took the "sit on your butt alone and hold a controller" image away.

I play my hard-core games on my PC, and I think I always will - FPS on a console (aside from Metroid, where the controls are radically adapted sufficiently to suit without feeling dumbed down) never has been my thing, and I'm not one for locking myself into the same graphical output for 5 years. Not and pay the "new" price for it, anyhow. So while I do think both the PS3 and 360 are good systems, neither one really does something "different" than what I have in a PC - and for just a couple games that really DO differ, I can wait and pick up the system down the line. Of course, YMMV based on need - and I'm sure if I didn't have the PC I do, I might think a little differently.
M3G4 2nd October 2007, 22:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by themax
What do you mean by Dead Rising being innaccessible? It's a game you could beat in a couple hours, but required multiple play throughs to actually get eveything.

Saint's Row; while a GTA clone, is a very good one. If the online would have been cleaned up better I'de still be playing it (Online is very, very laggy half the time. I'm guessing the game is not very good at deciding the optimal host or something, no clue.).

As for Nintendo not meeting demand, they haven't been able to do so since launch. I however think this is a scare tactic to push sales higher going into christmas. Wasn't it Nintendo who told us production would be rampted up for Christmas to meet demand? Now....they are saying they can't? It sounds iffy though, Wii's are hard enough to find as is, so why would they tell us it will change, and then say it won't?

Re: Dead Rising - For you perhaps, but I just can't play it. I'm not very skilled in console gaming, and I have immense trouble getting past the mad people in the car bit between malls. It's stupid.

Saints Row isn't terrible, don't get me wrong, but it's no San Andreas. Now THAT was fun.
CardJoe 2nd October 2007, 23:48 Quote
Dead Rising is the main reason I'm planning to get a 360. A game like that sounds like heaven to me.

As for the Wii, it really is great for social gaming. Me and Hannah had some mates over for the weekend and Saturday night was great. My friend was short on cash so a night on the tiles was off the cards, but a cheap bottle of vodka (£10 for 1.5 Litre?!) and a bottle of coke back at home was great when we started playing some Wii drinking games. Drinking Wario Ware Endurance and Drunken Wii Bowling was awesome.
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