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Take-Two and Thompson at blows again?

Take-Two and Thompson at blows again?

Jack Thompson and Take-Two may be revisiting the courts soon, despite a previous settlement.

Take-Two and Jack Thompson may be readying for battle once again, only a short while after the two enemies signed an agreement which was hoped to have settled their legal bickering once and for all.

The agreement reportedly kept Thompson from being disbarred, provided he no longer filed any public nuisance cases against Take-Two and refrained from contacting companies which Take-Two does business with.

Since then, GamePolitics has reported that Thompson received a letter from Take-Two which warns he may be in breach of the settlement after contacting the Governor and Attorney General of Florida to warn them about "an incredibly violent game called Manhunt 2."

Thompson disputes the claim that he is in breach of the settlement, pointing out that although he agreed to stop filing cases against Take-Two he never agreed to stop contacting members of the US government and that any contract which would attempt such a thing would be in violation of his First Amendment rights and therefore would be un-enforceable.

It's an interesting and somewhat slippery way to get out trouble for ol' JT, but it also seems to be a pretty bullet-proof argument from a legal point of view.

Apparently, Jack Thompson has filed a complaint against Take-Two's attorneys in reply to the letter - which seems more than a little spiteful, if you ask us.

Is all fair in love and arguments about the effects violent games may have on society? Still annoyed Manhunt 2 won't see a release for a while, if at all? Drop us your comments and tell us what you think.

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mmorgue 29th June 2007, 12:47 Quote
I suppose in the ever democratic and free lands of the US of A, you're entitled to speak your mind as per their consititution. But who is Jack Thompson to make judgments for other people?

Parents should ['should' being the key word!] make the judgements for their own kids and people over the age of <whatever constitutes being an adult in whichever US state> should be allowed to decide for themselves on these matters.

It really bothers me to think that various people or groups think they have some moral obligation to 'censor' others from whatever material they [the moralists] deem unfit.

Jack -- just give it a rest. Voice your opinion, fine. But let people make their own decisions. They don't need you trying to get things banned for them. If they don't want it, they won't buy it.
Godboy_g 29th June 2007, 13:11 Quote
As much as I hate the bugger, I can't fault him on this one. He seems to have found a loophole in the agreement he signed. If it did not explicitly say that he could not contact Government officials, then unfortunately there's nothing they can really do. Unless he is defamatory in his letters, they might be able to get him on some sort of defamation charge.

Of course, they could always attempt to have the agreement expanded. Or cancel it altogether, and finally get his ass disbarred.

Then Jack could go and open a hot dog stand with that guy who sued his drycleaner for 64million for losing his pants!


I think they'd make a good couple. ;)
pendragon 29th June 2007, 14:04 Quote
yea, I don't see how he's in breach of the agreement if the only restriction was 'companies that Take-Two does business with' ... unless there's some other legalese in the agreement that we don't know about?
DXR_13KE 29th June 2007, 14:55 Quote
when will this guy quit?
ChromeX 29th June 2007, 15:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
when will this guy quit?

to be honest, I dont think he ever will!
Breach 29th June 2007, 19:42 Quote
Cant blame Take Two for being spiteful, cant imagine how much BS they had to go through on a count of this complete jackass.
completemadness 30th June 2007, 04:02 Quote
they cut him some slack and now he does this

bah, they should have just got rid of the guy when they had the chance, hes an ass, the game isn't even going to hit the shelves and hes bashing it

gtfo jack, crawl back in your hole (which he seemed to disappear into for the last few months, ahh peaceful times)
2JSC 30th June 2007, 06:03 Quote
Jack Thompson needs to be shot... sorry but I just hate him.
Tyinsar 30th June 2007, 07:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by 2JSC
Jack Thompson needs to be shot... sorry but I just hate him.
Comments like that just reinforce his arguments.
DougEdey 30th June 2007, 09:42 Quote
To all the people that are moaning about Jack Thomspon, do you even understand what his campaign is for?
completemadness 30th June 2007, 18:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
To all the people that are moaning about Jack Thomspon, do you even understand what his campaign is for?
correct me if I'm wrong

but his campaign is to remove violence from video games / remove violent video games

either way he is trying to stop people from playing violent video games because people under the age rating may get hold of them

however, as has been discussed i don't know how many times, it is the parents responsibility to do this
The rest of us shouldn't have to lose our violent (and fun) games because some kids might get hold of them
DougEdey 30th June 2007, 18:45 Quote
No. That's a common misconception because of his attitude and bad reporting. What he wants is for a legally enforced rating system like we have in the UK. Games which are rated 15 or 18 over here cannot by law be sold to anyone under that age, the retailer faces prosecution if caught. In the US at the moment it's a voluntary system and shop keepers are obviously going to want to make as much money as humanly possible.
DXR_13KE 30th June 2007, 20:13 Quote
the great problem is the way he does that, saying that people that play violent games will become rapists and mass murderers.
completemadness 30th June 2007, 20:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
No. That's a common misconception because of his attitude and bad reporting. What he wants is for a legally enforced rating system like we have in the UK. Games which are rated 15 or 18 over here cannot by law be sold to anyone under that age, the retailer faces prosecution if caught. In the US at the moment it's a voluntary system and shop keepers are obviously going to want to make as much money as humanly possible.
over here ESRB rated games are not legally enforcable, only the BBFC games can be legally enforced, I thought the americans had a similar system ?

and even then its not like its worth while because even in the UK parents just buy games for their kids without any knollege and completly ignoring the rating anyway
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
the great problem is the way he does that, saying that people that play violent games will become rapists and mass murderers.
That is very true
DougEdey 30th June 2007, 20:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by completemadness
over here ESRB rated games are not legally enforcable, only the BBFC games can be legally enforced,

That's why I said 15 or 18 rated games, BBFC only affects 15 or 18 games.
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Originally Posted by completemadness
I thought the americans had a similar system ?

No, they have a voluntary only system, as I said.
completemadness 1st July 2007, 03:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
That's why I said 15 or 18 rated games, BBFC only affects 15 or 18 games.
And they only effect games rated by the BBFC, not all 15/18's are BBFC rated
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
No, they have a voluntary only system, as I said.
Oh right

But as i said its not like an involuntary system works either because even in Britain where they are enforceable, parents will just buy the game without knowledge anyway, or of course you can order off the Internet and fake your age anyway
DougEdey 1st July 2007, 06:29 Quote
No, but it does limit them, and if Social Services do have the right if so required to use it against parents to remove a child from their custody.

Also, the PEGI ratings in the UK are labelled as 16+ and 18+, PEGI is also carried out by the coder, games which are found to be marked 16+ or 18+ (even some marked 12+) are automatically rated by the BBFC as well.

Spot checks are made by the BBFC on developers as well.
Mosey 1st July 2007, 09:50 Quote
Well, either i have been reading some particularly jarred accounts about JT or i am missing the point but i have never read an article whereby he has been trying to legally enforce the rating system. This could be due to the fact that i have only ever read articles from the gamer's point of view so the neutrality of the article may be disputed.

I'm pretty certain that his original policy was claiming that violent FPS games were being used as murder simulators and attributing several violent games to gun cases and murders in America. A key quote of his: “Murder simulators are not constitutionally protected speech. They’re not even speech. They’re dangerous physical appliances that teach a kid how to kill efficiently and to love it,”

I also remember reading several bits where he claimed that on the Sims2; a cheat where you can remove the shower when kids were in it (something like that) ,was being utilized by paedophiles to practice their molesting methods. There are tonnes of funny/useless/irritating information like this about JT, which highlights to me that things have become personal between R* and Take-Two and that he will perpetually argue with them to prevent the release of the games or to delay them.
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