bit-tech.net | CS responsible for ban on violent games

M4RTIN 13th December 2006, 14:07

this is kinda similar to the news story i linked to in the other thread, by blaming exacts games i guess they think it makes the argument against violent games stronger.

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It is absolutely beyond any doubt that such killer games desensitise unstable characters and can have a stimulating effect

i agree with that in some repsects, ie if they are nutty to begin with a violent game isnt going to discourage them from acting out the violence. however tarring everyone with the stupid brush is realyl the wrong way to go about it.

if you cant have violent games because it makes people killers, you cant have racing games because everyy speeds, you cant have gambling games as it encourages heavy gambliing what is their left do we all have to play my little pony rainbow adventure from now on

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didnt even see the other article, i better not go for that zombie genocide achievemnt on dead rising. thats gotta be worth the death penalty lol

Duste 13th December 2006, 14:13

I'd have to agree with one of the final statements you said, about how mental problems make killers out of kids. Think about how many kids in the world actually do play violent video games, and then think about how many of these kids actually do violent acts in real life? There's a VERY big difference in those statistics, which is where the mental problems come in, lol.

Leeum 13th December 2006, 14:17

These games are meant to be inaccessible to children anyway - HL2 and its mods have a BBFC rating of 15 years of age and F.E.A.R. 18 years of age.

Mother-Goose 13th December 2006, 14:19

I can see where the ban is coming from but it really only effects younger people.

I'm 21, I know i can't go out and shoot someone. But imagine an 8 year old for instance, they play CS, the kill a CT with a glock. They see daddy's gun lying around so take it for a spin, see a police officer and shoot them.

I know this cant really happen in Europe but it is possible in the states.

What I do not agree with is allowing kids their own computers/consoles, it makes them lazy (i am coming back on topic right.....now) and as it is all they do for "fun" this can then seep into their lives.

It is more related to young and impressionable minds than adults, but then again, the kids of today will be the adults of tomorrow so I guess you have to start it somewhere.

Maybe these games should be over 18s then?

EDIT: Leeum posted whilst I was writing that, I was unaware of that being in place already, which goes to show it is not being enforced properly.

Chuff_72 13th December 2006, 15:18

You know what? F*** em I'm fed up having this discussion over and over, if ze Germans want to ban violent games then they are idiots looking for a scapegoat instead of dealing with real issues. I guess Violent games are the new Jews...

Spaceraver 13th December 2006, 15:25

they will try to ban everything that they cant control. which makes things worse. look at the netherlands, they have a better law on beer, pot, and hookers.. there arent 60% whores there right? and not everyone is stoned 24/7.. :) Get the point??

TheColdLord 13th December 2006, 15:39

This is absolutely idiotic....WTF is thier problem?! I mean the parents are for blame in this case not the child. Guns don't kill ppl...MENTAL ISSUES KILL PEOPLE....TOTALY STUPID ACT AGAINS GAMING!

Mother-Goose 13th December 2006, 15:59

Apparently rappers do as well, if you can believe that :)

I was reading on the BBC that panto stars aren't allowed to throw sweets into the crowd incase the kids are allergic to nuts, its stupid! If I could keep my computer I'd go back to the 1940's

Chuff_72 13th December 2006, 16:02

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Originally Posted by Mother-Gooser
If I could keep my computer I'd go back to the 1940's

Ah, an auspicious period for Ze Germans to be sure...

M4RTIN 13th December 2006, 16:35

we could always just say bollocks to children. im sick of thi whole world pandering everythign to kids all the time, banning this and that because kids may or may not see it. nto to mention the fact parents should be controling what they watch not everyone else. if was a parent and wanted my child to watch resevoir dogs and hardcore porn i should bloody well be allowed to. and anyway people spend more time as adults than children after all.

Hilariousity 13th December 2006, 16:51

If someone asked me why I fragged someone in counterstrike I would obviously say I did it for the lulz

overdosedelusion 13th December 2006, 16:56

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Originally Posted by Spaceraver
they will try to ban everything that they cant control. which makes things worse. look at the netherlands, they have a better law on beer, pot, and hookers.. there arent 60% whores there right? and not everyone is stoned 24/7.. :) Get the point??

if only i could live there *sniffle*

MrBurritoMan 13th December 2006, 17:04

i like what was said in the mini article

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The point we repeatedly make at bit-tech is that games do not make killers out of kids - mental problems make killers out of kids, and addressing the issue through banning games rather than mental health treatment simply addresses the symptom, not the cause.

i have studied psychology in college so I'm not an authority by any means however what i did learn, and know from personal experience, lines right up with what has been said. if the Germans are right then all of us who enjoy a nightly frag fest should be robbing the corner convenience store just for kicks. if there is such a pretense to be violent after playing such games then there the ratio of violent acts in this world to video game sales should be directly proportional. instead those who like to panic about everything seem to want to ruin things for everyone. German gamers, our prayers are with you.

...this is simply idiotic...

yodasarmpit 13th December 2006, 18:21

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Originally Posted by MrBurritoMan

...this is simply idiotic...

I have nothing else to add.

inflatable 13th December 2006, 18:44

This is your typical stuff where some politician thinks he/she is doing the right thing while infact he/she has no clue what he/she is talking about.. You're typical non-gamer that still thinks gaming is just for kids..

Banning adult games for kids, ok I agree, but banning games for everybody including adults is just stupid.. Instead of taking the easy way out by banning it all they should enforce the current laws better, don't allow retail to sell adult games to kids.. Rest is the responsability of the parents..

And if they really think banning such games helps they should ban a lot more, violent movies and TV-programs etc aswell.. Ban it all, censor the whole society, total state-control!!!

Luckily I live in a free country..

Phil Rhodes 13th December 2006, 19:13

Chess is a war simulator.

Phil

DXR_13KE 13th December 2006, 19:44

i really don't care (sorry if i offended anyone)..... as long as this doesn't spread to the rest of the EU, if Germans want to play games they must vote on another political party that wont do this kind of crap.

and yes, this is simply idiotic, what about violent movies and books?

if you think about it... after this more people will start becoming more violent because they cant play video games to unleash their stress upon virtual humans and will start using it against real humans...... even football (and American football) games will be banned because you can tackle and hit figures of humans.

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Originally Posted by Chuff_72
I guess Violent games are the new Jews...

caution with your words.....

Child's Play is a really really really great idea!!!!!!

perplekks45 13th December 2006, 21:11

We actually have every goddamn english version of any game banned for gore-ishness and stuff. Well... not banned but put on an index which means: no open trade and no advertises. Sucks but it's ok. IF some assholes sell 18+ games to kids they should be sent to jail... not me!

As I mentioned in another thread: I'm 22 goddamnit! I do know what is real and what is not. I knew with 10, I know now. My parents told me. Yea, I had good parents talking to me not letting the TV talk to me. That's the major problem with kids over here: They're educated by TV shows not by parents and school.
Ban the games, make possession illegal, make playing illegal... I don't care. I bought them for a lot of money, I'm an adult (if only in a terms of law) and I won't accept anyone to tell me what to possess and what not. If I don't hurt anybody or cut down somebody's rights etc I am ****ing free to do whatever I want. Every day in my entire life with every decision.

Thanks Germany for making me as a PC addict such a nice place to live in.

// edit: And about the Jew thingy... Godwin's Law. Better than saying 'stupid', right?

13000 13th December 2006, 21:25

Guess my business plan of opening up a CSS Lan centre in Germany would put me into - profits then?

speedfreek 13th December 2006, 21:43

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Originally Posted by aon`aTv.gsus666

Thanks Germany for making me as a PC addict such a nice place to live in.

So are we goint to see you sell your game collection in the fs forum now to avoid jail time.

This wont do anything unless you pick out the crazy children and try and fix them, no person in there right mind, that I know of, would go shoot up a crowd.

apoogod 13th December 2006, 21:47

I to cant stand this crap, I guess they should ban violent movies to while they are at it. Its always someone else's fault that their kids are a screw up.

perplekks45 13th December 2006, 22:38

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Originally Posted by speedfreek
So are we goint to see you sell your game collection in the fs forum now to avoid jail time.

Sure. Right next to my CD collection as music might affect people too. And all my movies. My clothes too as the prints on t-shirts... you know what I mean...

Almightyrastus 13th December 2006, 22:48

The question is how many people play these games and DON'T go on to kill people?

The biggest problem is that the people making the laws are not the ones who have either grown up with or indeed ever played any games. Pretty much all of us here know games, we have grown up with them and enjoy them so we can see the other angle and look at these things a little differently to those in the positions of power.

naokaji 14th December 2006, 01:36

hitler, stalin, suharto and hussein all had access to water......
lets ban water to avoid the existance of such guys in the future.........

i know thats a pretty extreme example..... but i think it shows good how stupid banning games is.......

those guys should also consider the side effects banning games would have.....

in addition to 1000's of people being suddenly unemployed.....
computer sales will go down.....
and with it earnings from taxes for the country......
austria and switzerland wont see any games translated to german anymore...

speedfreek 14th December 2006, 04:39

I have a tshirt with a toilet hitting someone in the back of the head (look at the valve store) but it should be banned because it promotes violence, same with my arghhh shirt promoting piracy. Or sublime talks about weed in their songs, better take care of that to reduce drug useage. But dont look at the unbalanced people who try and act out the game in real life, its someone elses fault.

aon`aTv.gsus666, do you have a steam account full of games that I could take off your hands. :D
Just kidding

Chuff_72 14th December 2006, 08:49

[QUOTE=DXR_13KE]caution with your words.....QUOTE]

Sorry.Mum.

Chuff_72 14th December 2006, 08:53

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Originally Posted by aon`aTv.gsus666
// edit: And about the Jew thingy... Godwin's Law. Better than saying 'stupid', right?

Godwin's Law applies specifically for the mention of Nazi's or Hitler, not the Second World War in general, battles that were faught or any war crimes that took place within. 'Stupid'.

Adam-Mck 14th December 2006, 09:08

so if one bad instance of something happens it has to be resolved with a ban. ok so sevral bowing 747s have crashed in the many years should they be banned. many people dye from cancer should cancer be banned. And i bet the kid killed on other motives not just the fact of a video game. game stores really should stick on the certifcate rate that each games have and stop parents from buying games such as GTA (for example) and the giving it to there 12 year old child. blah i bet i get flamed for my post but im half asleep at work.

perplekks45 14th December 2006, 09:19

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Originally Posted by Chuff_72
Godwin's Law applies specifically for the mention of Nazi's or Hitler, not the Second World War in general, battles that were faught or any war crimes that took place within. 'Stupid'.

So everybody blamed the Jews for being... Jews? Was no fascistic-country-only problem back then? To me this sounds like a comparison to Germans (Nazis) blaming Jews for being the root of all evil.
Didn't want to insult anyone...
End of off topic.

otispunkmeyer 14th December 2006, 09:59

urgh great

i love violent games, the best of which is Soldier of fortune 2.... shot gunning limbs off before the enemy hits the floor is great fun. GoW multiplayer is awesome too..i love curb stomping people after i down them.

as much as i'd like to see tony blaire be given a swift kick in the nuts, and gordon brown an even swifter one....the games dont make me wanna go out and leave a bloody trail of dead labour MP's in my wake as i seek to destroy them. no labour are capable of doing that on their own :P

i've killed countless times in games, but never felt the urge to go do it for real, i wont even join the army. im still attached to the real world...if your not your either a labour MP or nuts.

xrob 14th December 2006, 11:33

99% of germans hack to f*** on cs anyway, so no big loss really. This massacre has nothing to do with CS, has anyone see the video he made which was put up on liveleak.com, he soudns like a ****ing physco and blames being bullied as his reason for his rage.

Darkangel 14th December 2006, 13:44

Im gonna start 'training' on those web adverts where you have to "shoot the duck" then when i off someone.... they'll get banned =)

DXR_13KE 15th December 2006, 16:06

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