UK Govt. to hear calls to disconnect file sharers

If they had less of a reputation for being ****, I'd be concerned.

I'm sure it's been noted elsewhere, but the cinemas are empty these days. I went to see Star Trek this weekend - Mere days after launch, and christ on a stick - The place was deserted. There were a massive ten other people in the room, a total of 12 people, and one of those was a cinema employee.

Lower the astronomical costs of everything (Seriously, eight quid to see a movie?) and maybe start being cool and they'll re-attract the customers they lost when they started showing their douche-bag colours.

When will people learn that they can't stop file sharing, and just embrace the luuuve.

This is so annoying, P2P file sharing is perfectly legal sharing copywrited content is NOT. so they are saying i should have my internet disconnected because i may downloaded some free software like open office or a linux distro.

granted lots of people use it for illegal stuff but P2P sharing is also a very effective method of distribution of perfectly legal stuff.

also are they gunna monitor my bandwidth and then disconnect me because they suspect im using too much !!!!!!!!! and therefore must be downloading illegally.

i watch a film on sky player most nights, i play online most nights i also download patches, free demos, betas etc etc. now my monthly usage is quite high but not illegal.

The only real way to stop illegal file-sharing over the internet would be to either shut down the internet (not gonna happen obviously), or make it impossible for people to be anonymous over the web, and let the MAFIAA roam free, which is basically what is happening everywhere right now.

Given the large amount of easily cracked WEP networks I would feel very worried about the issues of wrongful disconnections - and think that the government would be quick to disconnect people and very slow to reconnect people who were wrongfully disconnected.

I agree with the article on the legal methods of getting media on the internet - spotify, steam and the iplayer are all very good, I am also very happy with the new channel 4 catch-up player - now it uses flash and has 2 or 3 adverts in it which I'm happy to sit through.

Originally Posted by liratheal
If they had less of a reputation for being ****, I'd be concerned.

I'm sure it's been noted elsewhere, but the cinemas are empty these days. I went to see Star Trek this weekend - Mere days after launch, and christ on a stick - The place was deserted. There were a massive ten other people in the room, a total of 12 people, and one of those was a cinema employee.

Lower the astronomical costs of everything (Seriously, eight quid to see a movie?) and maybe start being cool and they'll re-attract the customers they lost when they started showing their douche-bag colours.

And remove the ridiculous 30-45 minutes of adverts! :(

Last time I went to see a film in the cinema I had to get there 'early' (ish) to get a decent seat. Which mean sitting through about 30 minutes of f*****g adverts! I almost walked out. Just when I thought it was done, another one popped up. I didn't pay money to watch adverts.

Besides, with blu-ray and amazing home cinema now, I can watch my favourite films in the comfort of my own home, without adverts, without annoying cinema-goers and extorionate food prices and all the other rubbish that comes with it.

Sigh. The industry has a *long* way to go to catch up with what the consumer wants, not what they want the consumer to want. :|

See the problem is, if they do decide to take this action, virtually everyone would have to be disconnected from the net, which would destroy the net industry, not only ISPs but .com businesses such as play and amazon UK.

For the little I steal through the internet, I buy a hell of a lot more than I probably wouldn't have done before.

Originally Posted by liratheal
I'm sure it's been noted elsewhere, but the cinemas are empty these days. I went to see Star Trek this weekend - Mere days after launch, and christ on a stick - The place was deserted. There were a massive ten other people in the room, a total of 12 people, and one of those was a cinema employee.

I think the problem with the new Star Trek movie is that most of the people who would see it because it's Star Trek wont because they have heard how "****" it is and the normal movie going populace wont see it because it's Star Trek.

Agree With Liratheal. We paid 3x8= £24 to go and see Star Trek at the Weekend.
For that money, I can buy it on Blu-Ray, And not have my GF's experience ruined by the fat bloke behind who can't keep his ****ing feet still.

I remember, not that long ago, when it was £3.50-£4 to see a film. At those prices we'd probably go twice a week. As it is, we might go 6-7 times a year.

I can wait the couple of months for films to come out on DVD, then get them on Lovefilm.

It's the Cinemas/movie industry itself that are killing the movie industry, not file sharers.

Originally Posted by mmorgue
And remove the ridiculous 30-45 minutes of adverts! :(

Last time I went to see a film in the cinema I had to get there 'early' (ish) to get a decent seat. Which mean sitting through about 30 minutes of f*****g adverts! I almost walked out. Just when I thought it was done, another one popped up. I didn't pay money to watch adverts.

Besides, with blu-ray and amazing home cinema now, I can watch my favourite films in the comfort of my own home, without adverts, without annoying cinema-goers and extorionate food prices and all the other rubbish that comes with it.

Sigh. The industry has a *long* way to go to catch up with what the consumer wants, not what they want the consumer to want. :|

Completely agree with these points. I also went to see Star Trek on Friday night; we actually turned up about 10 minutes early for the showing, but thought we might as well go and get a decent seat, rather than head to the bar and miss it. We also sat through around 30 mins of adverts in a deserted cinema, after having paid £7.50 each for the privilege.

Also agree that the industries need to pull their socks up and move on. We're slowly getting there with music (Spotify, DRM-free music on iTunes et al, etc), but other media are way behind. An idea I have heard batted around quite often is that ISP's strike a content deal with providers, and allow users free access to movies and music. The cost of this can be offset by charging their subscribers a little extra per month; if you have 2 million subscribers all paying an extra £5 per month, that's £120 million a year. Even if it's not run by ISPs, then it's still a good model. Hell, I wouldn't mind paying an extra £20 a month for unfettered access to whatever movies & music I wanted (with 2 million subscribers, that's £480 million a year). Obviously the details of financing and licensing would have to be hammered out in full.

Either way, the ISP's have a part to play. Forget about disconnecting filesharers, because that's the way things are moving (iPlayer downloads use P2P, Spotify uses P2P, etc); if we don't get a massive overhaul to the infrastructure, the system as it stands simply won't cope with the ever-increasing traffic going through. ISPs already use draconian throttling measures to ensure quality of service (don't get me started on Virgin Media...). Our end-user bandwidth/speeds are way behind the rest of the world.

Besides, I remember reading that copyright infringement pre-dates the concept of copyright itself; apparently the practice of making unauthorised copies of books goes back 400 years. When you put it in that context, it's quite a big task to prevent it - so stop wasting money on it, we already have copyright laws.

EDIT: PS, for those who are interested in reading a long, ranty, rambling post which is not backed up by verifiable facts or evidence, I wrote up my opinion on "the music industry", DRM & the internets...

Until every tv show and film is available to download, immediately after release, at reasonable cost (ie not £8 for a 2hr film), the industry can shut the f*** up. They need to offer alternatives before they start wailing about P2P. I mean it when I say EVERY show as well - last night I had to try to find torrents for Charlie Brooker's Newswipe, because the bbc iplayer doesn't have it, just endless Two Pints and a Packet of Crisps shite.

If I'm paying for it, I want consumer of choice of who I'm buying it from too - I happily watch premiership football illegally on the net, as there's no way I'm giving money to Rupert Murdoch. If I could buy access from someone less evil I'd be happy to consider it.

Most people only dl movies cos they can. If ISP's started removing illegal filesharers, the most that will happen is that those dl'ing movies would not do it any more. It does not mean that the people who downloaded the 500,000 copies of the particular movie, would start going to the cinema.

It seems ludicrous to suggest this. Did people go to the cinema more when there was no internet? Of course they did, but the cinemas were not battling for market share with Sky, Virgin, Digital TV, Legitimate onlne Content, the rise of console gaming etc etc.

The movie industry needs to realise that they are not the draw they once were. Yes, people will download stuff of the interent cos they can, not cos they really want to.

Most people i know who download illegal stuff are data whores, most of which never gets listened to, watched or used.

I'm not saying its right, just that the reasons people are doing it are not as clear cut as the Media and Movie companies would lead us to believe.

Still, having said all that, If someone can be proved categorically to have downloaded illegal content, and the evidence presented is correct and survives scrutiny, then YES i think the industry has a right to protect itself.

Originally Posted by Veles
See the problem is, if they do decide to take this action, virtually everyone would have to be disconnected from the net, which would destroy the net industry, not only ISPs but .com businesses such as play and amazon UK.

For the little I steal through the internet, I buy a hell of a lot more than I probably wouldn't have done before.

I think the problem with the new Star Trek movie is that most of the people who would see it because it's Star Trek wont because they have heard how "****" it is and the normal movie going populace wont see it because it's Star Trek.

I try and buy whatever I can, but some things are downright impossible to get hold of in a reasonable time frame - TV shows are a prime example of this. I don't see why there is such a huge gap between what's aired in the US and what's aired here. I inevitably buy anything that I watch an entire season of (Scrubs, for example), but something like Birds of Prey, I'll see the pilot and won't.

I'd happily 'rent' the pilot episode via an itunes like service, so long as I could get it within 24 hours of the original air time I wouldn't even care if it had adverts in it. If I liked that, I'd likely be willing to 'subscribe' to the rest of the series, and probably end up buying the DVD collections. Will they do that? Hell no. Will I feel bad that they're not making as much money (Or in their words; losing money)? Nope.

Originally Posted by badders
Agree With Liratheal. We paid 3x8= £24 to go and see Star Trek at the Weekend.
For that money, I can buy it on Blu-Ray, And not have my GF's experience ruined by the fat bloke behind who can't keep his ****ing feet still.

I remember, not that long ago, when it was £3.50-£4 to see a film. At those prices we'd probably go twice a week. As it is, we might go 6-7 times a year.

I can wait the couple of months for films to come out on DVD, then get them on Lovefilm.

It's the Cinemas/movie industry itself that are killing the movie industry, not file sharers.

Best thing about a DVD/BR is you can pause it to nip to the toilet, or watch it over dinner or something. Oh, and be comfortable. Which is a massive bonus.

Originally Posted by liratheal
I'm sure it's been noted elsewhere, but the cinemas are empty these days. I went to see Star Trek this weekend - Mere days after launch, and christ on a stick - The place was deserted.

Our local Vue was rammed! Fully sold out and had been that way for a couple of days after the premiere! The industry (as said in the article above) needs to move with the times and stop dwindling around trying to stop something that is (at least for the time being) incapable of being policed..

Originally Posted by Kasius
Our local Vue was rammed! Fully sold out and had been that way for a couple of days after the premiere! The industry (as said in the article above) needs to move with the times and stop dwindling around trying to stop something that is (at least for the time being) incapable of being policed..

Oh really?

I guess it must be the area or something - I was at a Vue, too.

yeh the poor music industry and film industry thats been so so good to everyone over the years.

rite sure, screw them

i download alot of music but id never buy a cd anyway, id just as soon listen to the radio as play my ipod. i know radio pays rolalties or whatever but i def wudnt buy music

i go to the cinema once a week and yeh it could be a bit cheeper but , and i like pickin up dvds here and there when i see something at the right price, but dvds when they come out first are way too expensive. if they can afford to sell it for £5 in a year and still make a profit why should i pay the £15 pounds they charge now.

how can they wave the fingure at us the general public when they pay actors and musicians such ludacrus money. i say the music industry can go shove it let musicians make money from preforming not a week spent in a studio

there is also the detail of the economic crisis, and that people are preferring to eat instead of going to the movies!

Oh and another thing! :D

I will not DL Star Trek even though it is available on line, cos its a movie i want to see in the cinema! I have read reviews in magazines and listened to Wittertainment and all is good.

Crank2 on the other hand . . . . . .

:|

its also interesting how it seems to be purely P2P (read bit-torrent) thats being hounded. There are other ways to download content and at a damm sight faster speed as well.

As for the Cinema, im with Liratheal, if i can get it on BluRay im going to get it and enjoy the High Def-ness and surround sound in the comfort of my own home. Sure its nice to go out once in a while (make a night of it) but i dont do that as often as i suppose i should.

EDIT:: Spot on BradShort! I too will be buying the ST movie as soon as its out, I was hoping to download it before i had to leave for work so that id have somthing nice to watch when i was ticked off etc, but that wasnt to be (i left 2 hours before it was posted online).

Paying consumers don’t want to be treated like criminals and they want to be able to consume content as and when it is convenient for them to do so. There are many very legal and non-invasive ways for Internet users to consume content, wherever and whenever they want to – BBC iPlayer, Spotify and Steam to name but a few – and the rest of the industry frankly needs to get with the times.

This basically sums up my opinion.

Prices need to drop - I stopped going to the cinema quite a few years back because I wasn't impressed with the experience (loads of ads at the start, uncomfortable seating, some random fool who can't keep his gob shut or his feet still or his phone on silent or something, and finally the cost...) but equally I've decided that I'm gonna stop buying DVDs or Blu-rays until I see them in the bargain bin. I ain't that desperate to see the latest Hollywood blockbuster... which is probably crap anyway.

Also... worldwide simultaneous release of films and shows would be a good start - and release the disc a bit before an ice-age after the cinema release, too, please.

Thing is... I read what John Woodward says, and think, "Huh, odd, sounds like troubles that could be caused by a recession. And guess what? We're in recession. Next thing is, he'll be blaming the recession on piracy.

Nicholas Lansman sounds like he has his head on straight, though - we need the content providers to get their heads out of the 19th century and start giving us the content we want in a legal fashion, in a way that doesn't screw both our rights and our wallets.

I'd be prepared to pay... I dunno... £1 for a 30 minute show, £2 for an hour show... £5 for a film? Something like that. And it'd have to be in h264 with AAC high-bitrate audio in an MKV wrapper without any of this DRM nonsense. I would also be prepared to pay a slightly increased price for HD content... but no more than a 50% markup. Considering that an electronic copy doesn't cost them packaging (design or materials or volume or transport or storage) and doesn't require shelf space at a retailers... those seem like reasonable prices. Because the prices for some stuff now is utterly ridiculous - £16 for a DVD with four episodes on? £16 for a DVD with three episodes on? Some shows would cost more than £100 for 26 episodes at those prices! Are they having a laugh? Yes, unfortunately they are. All the way to the bank. Instead, I wait until said DVDs are on Amazon for ~£3 each (which happens fairly often and usually fairly quickly) and when that happens, you aren't telling me they're still making a profit. Or if you do, why charge such inflated prices to begin with?

...

But aside from everything else... I'd have thought the UK Govt. would have bigger worries at the minute. What with the expenses scandal fires only getting hotter...

Originally Posted by shigllgetcha
yeh the poor music industry and film industry thats been so so good to everyone over the years.

rite sure, screw them

i download alot of music but id never buy a cd anyway, id just as soon listen to the radio as play my ipod. i know radio pays rolalties or whatever but i def wudnt buy music

i go to the cinema once a week and yeh it could be a bit cheeper but , and i like pickin up dvds here and there when i see something at the right price, but dvds when they come out first are way too expensive. if they can afford to sell it for £5 in a year and still make a profit why should i pay the £15 pounds they charge now.

how can they wave the fingure at us the general public when they pay actors and musicians such ludacrus money. i say the music industry can go shove it let musicians make money from preforming not a week spent in a studio

As far as music is concerned, the traditional "industry" may not be the answer, but the important thing is giving recognition & remuneration to artists, and giving them a chance to get their music out there. Unfortunately, this utopian solution (whatever form it may take) is still a long way off.

I've spent quite a bit of time with local unsigned acts, and for many the dream is still to get signed by a label and record their material.

Originally Posted by shigllgetcha
yeh the poor music industry and film industry thats been so so good to everyone over the years.

rite sure, screw them

i download alot of music but id never buy a cd anyway, id just as soon listen to the radio as play my ipod. i know radio pays rolalties or whatever but i def wudnt buy music

i go to the cinema once a week and yeh it could be a bit cheeper but , and i like pickin up dvds here and there when i see something at the right price, but dvds when they come out first are way too expensive. if they can afford to sell it for £5 in a year and still make a profit why should i pay the £15 pounds they charge now.

how can they wave the fingure at us the general public when they pay actors and musicians such ludacrus money. i say the music industry can go shove it let musicians make money from preforming not a week spent in a studio

Music is a weird one. I love listening to it, but I can't bring myself to pay for it in a record store, at least not on launch.

Personally, I'd be happy sending money directly to the artist rather than buying the CD. If at all possible I buy directly from the artist - They get more of what they deserve for their effort. Not many bands do that yet, though.

Originally Posted by liratheal
Music is a weird one. I love listening to it, but I can't bring myself to pay for it in a record store, at least not on launch.

Personally, I'd be happy sending money directly to the artist rather than buying the CD. If at all possible I buy directly from the artist - They get more of what they deserve for their effort. Not many bands do that yet, though.

Indeed; a few bands have already experimented with this: Nine Inch Nails, Marillion, Radiohead (NIN seem to be quite on the ball)... But the average "garage band" doesn't currently have an effective way of self-promotion & distribution - all these other bands have already "made it", and have the money and infrastructure to experiment with this. The internet is a fantastic tool for this, but it needs a concerted effort to come up with a solution that works for artists.

Originally Posted by liratheal
Personally, I'd be happy sending money directly to the artist rather than buying the CD. If at all possible I buy directly from the artist - They get more of what they deserve for their effort. Not many bands do that yet, though.

Too right! Using the net as their PR and marketing front, bands and artists can get their creations out in the open and allow us, the consumers, to purchase directly from them, with all proceeds and fees going to them.

Obviously there is still much infrastructure to be developed (i.e., faster and more equal up/down speeds) but once that progresses, I really don't see why the record industry will be needed..?

Originally Posted by mmorgue
...but once that progresses, I really don't see why the record industry will be needed..?

And the recording industry is terrified of this, which is why they're kicking up such a stink about stuff... and signing groups into some fairly noose-tight contracts at times.

Paying consumers don’t want to be treated like criminals and they want to be able to consume content as and when it is convenient for them to do so. There are many very legal and non-invasive ways for Internet users to consume content, wherever and whenever they want to – BBC iPlayer, Spotify and Steam to name but a few – and the rest of the industry frankly needs to get with the times.

^^THIS^^

...forcing ISPs to disconnect them from the Internet if they ignore repeated warnings.

How/what constitutes a warning? What triggers one? Any P2P traffic?? Won't the people who get warned "repeatedly" just stop, you would have to be an idiot not to.

what really gets me about all of this is that major stars (hate the phrase but hey) demand $30 million dollars for a movie they then drop the cost of that onto us in the form of £8 cinema tickets £15 dvd's what the simple answer would be is to say hey your not worht $30mill anymore as we are not making as big a profit on your movies heres £10million (still obscene) the dvd's now cost £7.50 cinema £4

as for online content, whilst im happy to use steam i do worry about what would happen if valve went under would i lose all of my games? if say i got an account with movies online(for example) and i downloaded say 200 (which is a smaller amount than you may think) movies (probably near a grands worth of movies) from them and stored them in a nicely organised library then one day they went belly up would i lose them to a drm system that was no longer functional

lol, im not even going to get started on the govt cracking down on P2P people there...

Originally Posted by Paradigm Shifter
And the recording industry is terrified of this, which is why they're kicking up such a stink about stuff... and signing groups into some fairly noose-tight contracts at times.

which is part of the problem of living in a capitalist society. the people with the money are the people with the power. when something comes along to challenge that power they have the ability to fight back with more strength than anyone else.

think of the power of the worlds media companies over the last 10 years they have started to manipulate their power up to the point where they can pretty much print anything and get away with it.

if it was not for the power of the Riaa and MPaa the internet would have been used much quicker as a form of media distribution.

'' It is important to recognize that a major part of the solution lies in a licensing reform and the availability of legal content online."

I really don't see why this is so difficult for the industries concerned to realise this and embrace it. Music and film sales in shops are down because people want to by content online. It's usually cheaper, more efficient, better for the environment and a hell of a lot more convnient.

Originally Posted by Combatus
'' It is important to recognize that a major part of the solution lies in a licensing reform and the availability of legal content online."

I really don't see why this is so difficult for the industries concerned to realise this and embrace it. Music and film sales in shops are down because people want to by content online. It's usually cheaper, more efficient, better for the environment and a hell of a lot more convnient.

They probably do realise it, and probably realise that it'll take them a lot of time and effort to win back customers they've scared off, only to lead to them making slightly less money than they currently do.

As a member of the "film industry", if we had one, I'd like to distance myself as much as possible from the hopelessly predictable drivelling of the UKFC's underling-o-the-week.

The British film industry would do a lot better if the UKFC stopped promoting stuff that's so politically correct it's visible from orbit, meaningless "issue" movies that interest nobody.

That and the fact that we have no legal protection from overwhelming American film imports.

Going on about piracy while these two factors conspire to bugger us is rather ignoring the elephant standing in the corner.

I remember back in Germany we used to go to an English cinema in Frankfurt [10-15 people with me every week] to see the sneak preview of random movies. EUR 3.50 + 3 for the train. And we had boatloads of fun over there.
The next day we used to go to a German cinema in Offenbach [my hometown] and watch the German sneak preview. Another 3.50 and well worth it again.

Seeing two movies roughly 1 month before anybody else was great and if it's **** you don't really care because it was cheap.

Those were the days... make it that cheap again and I'll go back to the cinema more often.
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And please don't just try to blame BitTorrent for piracy. There are soooo many ways to download stuff today it's not even funny.
In my opinion BT gets blamed because it's what every single idiot on the planet knows how to use. It's being turned into the Kazaa/Morpheus of 2008/9. :(

Originally Posted by perplekks45
And please don't just try to blame BitTorrent for piracy. There are soooo many ways to download stuff today it's not even funny.
In my opinion BT gets blamed because it's what every single idiot on the planet knows how to use. It's being turned into the Kazaa/Morpheus of 2008/9. :(

spot on there sir,
for you some rep.

on a side note...
Combatus are you from the old CPC forum and as your name is in red you need to be feared for having mod status?

Cheers!

And it looks like he actually works for them.

remove internet from user = he never buy any real stuff agane (i would not) it just fuel local piracy as every one will just buy dvd movies from some one for £3, as i do not use p2p not really an problem unless thay come to me house and check (i do not sell dvds)

if you whent to every ones house in the uk (apart from +60 users) thay find something thay should not have

They definitely won't find an Oxford dictionary at your house though. Sorry, I just had to. :p

Anyways, I still think this'll be over pretty soon. Just like when they tried to blame any kind of recorder for the downfall of movies/music/software before. Cassettes didn't kill any of those. Nor did CDs, nor DVDs. They [whoever they are a.k.a. the people making money with the aforementioned media] just have to realize that maybe they can't keep trying to get more and more out of the people. There is a certain limit and it's over, no more money available.

It's all because of outdated distribution methods. Digital is the future. There is a series of videos on youtube called "Piracy is good" (I'll find a link when I get home - work has blocked youtube) which was a talk to the Australian Television Industry about how P2P can be used by the content providers and still make money.

1 suggestion was to put watermark advertising at the bottom of the screen and then release the content for free on P2P. "But I don't want ads you say." They're already there. Has anyone seen a downloaded episode of Scrubs/BSG/anything you care to mention and seen an NBC/FOX/BBC logo embedded in the corner (or worse - "Watch this new show tonight banners"). Replace these with the watermark ads and release them for free and we win (free shows) and the content providers win (revenue from advertising). The only problem then is that the TV stations and DVD distributors will complain. It's a case of too many people wanting a slice of the pie and the cost of the pie having to go up.

We want smaller pie costs with less slices thank you very much.

This?

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1B70A798BD5EC2E3

Originally Posted by badders
Agree With Liratheal. We paid 3x8= £24 to go and see Star Trek at the Weekend.
For that money, I can buy it on Blu-Ray, And not have my GF's experience ruined by the fat bloke behind who can't keep his ****ing feet still.

I remember, not that long ago, when it was £3.50-£4 to see a film. At those prices we'd probably go twice a week. As it is, we might go 6-7 times a year.

I can wait the couple of months for films to come out on DVD, then get them on Lovefilm.

It's the Cinemas/movie industry itself that are killing the movie industry, not file sharers.

yep families going to the movies it's murder on the wallet.. and it is the movie industry to blame for the higher ticket prices- you know 100% of the money you pay up front goes to paying off the actors and producers- the theater doesn't make any of it.. I was shocked to learn that- all the money they make is from the concession inside (why I don't cry about the 6 dollar hotdogs- I usually smuggle my own stuff in anyway)

I think piracy in the state it is today.. is pretty much out of control.. if you make it as easy as it is today to steal- it goes back to the monkey with the banana in front of his face

but disconnect people, that's going too far.. they need to get a grip on the reality of it all and figure out a way to profit- that's the thing.. the people upset over piracy don't really know anything other than craigslist, facebook, email and roid rage.. if they could come up with something worth while or even think outside the box (like apple did with music)

I mean we are paying for our broadband.. it's like pay tv- what your going to limit me to email on my 10mb connect? just so silly the way these groups work

Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
This?

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=1B70A798BD5EC2E3

That's the one.

Awesome presentation. A++. Would watch again.