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30 Percent Failure Rate for the 360

30 Percent Failure Rate for the 360

The new heatsink may have improved reliability a bit, but the 360 still has a bad reputation among retailers and users.

Apparently, Microsoft is still letting customers down on the reliability of the Xbox 360, despite the addition of a new heatsink to repaired consoles to help cope with heating issues. The Elite has recently been spotted with an epoxied CPU and GPU as well, so it looks like Microsoft is still actively trying to address the dreaded 'red ring of death' problem which has been plaguing the console throughout its existence. Incidentally, we've had two die in the office already from the same problem.

A manager at an Australian EB Games store recently spoke up about the issue, though he/she wisely chose to remain anonymous in an attempt to avoid The Eye of Gates;

"We are definitely getting faulty hardware returns of the Xbox 360, but nowhere near as much as we used to when it first came out," he/she said. "On initial launch, it was close to 30 per cent of our 360s were coming back faulty".

Another Sydney-based retailer gave a similar report;

"Out of the Nintendo Wii, the PS3 and the Xbox 360, the Microsoft product is the only one that we have had constant problems with. In fact when we sell the Xbox 360 we tell customers to contact Microsoft if they "Ever have a problem".

"At one stage we were getting calls everyday however this has slowed down. The failure rate must be well over 30 percent which when you look at a PC or iPod the failure rate is less than 2 percent."


No doubt the new heatsink which has secretly added to repaired console is doubtlessly behind the drop in repairs as the Xbox 360 was notoriously prone to heating issues and gamers had been driven to all sorts of methods in order to solve the problem.

Ever had a problem with your 360? Let us know about it in the forums, which are delightfully fan-boy free!

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DougEdey 26th June 2007, 10:54 Quote
Send it to Scotland if it's out of warranty. Guaranteed repair and a lot cheaper then MS
DXR_13KE 26th June 2007, 11:13 Quote
is it that difficult to create an efficient cooling system for this console?
Bindibadgi 26th June 2007, 11:14 Quote
They should ask us :D
Bursar 26th June 2007, 11:15 Quote
My second one broke not so long back, and I'm just waiting to send it off to MS again.

And that Scottish company may be a bit cheaper (£50 vs £70) but I'd rather send my console to MS and have them give me a new 12 month warranty with it, rather than the 6 months you get from GT.
SNIPERMikeUK 26th June 2007, 11:41 Quote
But this was an optical problem (Just 3 months from new my premium's laser went, Game replaced it no problems), the console throws out enough heat to heat a room to cosy....Microsoft should maybe look into a case for these things with a zalman contract or something, (and who knows chuck in a keyboard and a mouse)....lol

I am not a sony fanboy b4 anyone starts on me.....(PC, 360, DS Lite)
TheDean 26th June 2007, 12:00 Quote
I have to say I am not a happy bunny. My 360 (bought March '07) has scratched my Gears of War DVD so badly it can no longer read it and MS want me to pay £10 for their 'Disk replacement programme'

Not happy at all... :(
JonDixon 26th June 2007, 12:46 Quote
Forgetting the lets make it news worthy headline. When the two quotes in the article both state this was when released and both have seen a drop in returns. The heading hints at a level of 'recentcy'.

To fight the other side though and having cracked my 360 open, its understandable in terms of design why some fail. I'll assume that when developing it, they don't have a living room mockup to trial test units instead they're probably working in a air conditioned temperature controlled room. Living rooms are'nt normally like that (certainly not in the UK). I'm not an expert but the original heatsink does seem a little inadequate. Also having only 2 fans on the rear blowing hot air out with a very flimsy shroud does'nt seem to do the job. The whole unit gets quite hot even outside the shroud. It could really do with a fan to suck in cold air, but the problem is placement.

The front is solid and the slots for memory cards and power button. The bottom or one of the sides cant be used if you have it vertical and MS dont know which way you'll have it. The back is already full.

Basically leaves the horizontal top as the vertical top has the HDD mounted. If they used the horizontal top:

1) having a fan mounted wouldnt look all nice.
2) Only location would be front right off centred to any main components so I'm not sure it would provide any benefit.

As I type and think of a solution. My only thought is MS would have been better converting one of the fans to suck in cold air, have this enter a shroud which pushed cold air round the system through the heatsink and used the second top fan to blow the heated air out.

As hot air rises and if they could just separate the fans by 1/2cm or more this might work. I feel confident this would remove some of the ambient heat that builds up in the system.
kempez 26th June 2007, 13:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by TheDean
I have to say I am not a happy bunny. My 360 (bought March '07) has scratched my Gears of War DVD so badly it can no longer read it and MS want me to pay £10 for their 'Disk replacement programme'

Not happy at all... :(

How did it get scratched? Did you move the console with it in?

Mine died and I got a replacement which (touch wood) is fine now
./^\.Ace./^\. 26th June 2007, 13:57 Quote
It is easy to see that there is no room inside the 360's case for any effective cooling system to fit :( But if they used a smaller optical drive like closer to a laptop's then they just might get the room they need to fit a proper sized heatsink :)
cereal_killer 26th June 2007, 14:49 Quote
Had a friend living in the states who's launch 360 bricked after just under 14 months. After rmaing over the course of close to 3 months he went through 4 xbox 360's with life spans of 30 mins to an hour each. After a phone a convo with rep the person let slip that ms is just repackaging rma'd 360's and putting them in new cases and sending them back out.
mmorgue 26th June 2007, 15:19 Quote
Yep, picked up a 360 last October (2006). Died this year in Feb -- 3 ring Circle of Death. As nice and fast as the service was when I sent it to M$, I got one back that was dated April 2006 as year of manufacture. Nice. Warrenty still applies to the refurbed one, but as a gadet sort of person, who likes them shiney and new and smelling of fresh plastic, getting an older machine back rather than your own replaced is a bit of a downer. :(
bloodcar 26th June 2007, 16:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by mmorgue
Yep, picked up a 360 last October (2006). Died this year in Feb -- 3 ring Circle of Death. As nice and fast as the service was when I sent it to M$, I got one back that was dated April 2006 as year of manufacture. Nice. Warrenty still applies to the refurbed one, but as a gadet sort of person, who likes them shiney and new and smelling of fresh plastic, getting an older machine back rather than your own replaced is a bit of a downer. :(
You could have requested that they ship your console back to you, but it would have taken a considerable amount longer.

I've had mine since January or early February of last year and haven't had any major problems with mine. I've had the ocassional lockup (happened A LOT while playing Oblivion) and I've had red lights flashed at me (which went away after a reset) but no scratched discs or red ring of death. I think that 30% is way too high then the real amount as you're going to hear a lot more from the people who have had failures then from people who haven't had any at all. Too bad only Microsoft knows the exact numbers and they won't release them.
tuteja1986 26th June 2007, 16:22 Quote
This all could have been avoided if Microsoft would have let arctic cooling to do the design of 360 cooling system. The amount of money wasted they could have spent it on $10 extra better cooling and $10 extra on silent DVD drive.

PS3 cooling system design by Asus was done professionally.
devdevil85 26th June 2007, 17:36 Quote
Yeah, my friend's 360 continues to show the red color (not the whole ring thankfully) and it says to "contact Microsoft Technical Support" and it is doing it more and more whenever we try turning it on, but luckily it continues to work after we try turning it on again, but that still ain't good. Our Guitar Hero II saves better not get erased or I'll be so p***ed.
Cavedweller 26th June 2007, 18:55 Quote
I work in retail, and can confirm that the failure rate of 360's is way higher than anything else we sell. I got 50% returned during this x-mas season.

All the while, not a single Wii or PS3 has been returned.

Givin how MS' treats RMA on both consumer and retailer side, I personally would _never_ buy a 360. Never. Whenever a 360 is returned to me, i have to spend 1 hour with MS support, only to be told it is my custumers (spellcheck...) fault. What the hell kind of an answer is that?
I've been pissed at MS more than once, and if I had any saying in this matter (sadly i don't...) I would'nt sell any 360's. None at all. The costs of repairs and hours is more than we make, selling the bloody thing.

I own a PS3 and don't feel it is too expensive in any way.
I _would_ own a 360, givin my position, if i felt it would have been even the slightest more reliable.

Sorry for my bad english... Not being english does that to you...
Neogumbercules 26th June 2007, 18:56 Quote
My 360 has been fine so far but it still sounds like a mack truck when I have oblivion in the drive. It has frozen up on me before. My friend's 360 gives him the red rings.
alpha_prime 26th June 2007, 20:52 Quote
Well, i went extreme and watercooled mine B) Though, that's the reason i bought a 360, to mod and play prey and other games that my pc couldn't handle :) .

Yeah, it ain't weird they die so quickly. A lot of there problems would be gone if they'd used normal solder instead of the lead-less crap. Plus i also think they should've invested a bit more and added a slim dvd drive. They might do that later on. The big problem to me is the gpu heatsink, it's just so goddamn tiny.

Ms should give every 360 owner 250 bucks credit to buy wc stuff at newegg :D
themax 26th June 2007, 20:55 Quote
I recently replaced my 360 but not because of any defects (the thing fried when it shorted out due to my apartment's bad electrical wiring). But the thing was having problems. I would be playing Oblivion and then the console would suddenly tell me I have no disc in the drive which was annoying as hell because I'de lose any progress up to that point. My sister's 360 Red Halo'd right out of the box. The very first time it was turned on it wasn't working, which to be honest was pretty sad. A friend of mine is on his 2nd 360, another who has purchased an Elite, is due to exchange it (it freezes alot) for a new one.

And off-topic a I am also on PS3 #2. The thing had a 50/50 chance of turning on (it would turn on and then beep at me 3 times before going back into standby). Although I do have to give it cudo's, when I did get it turned on, I left it on for an entire week (I kid you not) and the thing didn't crash once, didn't over heat, and when I felt the back it wasn't hot at all.
docodine 26th June 2007, 21:07 Quote
I'm on Wii #1 since December, and the only problem was one lockup during Need for Speed: Carbon.

Only one of my friends Xbox 360s are still working, two of them got the red halo. And PS3s... only one friend has that, and his fails to start 1/2 of the time. I'm glad that I got a Wii. :P
completemadness 26th June 2007, 21:19 Quote
why glue on the heatsink ?

why cant they bolt it down, like just about every other high heat cooler does ?
alpha_prime 26th June 2007, 21:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by completemadness
why glue on the heatsink ?

why cant they bolt it down, like just about every other high heat cooler does ?

It actually has 'clamps'. They add glue to the cpu and gpu to stop them from cracking the solder underneath. The problem seems to be the gpu/cpu getting to hot, melting the solder underneath. That causes them to have loose connections. Most people screw the heatsinks on with m5 nuts&bolts. that way, the gpu/cpu can't come loose.
devdevil85 26th June 2007, 21:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by alpha_prime
Ms should give every 360 owner 250 bucks credit to buy wc stuff at newegg :D
How could MS give out ANY money, especially since they haven't turned a profit on the Xbox since its existence?

Secondly, just like any company that makes a product, they will continue to do the least possible in being able to ensure the 360 works at the time of purchase and through the 1-year warranty, but after that warranty is up...better buy some aftermarket cooling kit....and I mean soon! It's probably the same with the PS3, but at the same time, from what I've heard (and haven't heard): not too many PS3's have been returned due to overheating issues so that shows a lot for Sony and how they manufactured their console.
docodine 26th June 2007, 21:48 Quote
Xbox hasn't gotten Microsoft any money at all? Where are you getting this information?... I see no reason why a company would sell something not at a profit, unless if Microsoft is hellbent on keeping its price (with a HD-DVD drive) around the same as a PS3.
DXR_13KE 26th June 2007, 22:13 Quote
the PS3 has a mammoth cooler.

the X360 gpu/cpu gets so hot it melts the solder? that is insane!!!!

[hint]microsoft talk to <insert good cpu/gpu cooler company here> to make an easy replacement for your crappy cooler[/hint]

forgot to add, MS are in fact selling the console at a profit as are Nintendo, the only one that are not profiting is Sony.
flabber 27th June 2007, 07:38 Quote
As far as I can tell from news in Holland;
- PS3 had problems befóre the launch, but fixed nearly all of them. Although the price is higer then the other consoles, most of them actually seem to work quite well. Imho, it's more worth to buy a PS3 then a 360, even if it's just for the Bluray and small amount of actuall hardwareproblems at the moment.
- 360 didn't have a whole lot of problems before launch, but a lot of bugs and malfunctions were discovered after launch. Scratching DVD's, "extremely" loud, running too hot, hackilicious, circle of death are just some of the problems that haunt this console right now. Price is medium/expensive, and in my opinion certainly not worth it if ±30% fails to run like it should.
- Wii's are actually the only ones who hardly had any problems at all. On rare ocassionit a few of them might have a little problem, but all in all, this is by far the most solid console at the moment.

From what I can see, the consoleworld is in a pretty bad shape compared to most of the previous console-releases. Things are either malfunctioning or too expensive, except the Wii (which I happen to have, hehe). I really enjoy my Wii, but I can't believe that the other 2 are so busy breaking eachother's neck that they can't seem to make a solid console :(
CardJoe 27th June 2007, 09:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by docodine
Xbox hasn't gotten Microsoft any money at all? Where are you getting this information?... I see no reason why a company would sell something not at a profit, unless if Microsoft is hellbent on keeping its price (with a HD-DVD drive) around the same as a PS3.

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/05/04/Xbox_will_make_profit_next_year/1

Bear in mind though that I don't think Sony is profiting on the PS2 just yet though either. Console companies make consoles to make money from games, not consoles. It's like selling cars in order to profit from petrol sales.

Brett touched on this in his last column;

http://www.bit-tech.net/columns/2007/06/20/of_spiders_and_flies/1
completemadness 27th June 2007, 18:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
Bear in mind though that I don't think Sony is profiting on the PS2 just yet though either. Console companies make consoles to make money from games, not consoles. It's like selling cars in order to profit from petrol sales.
ps3 ;)

and most of the time they sell consoles at a loss to get them into peoples houses, it may look like a better deal compared to a PC, but thats because each one can be subsidised by like £100
But then they should (theoretically) make their money back with sales of games (which are usually £10-20 more expensive then the PC counterpart)

Though with a 30% failure rate, it seems hard to believe that the 360 is going to become profitable so soon
Lucidity 28th June 2007, 14:27 Quote
Well I work retail and can confirm that there is no way in hell that it is close to 30%. In all actuality our highest returned item of the past fiscal year was the Ipod. The 360 was at 17%. Which is not good, but not horrible. I have had my 360 since day one, and never had a single problem. It has been on various trips through airport security and on the road, yet it still works. I attribute this to the fact that I keep it horizontal, and my entertainment cabinet lets it breathe. Also I added a few mm larger rubber feet so air can flow beneath the console as well.
Lucidity 28th June 2007, 14:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by docodine
I'm on Wii #1 since December, and the only problem was one lockup during Need for Speed: Carbon.

Only one of my friends Xbox 360s are still working, two of them got the red halo. And PS3s... only one friend has that, and his fails to start 1/2 of the time. I'm glad that I got a Wii. :P


I do hope you realize that a Wii is just a Gamecube that has been repackaged with a new controller.
CardJoe 28th June 2007, 14:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lucidity
I do hope you realize that a Wii is just a Gamecube that has been repackaged with a new controller.

I do hope you realise that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 will never be as good or multi-functional as a decent PC :P
DougEdey 28th June 2007, 14:57 Quote
PS3 is as multifunctional as the PC joe, it supports linux.
CardJoe 28th June 2007, 15:07 Quote
Yeah, but it's not as good as a paperweight. PCs are much heavier on average.
Lucidity 28th June 2007, 15:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
I do hope you realise that the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 will never be as good or multi-functional as a decent PC :P

You're missing the point completely. The PS3 and 360 are completely new units, where as the Gamecube/Wii is not. When making new hardware problems are bound to occur. Not to mention how much more complex the 360 and PS3 are in comparison. BTW just let me know where you can get a PC that plays games like Gears of War and the Darkness and will only set you back 400 dollars.
DougEdey 28th June 2007, 15:36 Quote
That sentence made no sense
CardJoe 28th June 2007, 16:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lucidity
just let me know where you can get a PC that plays games like Gears of War and the Darkness and will only set you back 400 dollars.

Ebay. Plus, you can recoup the money you spend in savings from not paying 100 quid for two games and being able to use the PC for a whole load of other things which you can earn money through, like selling things on Ebay.

Kind of circular, innit.
DougEdey 28th June 2007, 16:21 Quote
£100 for two games?

Dunno where you shop Joe... Most brand new 360 games are sold at £39.99, but if you shop around you can get them for £35 new. I paid £18 for a new copy of GoW
CardJoe 28th June 2007, 16:29 Quote
eek, meant dollars. Still, 80 quid for two brand new games ins't cheap by anyones standards and, while GOW for 18 is very enticing, I wouldn't say thats a good price by a long way considering it's last years news.

Anyway, the point is that all console games are over expensive. People just seem to be used to it now, which is sad.
DougEdey 28th June 2007, 16:37 Quote
All PC hardware is very expensive if you want to run the latest games.

I prefer ease of use over cost when I normally wait a couple of weeks and buy the games secondhand or for <£30, PC gaming is preventing that with distribution like Steam and things like Starforce just piss me off.
CardJoe 28th June 2007, 16:52 Quote
Starforce is barely used anymore to my knowledge. Too much bad press.

Personally, I prefer customability and decent interface over everything else and I find that games designed for PC offer more content and more mature themes and storylines, as well as offering a better experience and more mods etc. You don't get mods for console games, and when you do you have to buy them via XBL.

Don't get me wrong, I love consoles, but I'll choose a PC if I need a single system. Each to their own though.
DougEdey 28th June 2007, 16:55 Quote
Decent interface? Half of the interface on a PC is taken up by options to try and give you the "Best experience for your system", you'll spend the first few hours tweaking settings then finally play before you realise that a driver is causing instability and then have to reinstall software.

I like the "Pop it in the drive and play" don't install to hard drive, apart from saving, don't fiddle with AA this and AS that, just jump in and play.

Yes the PC has some advantages, but I strongly believe that the PS3 with a keyboard and mouse has taken that crown away now.
Lucidity 28th June 2007, 17:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by CardJoe
Ebay. Plus, you can recoup the money you spend in savings from not paying 100 quid for two games and being able to use the PC for a whole load of other things which you can earn money through, like selling things on Ebay.

Kind of circular, innit.

LOL! You can't find a rig that will play either of those games at 1920 x 1080i or 720p for 400 dollars. In the US PC games are almost the same ammount of money as new releases 50 vs 60, although quite a few games for the consoles are selling at the 50 dollar price point the first week now.
completemadness 28th June 2007, 19:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by Lucidity
LOL! You can't find a rig that will play either of those games at 1920 x 1080i or 720p for 400 dollars. In the US PC games are almost the same ammount of money as new releases 50 vs 60, although quite a few games for the consoles are selling at the 50 dollar price point the first week now.
hmmm lets see, if you buy a PC of equal power to a console, then your looking at like a £300 rig or something

spend a bit more and you start to pwn the console, also don't forget that MS/Sony/ninty partially subsidise their consoles, so they are actually about another £100 or so
Secondly, games on consoles are £40-50
Games on PC's are £30 when new, usually dropping to £20 and you can for eg pick up doom3 now for £10

also i think only the PS3 is natively doing 1080i, i believe the 360 is up scaling (correct me if I'm wrong though), oh and don't forget how hideously expensive a 1080i screen is, not that a 20" pc screen is much better (but has a better resolution)

Also you cant even customise the interface on the console, and they are forever updating them to break anything custom, because you obviously shouldn't be allowed to do what you want with your own console

i would also take a PC any day over a console, the games are a lot better and £10-20 cheaper on average, plus it does loads more, and there are plenty of free games, and you can do what you want with it, plus keyboard & mouse > controller for all games (except racing but then you need a steering wheel which you can get for pc, and you can even use a controller on your pc if you really want)
devdevil85 29th June 2007, 20:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by completemadness
also i think only the PS3 is natively doing 1080i, i believe the 360 is up scaling (correct me if I'm wrong though), oh and don't forget how hideously expensive a 1080i screen is, not that a 20" pc screen is much better (but has a better resolution)

Also you cant even customise the interface on the console, and they are forever updating them to break anything custom, because you obviously shouldn't be allowed to do what you want with your own console

i would also take a PC any day over a console, the games are a lot better and £10-20 cheaper on average, plus it does loads more, and there are plenty of free games, and you can do what you want with it, plus keyboard & mouse > controller for all games (except racing but then you need a steering wheel which you can get for pc, and you can even use a controller on your pc if you really want)
The PS3 does 1080p natively while the 360 has specific titles that allow for it depending on the size of the game. Both consoles do 1080i natively, but again it depends on the game. Both console WILL do 720p. A 1080p TV IS expensive, but it's not hideously expensive. You can grab a used JVC LT-40FH97 40INCH LCD HDTV with Full 1080p off PriceGrabber for close to $1100. Not too shabby considering my family spent $2,000 on our Projector setup 1 year ago when 720p was 'the thing'.

As for the customization of consoles, both the PS3 and the 360 allow for you to change your background pictures, certaint text and also colors which is pretty much the same thing you can do on the PC, but why does it matter? You aren't USING a desktop, you should be playing games for crying outloud.

I agree with you on the buying a PC over a console. You WILL get the most out of your PC as of day one on the games you pay full price for and the games will drop in price a whole lot faster than console versions due to there not being as much licensing fees and all that bullcrap you have with consoles because we all know that both Sony and Microsoft have to make profit through software and peripherals, so that's why the prices drop quicker on the PC side, but now with this "Games for Windows" push coming out, PC games may stay expensive for a little while longer.

Anyways, that's my 2 cents.
Lucidity 29th June 2007, 21:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by completemadness
hmmm lets see, if you buy a PC of equal power to a console, then your looking at like a £300 rig or something

spend a bit more and you start to pwn the console, also don't forget that MS/Sony/ninty partially subsidise their consoles, so they are actually about another £100 or so
Secondly, games on consoles are £40-50
Games on PC's are £30 when new, usually dropping to £20 and you can for eg pick up doom3 now for £10

also i think only the PS3 is natively doing 1080i, i believe the 360 is up scaling (correct me if I'm wrong though), oh and don't forget how hideously expensive a 1080i screen is, not that a 20" pc screen is much better (but has a better resolution)

Also you cant even customise the interface on the console, and they are forever updating them to break anything custom, because you obviously shouldn't be allowed to do what you want with your own console

i would also take a PC any day over a console, the games are a lot better and £10-20 cheaper on average, plus it does loads more, and there are plenty of free games, and you can do what you want with it, plus keyboard & mouse > controller for all games (except racing but then you need a steering wheel which you can get for pc, and you can even use a controller on your pc if you really want)

I didn't know they made tri core 3.2 64 bit processors.... FYI the 360 has a max capability of 9.6 GHZ, with 512mb of XGDDR3. You can't get either of those for the price of the actual console.
The_Beast 29th June 2007, 22:04 Quote
holy crap that is alot
Amon 1st July 2007, 06:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
Decent interface? Half of the interface on a PC is taken up by options to try and give you the "Best experience for your system", you'll spend the first few hours tweaking settings then finally play before you realise that a driver is causing instability and then have to reinstall software.

I like the "Pop it in the drive and play" don't install to hard drive, apart from saving, don't fiddle with AA this and AS that, just jump in and play.

Yes the PC has some advantages, but I strongly believe that the PS3 with a keyboard and mouse has taken that crown away now.
That was the original intent for DirectX 10, according to the 2002 issue of Maximum PC I have.
completemadness 1st July 2007, 15:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by devdevil85
The PS3 does 1080p natively while the 360 has specific titles that allow for it depending on the size of the game. Both consoles do 1080i natively, but again it depends on the game. Both console WILL do 720p. A 1080p TV IS expensive, but it's not hideously expensive. You can grab a used JVC LT-40FH97 40INCH LCD HDTV with Full 1080p off PriceGrabber for close to $1100. Not too shabby considering my family spent $2,000 on our Projector setup 1 year ago when 720p was 'the thing'.
Thanks for the info :)
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Originally Posted by devdevil85
As for the customization of consoles, both the PS3 and the 360 allow for you to change your background pictures, certaint text and also colors which is pretty much the same thing you can do on the PC, but why does it matter? You aren't USING a desktop, you should be playing games for crying outloud.
You can do a lot more then that on a PC, and i don't know about you, but i don't play games 24/7, i don't even like to, and there are lots of things you can do on PC (like surf the Internet, read the news, chat with your friends, etc etc)
benjamyn 1st July 2007, 15:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
Decent interface? Half of the interface on a PC is taken up by options to try and give you the "Best experience for your system", you'll spend the first few hours tweaking settings then finally play before you realise that a driver is causing instability and then have to reinstall software.

I like the "Pop it in the drive and play" don't install to hard drive, apart from saving, don't fiddle with AA this and AS that, just jump in and play.

Yes the PC has some advantages, but I strongly believe that the PS3 with a keyboard and mouse has taken that crown away now.

I think PS3 is far far far away from "taking the crown" and almost definitely never will.
For starters PC games have user-created mods and such.
You only have to muck about with all the settings if you want to get the very best graphics/display out of the game, otherwise usually its just a quick install (Depending on your system and which game) then play!

I do prefer gaming on a console, but as far as FPS games go, PC will ALWAYS be king.
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