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Manhunt 2 distribution suspended

Manhunt 2 distribution suspended

Manhunt 2 distribution has been suspended by Take-Two due to problems with ratings and bans.

First the BBFC bans it in the UK, then the ESRB issued it its highest rating possible, and then the Irish ban the game too.

To cap it all off, Nintendo and Sony both ban the game from appearing on the PlayStation 2 and the Wii.

That must have been a tough day in the Take-Two offices and, as the developer struggled to find a way to get the game out there onto shelves, the following decision was slowly made for it.

Take-Two has officially announced it is suspending plans to distribute Manhunt 2 for any platform due to International pressure and the lack of an accepting platform.

Talking to Gamespot, Take-Two gave the following statement;

"Take-Two Interactive Software has temporarily suspended plans to distribute Manhunt 2 for the Wii or PlayStation platforms while it reviews its options with regard to the recent decisions made by the British Board of Film Classification and Entertainment Software Rating Board," a representative told GameSpot. "We continue to stand behind this extraordinary game. We believe in freedom of creative expression, as well as responsible marketing, both of which are essential to our business of making great entertainment."

So, that seems to be that for a while at least as, if the game is to be resubmitted for rating, then it will most likely need a substantial change of tone and content and, if the game is to be recoded for the PC or 360, then it will possibly be a fairly substantial delay.

Is this a tragic silencing of free speech, or proof that the censorship system works in attempts to protect the public? Do we need protecting? Get to the forums, where political manifestos and smack-talk are already mixing together.

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Buzzons 22nd June 2007, 13:31 Quote
"if the game is to be recoded for the PC or 360, then it will need to be re-coded."

?
Hugo 22nd June 2007, 13:58 Quote
Well it's true isn't it ;)

1 Vote for "over-zealous censorship boards"
inflatable 22nd June 2007, 14:08 Quote
I'm against outright banning in this case, but they could expect the rating.. If that's a problem, simply make a less violent sadistic game.. It's as easy as that..
mmorgue 22nd June 2007, 14:21 Quote
I'm all for ratings and ensuring kids dont have access to content their parents deem unfit for them (hence the ratings system).

But a big F**K YOU to the BBFC and all those people that are telling me I'm not able to judge for myself whether I want to play it or not! I'm in my 30's and have been playing violent games since Infernal Runner and have yet to have my mind irrepairably warped!

Hmm -- couldn't Take-Two do a "Steam" sort of distribution? Pay online and download it to your PC? (PC version, ofc!). I know many ppl hate Steam, but at least it means Take-Two get the profits directly and we get the game...
C-Sniper 22nd June 2007, 14:31 Quote
i know! just re-skin everyone as a terrorist and they will drop the rating to an E!
DougEdey 22nd June 2007, 14:31 Quote
Obviously if you can't control your temper then you may need some help.
mmorgue 22nd June 2007, 14:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
Obviously if you can't control your temper then you may need some help.

Vash-HT 22nd June 2007, 16:53 Quote
I'm not sure if I'm against this or not, obviously there is a point where games stop being art and become sick and twisted. I don't really mind violence at all, but a game like this, where it seems like the developers have some kind of wierd fetish for mutilating people kind of scares me. I mean do they just sit there and imagine different ways they can cut people up or kill them. I don't think anyone who plays it will be affected too much unless they are really young or very impressionable, but I still have to wonder about someone who makes games like this.
Redbeaver 22nd June 2007, 17:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by C-Sniper
i know! just re-skin everyone as a terrorist and they will drop the rating to an E!

hehehe

i also would suggest if the international world is against you, then just tweak the game. its much easier than recoding the whole thing to PC or something...

that way u dont waste the whole development and all the man-hours uve invested in this game...

but if u keep insisting that your ideas of butchering people in as many ways as possible CANNOT be toned-down to accomodate the international view of such subject...

then, im sorry. understand how we see it and we'll understand how you see it.
DXR_13KE 22nd June 2007, 17:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by C-Sniper
i know! just re-skin everyone as a terrorist and they will drop the rating to an E!

PERFECT!!!!! :D
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Originally Posted by Vash-HT
I'm not sure if I'm against this or not, obviously there is a point where games stop being art and become sick and twisted. I don't really mind violence at all, but a game like this, where it seems like the developers have some kind of wierd fetish for mutilating people kind of scares me. I mean do they just sit there and imagine different ways they can cut people up or kill them. I don't think anyone who plays it will be affected too much unless they are really young or very impressionable, but I still have to wonder about someone who makes games like this.

most of the deaths are seen on lots of movies and documentaries.


as for this, i have another BIG F*** YOU for the BBFC and all the others that banned it....... i was waiting for this game..... yes i am a sadistic person and i make snuff films while i sodomize little cute animals >:( ..... NOT!!!
Amon 22nd June 2007, 17:20 Quote
Let's hope Microsoft picks up on this game for the Xbox as last resort. I should mention that Manhunt 2 for the Wii is being developed by Rockstar Toronto (which is untypical of Canadians). However, since the game's on pause right now, they're probably on the company patio right now, lighting up (which is typical).

How should I say... "fabriqué au Canada?"
SNIPERMikeUK 22nd June 2007, 17:33 Quote
I remember some years ago, when turok was banned from sale in GAME stores, unless they made the blood green, rather than the good old fashioned red.

Maybe Rockstar could be onto a winner with this idea.....But I have my doubts.
cyrilthefish 22nd June 2007, 17:55 Quote
change it to zombies! Worked for carmageddon ;)

But seriously, don't ban the game, just slap a big fat 18 sticker and maybe a few extra warnings on it and be done with it.

Censorship = bad, no matter what the reason
[stuart] 22nd June 2007, 17:56 Quote
What pisses me off the most is that a ratings board full of prudes are telling me what I can and can't play. Yes, ratings are designed to stop kiddies from playing the game and retailers and parents should follow them, but a select group of people telling me what I can and can't do? Get ****ed. I'm an adult, I can make my own decisions.

I want to play this game the way Rockstar designed it, full of gore and sick, twisted violence, not some watered down garbage where rainbows come out of wounds.
DXR_13KE 22nd June 2007, 18:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by [stuart]
rainbows come out of wounds.

that is to sick even for me.
oasked 22nd June 2007, 19:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by [stuart]
What pisses me off the most is that a ratings board full of prudes are telling me what I can and can't play.

The BBFC haven't banned a game since 1997 in the UK. To be banned this game has to be pretty twisted. Maybe, just maybe they have a point here?
Spacecowboy92 22nd June 2007, 20:55 Quote
Manhunt 2 [ps2] is still up for preorder on play.com
Tyinsar 22nd June 2007, 22:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by cyrilthefish
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Censorship = bad, no matter what the reason
BULL___!

Are you suggesting that kiddy porn is ok?
What about propaganda saying everyone from group X should be killed?
What about me spamming the internet making false claims about you personally?

Sometimes society has to say that it's NOT OK to say or portray whatever you want.
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Originally Posted by oasked
The BBFC haven't banned a game since 1997 in the UK. To be banned this game has to be pretty twisted. Maybe, just maybe they have a point here?
Quoted for truth
themax 22nd June 2007, 22:46 Quote
They should have banned the first one. They didn't. Now all of a sudden this is shocking media that needs to be kept from public view? Sorry, I don't buy it. I could see if they blocked the release of Hostle 1 and 2, SAW 1-3, and other violent displays in effort to curb such media, but they haven't. Atleast not to my knowledge. So I fail to see any gain from them putting their foot down on Manhunt 2.
Kenny_McCormick 22nd June 2007, 23:27 Quote
Rates are there for something. Parents, and also the stores, should control wich games their children play.
Some psychologists have done studies and said that violence in movies are worst than in games for teenagers. Those who plays game have more human reactions to images of real violence and murders.
Wolfe 23rd June 2007, 00:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tyinsar
BULL___!

Are you suggesting that kiddy porn is ok?
What about propaganda saying everyone from group X should be killed?
What about me spamming the internet making false claims about you personally?

Kiddy pron isn't censored. It's illegal in order to stop people from making it (to protect the kiddies).
Currently, drawn kiddy pron is still legal (mostly, this could change), because there is no one who needs protecting.

As for propaganda and spamming the internet...

Uh... Have you been on the internet, ever? Neither is currently censored, nor should it be.

The deal with censorship, is that once you censor the statements of someone you don't like, (say, neo-nazi's), your legally obligated to censor the statements of people you do like (say, the green party) simply because there is no provision in the law that takes the public acceptance of what you are trying to censor into account.

IOW, you either have to censor everything, or nothing, and it's a slippery slope to totalitarianism.

Censorship is bad, mmmmkay?
Aankhen 23rd June 2007, 03:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by [stuart]
I want to play this game the way Rockstar designed it, full of gore and sick, twisted violence, not some watered down garbage where rainbows come out of wounds.
What a ringing endorsement of the game.
Ayrto 23rd June 2007, 04:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tyinsar
BULL___!

Are you suggesting that kiddy porn is ok?
What about propaganda saying everyone from group X should be killed?
What about me spamming the internet making false claims about you personally?

Sometimes society has to say that it's NOT OK to say or portray whatever you want.

Quoted for truth

As another poster said, your examples are all bogus as they are already covered by other laws, laws which western society is in very broad agreement with, eg. age of consent, incitement to violence,libel and slander.

Censorship involving film or artistic work however, is hugely controversial. The game in question doesn't have a positive message but who says it needs one?

The most annoying thing though is when a violent incident happens and the media look for a causal link to video games, yet society was far more violent in the recent past, before video games, anyone remember gang and football fan violence?
Tyinsar 23rd June 2007, 10:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by Wolfe
Kiddy pron isn't censored. It's illegal in order to stop people from making it (to protect the kiddies).
Currently, drawn kiddy pron is still legal (mostly, this could change), because there is no one who needs protecting. ...
Making it illegal doesn't equal censoring it? I'd say it does.
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Originally Posted by Wolfe
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As for propaganda and spamming the internet...

Uh... Have you been on the internet, ever? Neither is currently censored, nor should it be.

The deal with censorship, is that once you censor the statements of someone you don't like, (say, neo-nazi's), your legally obligated to censor the statements of people you do like (say, the green party) simply because there is no provision in the law that takes the public acceptance of what you are trying to censor into account. ...
Actually Neo-Nazi sites have been taken down (example) and some people who have created such sites have been charged with hate crimes.
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Originally Posted by Wolfe
IOW, you either have to censor everything, or nothing, and it's a slippery slope to totalitarianism.

Censorship is bad, mmmmkay?
Nope, not ok. It doesn't have to be - and shouldn't be - all or nothing. Take these forums for example: people have been banned and posts have been deleted - is that not a form of censorship? I think it is and it's a GOOD thing - I've seen forums where the mods were almost nonexistent and they were not places I wanted to visit or contribute to.
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Originally Posted by Ayrto
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The most annoying thing though is when a violent incident happens and the media look for a causal link to video games, yet society was far more violent in the recent past, before video games, anyone remember gang and football fan violence?
I'd say it would be more annoying to be beaten by some dumb kids that think it's a game (link) (& not even a mention of GTA in the story)

We humans seem to have never lacked the capacity to be "inhuman" to each other and I don't think that that will change anytime soon. Still, that doesn't mean we should encourage people to dwell on how they might be inhuman to others. From the descriptions of this "game" it doesn't sound like it was about much else.
DXR_13KE 23rd June 2007, 12:25 Quote
A ban is something a little more universal than a censor... as someone said, it is illegal to make kiddy porn but it is not illegal to make kiddy hentai..... and about censoring.... it is more subjective, a ban is more objective....

That thing about hate crimes is utter BS, if i am white and hit a white guy because he was threatening me it is self defense, if i do this to a black guy it is a hate crime..... neo-nazi people should be free to express them selfs, it is up to us to not be influenced by their views.

About these forums being moderated, and thank god they are very well moderated (except on some occasions), they mainly delete that contain pornographic material and curse words, this is still a family forum, and ban guys that wont follow the rules, if you don't want to go by these rules then you go to another forum, if you want to play a game, see a movie or read a book and your country has banned it, you move to another coun.... oww wait.

As for beating homeless people.... for each homeless guy that is beaten because of video games.......... i cant even imagine the number of homeless people that are beaten down by drunk people, by groups of students (jocks and idiots), by the police (taser and police abuse), are mowed down by cars (cars and tobacco kill lots of people each day, therefore they should be considered illegal)...... and most of the time when the mass media blames video games for a crime, the people that committed that crime usually deny that and say it was because of something else.

Thank God i started playing violent games at the right time, i was much under 18, it was my "escape valve" for all that stress and madness of my daily life, being inhuman to virtual humans prevented me from being violent to real humans, that and being brought up by a responsible family system, something that is becoming more and more rare everywhere.
You don't need to play a game to be inhuman, just be your self, and if you need help read a book, watch the news, see a documentary or watch a movie, Manhunt it self is not an experience of "kill in the most violent way you can, because you can and want" it is more "if you don't kill these death row'ed criminals in the most bloody way possible, we will kill your family" and is rather cliché, i have seen various variants of this story in books and movies.
f00dl3 23rd June 2007, 15:36 Quote
America is a "free country"***

Disclaimer: Conservative, religious and political interest groups have the ability to dictate.
Havok154 24th June 2007, 01:02 Quote
Watch this and tell it doesn't sound exactly like the way people are looking at video games. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuFhGR4QDd4 The biggest difference is that video games can be geared towards adults and in fact, most of the people playing video games are over 18. Corporate and government censorship of what I, a grown adult should be able to play, is just completely wrong and one step closer to the future I fear.
Tyinsar 24th June 2007, 03:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by f00dl3
America is a "free country"***

Disclaimer: Conservative, religious and political interest groups have the ability to dictate.
As do "liberal" and anti-religious political interest groups.
DXR_13KE 24th June 2007, 13:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by Havok154
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuFhGR4QDd4

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