Valve to change Counter-Strike pistols

Author: Ryan Garside
Published: 11th December 2006
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Valve to change Counter-Strike pistols

The dynamic pricing system in Counter-Strike: Source is currently not working. Valve hope the updates will rectify that.

We predicted, in our ‘Declining State of Counter-Strike’ article, that the proposed dynamic weapons price system would not work in Counter-Strike: Source. At bit-tech we don’t like to say ‘We told you so’ but feel, after a recent statement from Valve about the flailing system, that we should. They recently said this:

It's been six weeks now since the community's purchase habits began driving the pricing of weapons in Counter-Strike: Source. As many of you have probably noticed, the price of the Desert Eagle has been increasing steadily and is now somewhat out of control. This is happening because the Desert Eagle is considerably more useful than the rest of the pistols -- purchasing one of the others is not a smart buy. We'll address this by making the Five Seven, P228, and Dual Elites more effective. The prices of all pistols have been reset to their previous defaults in preparation for this change.

So, it looks like Valve has realised that no matter how cheap they make the crappy weapons in CS:S, people just won’t want to play with them. As a big CS fan I can safely say I’d rather just stop playing than have to contend with shooting the awful MAC-10. Obviously other gamers feel the same, and so the price of the popular weapons hasn’t levelled out, but just increased more and more.

What I really find laudable are the ‘Hot Bargain’ advertisements. Right now they have an advertisement saying “A run on Assault Suit buying has caused a significant price drop on the Nightvision Goggles. Outfit your militia force today and save big.” The problem is, nobody ever buys the Nightvision Goggles because they are completely unnecessary. Expense has nothing to do with it. Unsurprisingly, the Goggles are predicted to go down from $406 to $65 at the next change.

So, will the revised weapons shake things up? That completely depends on how Valve approaches it. Currently the starting pistols for both terrorists and counter-terrorists are fairly powerful. If you’re to entice people to buy other pistols you’ll have to make them better than the ones you start with. It’s a move in the right direction for Valve but I wouldn’t be surprised to see this whole dynamic pricing system scrapped early 2007.

What do you think of the dynamic pricing system in Counter-Strike? Let us know in the forums.
Quote [USRF]Obiwan 11th December 2006, 10:46
I dont play cs:source (i am one of the old school 1998 TFC players). But this is ridiculous. I have played the old CS a few hundred times. And all that you want to do is equip the best weapon and armor your money could buy as soon as possible. And then rush to the A or B spot. And most of the time you learned the key combo to quickly go thru the buying menu. Like 1,2,6 or something likewise. With the changing prices you would press 1,2 and the run out of money because the price of the weapon of choice is sudenly 20,000. So you start running arround and then you noticed that you dont have a weapon... damn!

At least in the old system everyone had a even choice and money to buy something usefull...
Quote Mother-Goose 11th December 2006, 11:00
I actually really like the dynamic pricing option. I think it makes players more adaptable and more skillfull. Ryan the MAC10 is brilliant you just need some practice with it. The other day I was playing in a server where almost everyone was UMP'ing becuase they are so cheap, it was hilarious fun, people actually got really good with them in the end. The high priced deagle is great too, no longer do u get buggers AWP'ing and then deagling you when u get close, plus there have been loads more knife kills lol
Quote mclean007 11th December 2006, 11:01
"What I really find laudable are the ‘Hot Bargain’ advertisements."

You then go on to say how pointless the 'Hot Bargain' night vision goggles are. I don't get it - should this be laughable?
Quote xrob 11th December 2006, 11:11
As i expected, you need to ad this to the new post aswell, advertisements coming to cs

they are adding adverts in cs 1.6, they are saying because of their on going support for the cs 1.6 community, erm hello, if you look at the stats i think you'll find the 75% of steam users playing online are actually playing 1.6, they havnt even made a single update to 1.6 in around 2 years, still got the same old flash bugs on nuke and d2, its stupid.

taken from steam site:
Game/Current Players/Current Servers
Counter-Strike 117,789/75,048
Counter-Strike: Source 17,384/30,550

The stats speak for them selves, they are adding adverts to 1.6 so they can gain back the money they have wasted on updating source, and for them to make yet more retarded changes to their unpopular cs:s. If valve had a ****ing clue they would be updating and improving 1.6. Valve need to stop wasting money away on ****** updates to this stupid version of cs, and stop the hackers in 1.6.

Just a note i am not against ads in cs 1.6, far from it, but i want to see it benefit 1.6 not valves other bollocks games, and making up wasted money spent on updating other games. they have dont absolutely **** all for 1.6 in the last 2 year and now they are doing this. This could be huge benefit putting ads in 1.6 for big competition lans. All valve want is money.

Any enough complaining.
Quote DougEdey 11th December 2006, 11:23
mclean007: I think it's meant to be sarcasm...
Quote jjsyht 11th December 2006, 11:48
Quote:
Originally Posted by xrob
As i expected, you need to ad this to the new post aswell, advertisements coming to cs
they havnt even made a single update to 1.6 in around 2 years, still got the same old flash bugs on nuke and d2, its stupid.
What's the flash bug?
Quote Garside 11th December 2006, 11:51
My sarcasm isn't working this morning :P
Quote mclean007 11th December 2006, 12:19
D'oh. Monday morning. Oops
Quote neonplanet40 11th December 2006, 12:37
We have disabled the dynamic pricing on both our hexus servers so we dont care what they do tbh. Howver if they keep f**king it up then my clan will move onto a new game that suits us and the majority of gamers better.

Neon
Quote Omnituens 11th December 2006, 12:43
Quote:
As a big CS fan I can safely say I’d rather just stop playing than have to contend with shooting the awful MAC-10
I find that offensive. My favourite weapon is now dirt cheap!

now its CHEAP COMEDY KILLS!
Quote xrob 11th December 2006, 15:34
flashing under ramp box, flashes the entire ramp and anyone at the top of the ladder. how do you not know that, its been there for years.
Quote DXR_13KE 11th December 2006, 16:19
at least CS.S is more fun to play now... i hope they update every weapon for effectiveness.

and i hope they don't modify CS 1.6 because if they do they will ruin it..... unless they make it cheat proof.


edit: what is the price of the (rather rarely used) machine gun now?
Quote dragontail 11th December 2006, 19:08
Argh!! Can't they leave the games alone? If it ain't broke don't frigging try fixing it! :(
Can they screw up the game even more? Looking at the track record, it's hard not to say no... bloody hell :'(
Quote wafflesomd 11th December 2006, 19:20
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragontail
Argh!! Can't they leave the games alone? If it ain't broke don't frigging try fixing it! :(
Can they screw up the game even more? Looking at the track record, it's hard not to say no... bloody hell :'(

Ditto.
Quote Bbq.of.DooM 11th December 2006, 21:49
What they need, are extremely cheap or expensive.

For example, the Desert Eagle. Everyone uses it because it's powerful. But, the little used P228 is nearly as powerful, about half the price, and fires faster. Make the Desert eagle $1200 instead of $1000, and the P228 $400. It'll be used a lot more. The FiveseveN? That needs to be even cheaper.

As for the MG, they need another one. How long has the M249 been in? It's old, it's slow, it's a near useless gun. Either make it $2000, add other MG's (something with a bipod would be nice), or drop it.
Quote Cobalt 11th December 2006, 22:26
M429 is a favourite of mine for when I have a lot of cash and just want to do some general blasting :D

I always bought the P228 anyway. I didn't like the small mag capacity of the deagle and as I don't try to snipe with pistols it isn't a problem.
Quote Cthippo 12th December 2006, 01:00
How about adding an MG3, fires at 1200 rounds/minute (sounds like a zipper).

Given what's happened to CS:S, I think the 1.6 community is better off if Valve just completly forgets they exist and never updates the game again.
Quote Aankhen 12th December 2006, 07:02
Quote:
Originally Posted by [USRF]Obiwan
I dont play cs:source (i am one of the old school 1998 TFC players). But this is ridiculous. I have played the old CS a few hundred times. And all that you want to do is equip the best weapon and armor your money could buy as soon as possible. And then rush to the A or B spot. And most of the time you learned the key combo to quickly go thru the buying menu. Like 1,2,6 or something likewise.
Jeez... I guess there's no need for players then, just bots, right?

I don't enjoy playing games by rote, but apparently I'm in the minority.
Quote airchie 12th December 2006, 14:31
If they would concentrate on preventing cheating instead of 'improving' the game in other ways I'd be much happier.

And the MAC10 pwns! ;)
Just not as much as the TMP... :(
Quote Hilariousity 12th December 2006, 16:47
dynamic weapon pricing is a stupid and unnecasary upgrade that valve is implementing so that they will lose more cs source players. I am a hardcore cssource fan, but I am thinking of getting buying 1.6 so I don't have to deal with valve lame updates. Actually I take that back the rest of valves updates were fine, but DWP has got to go!

good north American servers that don't use DWP.
cantstopgaming 50 player server 70.84.79.245:27015
Noob Galore 24/7 office 46 person server 66.225.195.179:27015
AWP 24/7 24 person server 69.93.229.252:27016
Quote specofdust 12th December 2006, 17:16
Quote:
Given what's happened to CS:S, I think the 1.6 community is better off if Valve just completly forgets they exist and never updates the game again.

So so true.

This is really getting silly, it would seem Valve are trying to make people hate them at this stage in time. The 5-7 is useless, so I'll admit an upgrade to its power might make it not useless, but the 228 and elites are already highly capable weapons. That Valve think just because most people spam the Deagle means they need to go and change things..Bah! It's safe to say that Valve are the worst thing to ever happen to CS, and I'm including the AWP in that.
Quote Cobalt 12th December 2006, 19:46
I'm happy. My favourite weapon just got a 25% power boost, so I'm not to bothered either way. I doubt it will affect the balance that much as people only seriously use pistols for the first few rounds before they can afford decent weapons. That kind of player will always choose the desert eagle. I'm fine with buying the TMP (not the mac10 though) and spraying a bit as I play for fun rather than to get to the number one spot.
Quote speedfreek 12th December 2006, 21:29
I always loved the night vision being the best bargin, I have only seen one person ever use it.
Quote Gordy 12th December 2006, 21:51
I used to use it on a couple of maps (ones with very dark bits) makes for one hell of an advantage in certain situations. :)

Sad to see changes like this in cs, though I never play it anymore so don't care too much.
Quote Sparrowhawk 13th December 2006, 20:14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cthippo
How about adding an MG3, fires at 1200 rounds/minute (sounds like a zipper).
Hm. I'd prefer the MG36, personally.
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