FTC: "Net neutrality is no big deal"

"Pay to play? That's fine!" - Internet providers and big companies got their biggest support yet today.

We all know that the internet is a series of interconnected tubes (properly referred to as "tooooobes") filled with big trucks that were shrunk down by a really cool machine after getting loaded with data. These tubes apparently get clogged from time to time. Fortunately, in an effort to really help big corporations and "pay to play" tactics, the FTC released their statement on the issue this week: Net neutrality is no big deal.

If the tubes are clogged, you should just pay more and they will make everyone else's tubes more clogged to give you bigger ones. At least, that's the FTC's take on it all. According to the statement released by the Chairwoman Deborah Platt Majoras, congress should "proceed with caution" in regard to net neutrality, stating that she feels internet providers charging too much for bandwidth is an unlikely concern.

Though she did not go so far as to say that providers won't do such a thing, Majoras stated that if these problems did arise then they would be better handled under the (very slow-moving) anti-trust laws. Until such time as service providers begin to illustrate “market failure or demonstrated consumer harm, policy makers should be particularly hesitant to enact new regulation in this area.”"

Such statements are a huge victory for service providers like AT&T and Comcast Cable in the US, which want to charge more money to stream higher-bandwidth content like videos. This price would be levied on the host's end, not on the consumer - which would cause a split between the "haves" and "have nots" of site content. Currently, hosting is done simply on the amount of data exchanged, and no speed preference is given for one type of content or another.

Do you have a thought on the issue of net neutrality? Are you one who believes higher bandwidth sites should pay more? Join the community discussion here.
Quote specofdust 29th June 2007, 16:36
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that she feels internet providers charging too much for bandwidth is an unlikely concern.

Buwahahaha xD - Ok, give this lady a prize. She gets the "most halucinagens taken in a single hour running up to a press release" award. Every ISP on the planet is already overcharging for bandwidth that they refuse to give you if you actually try and make use of their "unlimted" services. What complete an utter idiocy. This makes me feel so much better about the incompetancy levels of British telecomms.
Quote DXR_13KE 29th June 2007, 17:40
i don't know if i laugh or if i crap my self.... no one is that blind and dumb.
Quote Flyingsheep 29th June 2007, 18:21
We're all doomed over here. Good bye internets...
Quote Veles 29th June 2007, 18:49
We're doomed everywhere :(
Quote Phil Rhodes 29th June 2007, 19:31
Bandwidth availability is determined, in the end, by how much the service providers are willing to spend on digging up streets and putting in cables.

It eludes me quite why this should not be paid for by the people who use it most.

Phil
Quote specofdust 29th June 2007, 19:35
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Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes
Bandwidth availability is determined, in the end, by how much the service providers are willing to spend on digging up streets and putting in cables.

It eludes me quite why this should not be paid for by the people who use it most.

Phil

No-one says that shouldn't be the case, it's just us net-neutrality proponents don't think that anyone should have to pay twice just to ensure their quality of service isn't retarded.
Quote Hells_Bliss 29th June 2007, 19:36
I wish I could vote, could we please get some technologically savvy politicians??! And no I don't mean hiring somebody to make you a myspace page.

We already pay a stupid amount for reasonable internet, I mean, the infrastructure is already in place, it follows the same lines as those that have been in place since the 70's (well cable at least) so I don't understand why I have to pay the same price again for TV and Internet, and whoever thinks the telco's won't gouge the consumer to an inch of their life if net neutrality goes the way of the dodo is on crack.
Quote Tyinsar 29th June 2007, 21:24
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Originally Posted by specofdust
Buwahahaha xD - Ok, give this lady a prize. She gets the "most halucinagens taken in a single hour running up to a press release" award. Every ISP on the planet is already overcharging for bandwidth that they refuse to give you if you actually try and make use of their "unlimted" services. What complete an utter idiocy. ...
Quoted for truth
Quote devdevil85 29th June 2007, 21:42
My girlfriend's family is already paying twice over for Comcast than what my family is for our TimeWarner service and it is a piece of s*it; their internet is always hickupping or it's down for a few hours and don't get me started on their TV service from them either (it gets countless communication errors and a b*tch to navigate through. The reason why I think it's the way it is: Comcast is the only provider in her neighborhood and they can only afford the most affordable package and because of this they constantly put up with slow bandwith and constant annoyances, yet my family because there are mutliple providers in our neighborhood offer us great, error-free service which you would have to pay an arm and a leg for where my girlfriend lives. I know the TV part has nothing to do with NetNeutrality, but it's still something I wanted to point out. Anyways, the internet should be neutral to whoever wants to use it. So what if you want to download tons of stuff and it takes up every last bit of your available bandwith, you paid for that service and they should charge you the same as someone who doesn't use it all up. I mean should they charge people more for watching more TV than their neighbor who isn't home everyday to watch it? The government needs to be smarter and be more for the consumer than for the service providers. The net needs to stay neutral. One word to describe why I think this has started popping up: BitTorrent.
Quote specofdust 29th June 2007, 21:49
No, this has started popping up because telecomms companies saw a way to make lots more money, namely by extorting big business into paying not only for its bandwidth from its own ISP, but paying every ISP it has customers with to not gimp its website in favour of other websites. If an ISP is legally allowed to say to a company like amazon "We're going to make your site take 1 minute to load each page, whereas your leading competitors have all paid up and are loading in 2.5 seconds" then what choice does amazon have but to pay up or perish? This is the only thing anti-net neutrality laws are for, to enable extortion of business in order that ISP's can make more money from people who can afford to pay the bribes. Extortion is illegal though, and thus net neutrality should be enshrined in law.
Quote proxess 30th June 2007, 00:16
What if ISPs actually stopped *cough*illegal*cough* throttling and lieing in their speed advertisements? "You get a 4mbit connectionz!" and in the end if your lucky enough to get 100kb/s your my hero.
Quote Fozzy 30th June 2007, 01:33
Providers will do what's best for business. If they charge more than people are willing to pay they will loose money because people will just drop the service. That's what free market is and that's why capitalism works. There is no concern here.
Quote DarkLord7854 30th June 2007, 03:19
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Originally Posted by Fozzy
Providers will do what's best for business. If they charge more than people are willing to pay they will loose money because people will just drop the service. That's what free market is and that's why capitalism works. There is no concern here.

Problem is, if ALL companies do it, then what are you going to do? Boycott the internet? :p
Quote completemadness 30th June 2007, 04:07
sadly the Internet is like a service, like your gas, phone or electricity

however, your Internet connection seems very overpriced, hell i think i pay more for the Internet then i do for electricity

though i have to wonder if throttling certain things (for example P2P) when the connection is contended, to allow important (things that cant wait) things to go through (like games, or voip) then that's OK

its better then the current situation where a number of providers just throttle your whole connection at peak times to make sure they don't get contended

of course, the best solution would just be to have an infrastructure that supports the speeds people want when there is high demand
You don't see the national grid supplying you with less power at peak times because it cant handle the load
Quote specofdust 30th June 2007, 08:14
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Originally Posted by Fozzy
Providers will do what's best for business. If they charge more than people are willing to pay they will loose money because people will just drop the service. That's what free market is and that's why capitalism works. There is no concern here.

You're wrong. Net neutrality protects against extortion. Extortion is illegal even in lazzaiz-faire capitalism. Most people won't drop services, they will simply shop where is fast. It ammounts to nothing more than suited gangsters destroying businesses that will not pay the bribe, and it is a concern.
Quote mclean007 30th June 2007, 10:59
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Originally Posted by specofdust
You're wrong. Net neutrality protects against extortion. Extortion is illegal even in lazzaiz-faire capitalism. Most people won't drop services, they will simply shop where is fast. It ammounts to nothing more than suited gangsters destroying businesses that will not pay the bribe, and it is a concern.
Yup, there are few enough players in the market, and the barrier to entry is sufficiently high, and internet presence is now so fundamental to almost any kind of business, that there is a real risk of the formation of price-fixing cartels
Quote ZERO <ibis> 30th June 2007, 11:26
Last time i checked we are in the information age. Now what is that big thing that is the center of the information age? Oh yea the internet, well if that is the most important thing in the information age it is kind of like how important steel oil and coal were in the industrial age. The government kept a close eye on those things because if they got out of hand people would just keep paying b/c they have no choice.

If the internet is allowed to be price fixed then it could very well destroy the economy. This is because, one businesses would lose money and raise their prices, two companies will cut jobs to save money, three people will be spending more in internet b/c in todays world you half to have it(just like oil) and people will have less money to spend. With less spending the econ will go deeper into defect and the system repeats it's self, prices go up and spending goes down until a total failure occurs.

The problem is that congress is not smart enough to realize how important the internet now is to the survival of our nation. How can a nation remain completive in the future if it allows the technology that that future is based on to be killed.
Quote ElZog 30th June 2007, 13:46
I'm sure if companies start charging for premium services to get faster access to websites competing with their product, some internet company will realise that all the net neutrality advocates will hate this and supply a service directed to us with homogenous connection. The company would make such an absolute mint doing this that hopefully the other companies would need to change back.
Quote DXR_13KE 30th June 2007, 14:27
money speaks louder than consumer complaints.
Quote C-Sniper 30th June 2007, 20:24
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
money speaks louder than consumer complaints.

money makes the world go round.
Why dont we just have a system like S. Korea where the government subsidizes all the internet so everyone has a good tooobe to connect on?
Quote specofdust 1st July 2007, 16:26
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Originally Posted by C-Sniper
money makes the world go round.
Why dont we just have a system like S. Korea where the government subsidizes all the internet so everyone has a good tooobe to connect on?

Because that'd be an evil commie thing to do and you live in a country that seems to pride itself on not being socialist :p

'tis a good system if the government aren't incompetant - which is why I wouldn't want it in the UK.
Quote Hells_Bliss 2nd July 2007, 02:59
but South Korea is a democracy...Hell, North Korea doesn't even have the internet :P
Quote specofdust 2nd July 2007, 09:13
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Originally Posted by Hells_Bliss
but South Korea is a democracy...Hell, North Korea doesn't even have the internet :P

That post makes no sense to me.
Quote mmorgue 2nd July 2007, 11:09
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Are you one who believes higher bandwidth sites should pay more?

Im already paying more for Virgin 20mbit download and the f**ker doesn't even work!

Virgin Status recording: "Those who have been upgraded to the 20meg XL package should note that they will be experiencing very slow download speeds at present...."

...sigh....
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