bit-tech.net

Internet Explorer market share plummets

Internet Explorer market share plummets

Microsoft's Internet Explorer continues to lose ground to rival browsers, but holds on to its majority overall.

Microsoft's Internet Explorer has had a bad month of it, with the browser's market share dropping to its lowest point in eleven years in April.

According to research carried out by Net Applications - reported over on ConceivablyTech - Internet Explorer's market spare dropped to a bare majority of 59.95 percent in April - around the same share as Microsoft enjoyed back in 1999 when it launched Internet Explorer 4.

Internet Explorer's loss translates, inevitably, into gains for other browsers - and the biggest winner according to Net Applications' figures is Google's Chrome. While still a minority browser - with just 6.73 percent of the market - Google's browser continues to increase in popularity, maintaining its double-digit growth figures.

Net Applications also shows Firefox gaining ground with 24.59 percent of the browser market - a growth of 0.07 percent in April, although still a significant dip on its height of 24.72 percent in November 2009.

While there are some questions as to the overall accuracy of Net Applications' figures - rival market watcher StatCounter puts Internet Explorer's market share as low as 51.42 percent, with rival browsers figures increased accordingly - one thing is agreed upon: users are continuing to flock away from Microsoft's default web browser.

Whether the company can reverse this trend with the up-coming Internet Explorer 9 - pegged to include DirectX acceleration and HTML 5 support - remains to be seen.

Do you understand why Internet Explorer continues to lose market share, and is there anything that Microsoft can do about it? What's your browser of choice for day-to-day use? Share your thoughts over in the forums.

54 Comments

Discuss in the forums Reply
Picarro 4th May 2010, 10:26 Quote
But now the question comes. Who buys shares in out-dated tech anyway? ;)
will. 4th May 2010, 10:28 Quote
I've been playing about with IE9 and so far I am vaguely impressed with it's css3 support, but thoroughly unimpressed with it's speed. It's crap!
Santa-san 4th May 2010, 10:45 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Picarro
But now the question comes. Who buys shares in out-dated tech anyway? ;)

I agree! :D Now buying some shares in Firefox when they started out would have been a smart investment;)
l3v1ck 4th May 2010, 10:58 Quote
I can see why. Firefox has better cookie handling options and loads of add-ons. Chrome is supposed to be faster. IE is slow to get patches and has (in my opinion) a poorer user interface.
crazyceo 4th May 2010, 11:02 Quote
You can also blame this drop on the browser panel forced upon Microsoft in the EU.

Also, what out-dated tech are you talking about?
steveo_mcg 4th May 2010, 11:15 Quote
Yeah its shocking how when given the option to not use IE people choose not to use it...
Yslen 4th May 2010, 11:23 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by l3v1ck
Chrome is supposed to be faster.

I read all the test conclusions about the speed improvement of chrome like everyone else did when it came out, but was disappointed to find it slower than firefox in general use, contrary to the test results.

I finally figured out why only a few months ago when I went back to chrome to see if it had improved at all. Chrome, being nice and lightweight due to the lack of add-ons is supposed to be nice and quick. My firefox installation has a shed-load of addons (and yes, the official unit of measurement for quantities of addons is sheds... or at least it should be) but because one of those is an ad-blocker, any ad-infested pages (the majority of the internet) will load significantly faster in firefox, the "big, heavy & slow browser", as my chrome-loving (that sounds like some sort of euphemism...) friends call it. I do like a bit of irony.

I'm also reliably informed that there won't be an ad-blocker officially supported by chrome because google makes so much cash from its advertising - it wouldn't really make sense for them to allow it in their own browser.

And yes, as crazyceo pointed out, all those who've bought windows 7 in the EU have a lovely IE-free OS by default, and I would imagine most have the sense to ask someone (or just google) which browser to get, if they don't already have an opinion. I'd actually be interested to see statistics for the browser market share for windows 7 users in the EU only. I hereby predict a pitiful result for microsoft.

Yslen

ps. Yes, most of that comment was pointless, but I'm testing a new keyboard, and there's something so depressing about typing "hello my name is <insert name here>" in microsoft word over and over.
rickysio 4th May 2010, 11:23 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
You can also blame this drop on the browser panel forced upon Microsoft in the EU.

Also, what out-dated tech are you talking about?

Shouldn't it be thank?

This is just about the only thing EU has done that I agree with...

Then again the other things they do aren't related to me, so I pretty much only know that the EU has done this... Other than the fiasco about Greece.
Dave Lister 4th May 2010, 11:31 Quote
I've been using chrome for about 2 months now and am amazed at how much quicker it is than ie8, however i'm willing to give ie9 a chance when it's properly released whenever that may be.
crazyceo 4th May 2010, 11:42 Quote
1..2..3..4..I predict a flame war!!!!!!!

IE8 is perfectly fine to use and is excellent in every way. I don't need any "ADWARE" chrome or unstable firefox.
Shagbag 4th May 2010, 11:43 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
You can also blame this drop on the browser panel forced upon Microsoft in the EU.
:D I guess people just aren't clicking on the choice for IE. lol.

Really, this drop is really not surprising, IE is becoming increasingly irrelevant and has been doing so for the past few years. Safari is no different.
Star*Dagger 4th May 2010, 11:48 Quote
I don't know anyone, personally, ignorant enough to use IE. If I did know someone still using it I would explain to them why they shouldn't, and download FF for them and install it if need be. Don't lets your friends drive drun... uh.. use IE.

Yours in anti-MS Plasma,
Star*Dagger
Picarro 4th May 2010, 12:18 Quote
My dad was a hardcore IE fan. I told him that if he used FF for 3 days and didn't like it. I would take care of all the pc related problems in the household for the entire year. But guess what, I still have a lot of spare time ^^
rickysio 4th May 2010, 12:34 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
1..2..3..4..I predict a flame war!!!!!!!

IE8 is perfectly fine to use and is excellent in every way. I don't need any "ADWARE" chrome or unstable firefox.

SRWare Iron for your non "ADWARE" Chrome needs.

Firefox unstable? :|:|:|
V3ctor 4th May 2010, 12:36 Quote
Now, if the IT in my company decided to kill IE6 and put firefox or something... IE6 doesn't have any security updates (it's EOL by MS) and Firefox is great... although it eats alot of memory on my P3 866mhz 512SDRAM :D
Orionche 4th May 2010, 13:01 Quote
Let it die.
Xir 4th May 2010, 13:40 Quote
[QUOTE=crazyceo;2293121]You can also blame this drop on the browser panel forced upon Microsoft in the EU.[QUOTE]

I don't know, I found the panel (that came up on my winXP machine???) strange. It suggests if you choose a different browser it would remove IE entirely.
Also, it didn't recognise I had already installed a different browser, and dindn't want to reinstall a second firefox, thank you.

I've got IE and FF installed next to each other, but only use FF.
Some websites, usually "official" ones using forms insist on IE, so very rarely i need it.

Also intersting, IE6 still has between 20 and 10% share.
Mostly companies, I guess, I know mine uses it.
crazyceo 4th May 2010, 13:47 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Star*Dagger
I don't know anyone, personally, ignorant enough to use IE. If I did know someone still using it I would explain to them why they shouldn't, and download FF for them and install it if need be. Don't lets your friends drive drun... uh.. use IE.

Yours in anti-MS Plasma,
Star*Dagger

So why shouldn't they use it? really, I need to know as I haven't heard a valid excuse yet!
Bonzo45 4th May 2010, 14:22 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Picarro
My dad was a hardcore IE fan...

Hardcore Internet Explorer Wow, never heard of that before!
rickysio 4th May 2010, 14:38 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
So why shouldn't they use it? really, I need to know as I haven't heard a valid excuse yet!

I don't know, but

[sarcasm]
1) IE is very secure. The most secure of all - it's unsurpassed in terms of security!
2) IE is blazing fast! It annihilates all other browsers in terms of sheer speed. The Trident engine pretty much spears Gecko, Webkit and Presto.
3) IE supports anything and everything, unlike others, which supports much much less.
4) IE is the most efficient browser out of all.
5) IE is the most stable of all browsers.
[/sarcasm]
thehippoz 4th May 2010, 14:41 Quote
64 bit IE is probably the fastest.. just no flash =E

still use firefox but the 3.6+ builds are not as good as the old 3.5 builds and they took out the nice themes support- it's only a image you can embed in the header now, no more icons and scroll bar colors

I'd switch to IE 64 bit in a second if flash would make a 64 bit plugin for it
dullonien 4th May 2010, 14:43 Quote
Personally use IE8. I've tried Firefox, Chrome, but eventually find my way back to Internet Explorer. I've had no issues with it whatsoever, it ties in nicely in terms of aesthetics with windows 7, and isn't much slower than the others mentioned imo. I honestly can't fault it, wheaeas I found FF ate memory for breakfast (important when youre workign day to day in AutoCAD/3ds Max and you need all the momory you can get on occasions) and more importantly I was always coming across sites that simply weren't written for the others.

When IE9 officially get's released, I'll more onto that and be content with my browsing life.

Also not a fan of using Ad blocking software, since just about every website out there relies on the revenue ads create, including bit-tech. If everyone started using an adblock plugin, do you think the advertisers would bother?
DXR_13KE 4th May 2010, 15:14 Quote
crazyceo.... the person i was expecting to see in this discussion... why is it that you are always in these discussions about MS and their stuff?
crazyceo 4th May 2010, 16:05 Quote
Well I always enjoy using the best operating systems and best internet browsers.....so pretty much everything with Microsoft before the name as all the other pretenders just don't cut the mustard.

rickysio, thanks for that I already knew it was good but you've expanded my knowledge even more.
wuyanxu 4th May 2010, 16:40 Quote
if Microsoft are required to put a browser choice screen, how come Apple doesn't have to do the same?
thehippoz 4th May 2010, 16:44 Quote
yeah really.. it's because apple guys are foaming at the mouth already- choice would only confuse them XD
Volund 4th May 2010, 16:46 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
Well I always enjoy using the best operating systems and best internet browsers.....so pretty much everything with Microsoft before the name as all the other pretenders just don't cut the mustard.

rickysio, thanks for that I already knew it was good but you've expanded my knowledge even more.

wow... I like microsoft products, but that is really very close minded, kind of cutting off you nose to spite your face there buddy.
crazyceo 4th May 2010, 16:50 Quote
Only if I hadn't used the alternatives.
TSR2 4th May 2010, 16:58 Quote
IE tends to recieve a bad press, what with people still remembering the nightmare that was IE6 and so forth. Also, the average user tends to experience the worst side of IE, loaded down with toolbars and other rubbish so the OEM can pocket a few extra pence.

Having said that, though, I stick with firefox.
smc8788 4th May 2010, 16:59 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Star*Dagger
I don't know anyone, personally, ignorant enough to use IE.

I find that hard to believe. Clearly 60% of computer users around the world are ignorant enough to still use IE, and you don't know any of them? Personally, everyone I know over the age of 25 still uses IE or has done previous to me persuading them to use something else.
CowBlazed 4th May 2010, 19:26 Quote
IE works fine for me, and frankly I don't give a crap which application displays websites for me as long as it works.

I don't know anyone ignorant enough to think IE is so terrible that no one in their right mind could actually use it, oh wait ya I do hes called Stardagger.

64bit flash support would bee nice, though as it is IE 64bit is basically IE with ad block :D
PureSilver 4th May 2010, 19:55 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yslen
I'm also reliably informed that there won't be an ad-blocker officially supported by chrome because google makes so much cash from its advertising - it wouldn't really make sense for them to allow it in their own browser.

I count no less than fourteen adblockers on the Chrome Extensions page. That might not be as good as 'officially supported' but since most of them use exactly the same technique and lists as FF I'll settle for it. For anyone worrying about depriving deserving sites of revenue, consider the 'whitelist' (mine includes all URLs ending 'bit-tech.net', for example).
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
So why shouldn't they use it? really, I need to know as I haven't heard a valid excuse yet!

Valid excuses reasons provided courtesy of the German Government, the French Government, the Australian Government, the New York Times etc etc ad nauseam. For a brief summary, IE is insecure, lazily coded, slow to respond to exploits and just slow. Those problems are compounded by the fact that IE is the default browser of people who do not understand computers; this vulnerable userbase means that IE is also the premier browser target of hacking, virii, and other internet nasties. It's not just most of the world's Governments and lots of the world's internet journalists saying that, personal experience also plays a part. I use Chrome for both my Mac and my 7 desktop (synchronised bookmarks and the like are useful) and loading IE on the thankfully rare occasions I am forced to use it takes in excess of 30 seconds, as opposed to click-open for Chrome.
Quote:
Originally Posted by smc8788
Personally, everyone I know over the age of 25 still uses IE or has done previous to me persuading them to use something else.

+1. Whole family now uses Chrome, and the number of "Help, the internet doesn't work" calls has decreased exponentially.
SinnerG 4th May 2010, 20:50 Quote
I haven't checked in on chrome for a few months. Do they finally have an option to specify a proxy? On the windows version I used it would only use the proxies as they were defined for IE.

As for IE, I don't use it much at home, but at the office it is all we focus on supporting for our internal apps. Another browser in the office mix with 500 odd problematic employees would just drive me mad. Also simpler to control from AD group policy.

I'm fairly happy with FF for my own office and home PC, but I agree it'd be nicer if it felt like it fitted in with my Win7. That's the only thing really since I tend to look at the pages it is displaying rather than its window borders.
crazyceo 4th May 2010, 21:40 Quote
PureSilver
"Valid excuses reasons provided courtesy of the German Government, the French Government, the Australian Government, the New York Times etc etc ad nauseam. For a brief summary, IE is insecure, lazily coded, slow to respond to exploits and just slow. Those problems are compounded by the fact that IE is the default browser of people who do not understand computers; this vulnerable userbase means that IE is also the premier browser target of hacking, virii, and other internet nasties. It's not just most of the world's Governments and lots of the world's internet journalists saying that, personal experience also plays a part. I use Chrome for both my Mac and my 7 desktop (synchronised bookmarks and the like are useful) and loading IE on the thankfully rare occasions I am forced to use it takes in excess of 30 seconds, as opposed to click-open for Chrome."

How can you call that a valid reason when the same bodies instigated the questionable charges over Microsoft including their own browser in their own operating system. I would also ignore the governments from those countries who also HAVE issued warnings against Firefox AND Google! but let's ignore them like you have.

Google is the biggest adware slugfest on the market today and who said I had blinker vision?
PureSilver 5th May 2010, 01:27 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
How can you call that a valid reason when the same bodies instigated the questionable charges over Microsoft including their own browser in their own operating system.

As completely irrelevant as that is to this particular discussion - which is about why IE's share is declining, not about whether it's anticompetitive to ship your own browser with your own operating system, I happen to agree that it's stupid to force Microsoft to advertise other people's browsers in Windows. That doesn't, however, change the fact that since the brower choice screen was implemented the desertion of IE by Windows users has surged from a trickle to a flood, which is yet more evidence that many people don't really like IE. In addition, pointing out that this was forced upon Microsoft is merely name-calling to discredit the Government agencies validly publicising IE's well-known flaws. It's also wrong, because technically it was a court, not these cyber-police, that ordered the browser screen upon Microsoft.
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
I would also ignore the governments from those countries who also HAVE issued warnings against Firefox AND Google! but let's ignore them like you have.

As far as I can see, there has been only one Governmental alert about FireFox, from Germany, which was patched by the release of an entirely new revision of FF. I'm not saying that other browsers are immune to security flaws, I'm just pointing out that IE has such a constant wide and gaping variety that usually are picked up not by MS' internal security testers but instead by external forces. Anyway, Governments have only made one warning about Chrome - again, from the Germans - and that wasn't even a security vulnerability, it was a warning that using Chrome would allow Google to monitor your internet habits. Much as they do if you use, er, Google. To continue on that theme;
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
Google is the biggest adware slugfest on the market today and who said I had blinker vision?

:?

Google's business is advertising. What were you expecting, exactly? In return for trying to sell you things, you get a free search engine, free e-mail, calendar, translation, mapping, StreetView and countless other services, and a free browser. That might not sound like a fair deal to you, but you're going to get it if you use Google at all, not just if you use their browser. Your ISP is doing much the same thing. In addition, there's no ads in-browser, and even better, like any other browser, Chrome allows you to install Ad-Block. So there's no ads. Which invalidates your entire argument. By contrast, Microsoft charge you up front for IE; as in, you must pay some hundreds of dollars for the OS with which it is compatible. Free + adverts or expensive + no adverts, the choice is yours. Finally, I'd also like to dispute the use of the word 'slugfest' because it implies 'slow' and really when when I think 'slow' I think 'IE.'
Yslen 5th May 2010, 01:39 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by PureSilver
I count no less than fourteen adblockers on the Chrome Extensions page. That might not be as good as 'officially supported' but since most of them use exactly the same technique and lists as FF I'll settle for it. For anyone worrying about depriving deserving sites of revenue, consider the 'whitelist' (mine includes all URLs ending 'bit-tech.net', for example).

Heh heh. Egg + face. When did chrome extensions appear anyway? There was me thinking there weren't any (there actually weren't the last couple of times I tried chrome). I'll install on one of those and give it another shot, I suppose.

As far as I know, the companies that advertise pay per redirect through the ad? So if you never click on banners anyway, it makes no difference if you block the ads. That's definitely the way some sites do it, as I've seen it explained, though I don't know if it's universally true.

I'm really picky with my browsers, as I am with most things I use on my pc. I have firefox customised with some very specific addons I've hard a hard time finding equivalents for elsewhere, meanwhile I also have addons giving me the key features of other browsers within firefox (fast dial etc). I don't see myself moving to another browser any time soon - and if I did, it would be chrome, not internet explorer.
Yslen 5th May 2010, 01:42 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by SinnerG
I'm fairly happy with FF for my own office and home PC, but I agree it'd be nicer if it felt like it fitted in with my Win7. That's the only thing really since I tend to look at the pages it is displaying rather than its window borders.

Just install a windows 7 skin? There are loads of them out there. <Resists temptation to say over 9000>.
Star*Dagger 5th May 2010, 02:29 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by smc8788
Quote:
Originally Posted by Star*Dagger
I don't know anyone, personally, ignorant enough to use IE.

I find that hard to believe. Clearly 60% of computer users around the world are ignorant enough to still use IE, and you don't know any of them? Personally, everyone I know over the age of 25 still uses IE or has done previous to me persuading them to use something else.

If I see an Offender, I educate him (or her) and then their erroneous ways are healed.

REPENT IE HERETICS!!! REPENT!
crazyceo 5th May 2010, 08:54 Quote
Here in the UK it's actually 70% IE users and the EU forced browser choice didn't change that much apparently. So the UK is again showing the world again the right way to go. Well done the UK and well done Microsoft for giving us the only choice the world has for the best internet browser.
rickysio 5th May 2010, 13:23 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
Here in the UK it's actually 70% IE users and the EU forced browser choice didn't change that much apparently. So the UK is again showing the world again the right way to go. Well done the UK and well done Microsoft for giving us the only choice the world has for the best internet browser.

I can't tell whether you're being sarcastic or you're really that much of a Microsoft fanboy.
steveo_mcg 5th May 2010, 13:30 Quote
He's that much of troll....


Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
Here in the UK it's actually 70% IE users and the EU forced browser choice didn't change that much apparently. So the UK is again showing the world again the right way to go. Well done the UK and well done Microsoft for giving us the only choice the world has for the best internet browser.
[Citation needed]
DXR_13KE 5th May 2010, 18:23 Quote
Why are you still feeding him?
steveo_mcg 5th May 2010, 18:38 Quote
Boredom mostly :)


He generally lives in my ignore list but i've been using the front page recently instead of the forums so i've seen the crap he types.
Star*Dagger 5th May 2010, 23:53 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
Here in the UK it's actually 70% IE users and the EU forced browser choice didn't change that much apparently. So the UK is again showing the world again the right way to go. Well done the UK and well done Microsoft for giving us the only choice the world has for the best internet browser.

The UK has consistently made the wrong decisions for well over 100 years, the only two good ones that stand out are electing Churchill and joining the EU (which is still half-arsed with keeping the pound).

I think you are a troll, so I won't say much more, other than be honest with yourself and try FF or one of the others, educate yourself and the choice will be clear, FF and the Euro!
PureSilver 6th May 2010, 02:54 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yslen
As far as I know, the companies that advertise pay per redirect through the ad? So if you never click on banners anyway, it makes no difference if you block the ads. That's definitely the way some sites do it, as I've seen it explained, though I don't know if it's universally true.

There's a thread on this on BiT somewhere recent - apparently this and many other sites rely on the advert actually being shown, so if it ain't, the site doesn't get paid. That put BiT and a few others on the whitelist (to which the block ain't applied); indeed, the only people I purposely block are the 'Cheezburger Network' and I'll continue to do so until they stop trying to ruin humour.
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
Here in the UK it's actually 70% IE users and the EU forced browser choice didn't change that much apparently.

Uh;
  1. That percentage is declining; hence the title of this thread's article.
  2. Many, many IE installations are in offices, schools and other places where sysadmins won't let you install your own browsers; there, choice is a bit of a fallacy.

Choice = good. If you've tried the others and prefer IE, more power to you. On the other hand, expect your opinions to be robustly contested by people hiding behind a veil of anonymity on the internet. ;)
crazyceo 6th May 2010, 09:08 Quote
@Star*Dagger

I take it you aren't from the UK so you just don't understand the problem between the UK and EU. I'm not going to knock you for that. People in mainland Europe embrace the EU, people in the UK don't and it will be very difficult to get to the same level of respect for it. However, FF is NOT the answer.

@PureSilver

Those figures are upto date and accurate. Take from that what you will.

Yes, that anonymity thing. We all saw what Jay and Silent Bob did at the end of Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back!
rickysio 6th May 2010, 11:45 Quote
Know what?

On all my school's PC's, there is a reason why almost every computer has Firefox Portable, Chrome Portable, Opera Portable, etc splattered all over the desktop, while IE whimpers in a corner.

The sysadmins approve, apparently, since they're not insane, or mentally incapable...
Shagbag 6th May 2010, 12:15 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by crazyceo
Those figures are upto date and accurate.
but you're still reluctant to post your 'source'. lol. Talk is cheap. Put up or shut up.
deadlyavenger 6th May 2010, 14:59 Quote
I can't say I'm surprised. Developing websites for IE (and yes there are lots of people still using IE6 & 7) is a pain :(
badman_mo007 6th May 2010, 15:55 Quote
internet explorer sucks im suprised it took ppl this long for people to realise it. lol
Arj12 6th May 2010, 16:10 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by badman_mo007
internet explorer sucks im suprised it took ppl this long for people to realise it. lol

Agreed! I'm surprised not more people are taking up google chrome and using it! It is a brilliant browser if like me you don't really use add ins :D
Tasslehoff 8th May 2010, 13:58 Quote
Personally I think Google Chrome is a very good browser
Extension support
bookmark syncing within the browser

I only use IE at work now for some IE only applications
Otherwise its google chrome all the way
gavomatic57 8th May 2010, 14:58 Quote
Acid3 wiki

Scroll to the bottom...IE does very badly in Acid 3 - Webkit (Safari & Chrome) & Firefox do much better.
M7ck 8th May 2010, 15:29 Quote
For years I swore by IE but just recently I switched to Chrome and I haven't looked back since. It feels a lot faster than IE and looks a lot smoother.
Log in

You are not logged in, please login with your forum account below. If you don't already have an account please register to start contributing.



Discuss in the forums