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Microsoft seeks to standardise the HD Photo

Microsoft seeks to standardise the HD Photo

Crab and Duck HD style? Maybe soon, if Microsoft has its say.

Al Gore may have invented the internet and Senator Stevens may have given it the tubes and trucks, but you need images for it to be any good. And that's why Microsoft is shooting to give you the new and improved HD Photo format, its answer to the JPEG. In fact, it's so sure you're going to like the format, it's pushing it to become a standard.

If you have somehow missed HD Photo, I'm not entirely surprised. The format is over a year old, originally pitched as part of the Windows Media formats (WMA and WMV). It fell rather flatly on its face, though, and many people blame the name. "Windows Media Photo" just doesn't sound like a standard - it sounds like a Windows product.

In order to change its bad-boy image (pardon the pun), Microsoft changed the format to HD Photo. It actually holds several important features including HDR, 32-bit color, and CMYK and other ICC profiles (aside from RGB, which is the only one that JPEG supports). Most importantly, though, its compression is considerably more efficient than JPEG.

Essentially, HD Photo contains everything that one would look for in a replacement for JPEG, which has started to really show its age. With the increased size of those tubes, bandwidth is no longer quite as much an issue. And thanks to some tremendous increases in both image capture and display technology, JPEG artifacts are beginning to become much more visible. The biggest problem Micrsoft is likely to face then is not its format, but its namesake - the guys over at Redmond have never been very good at playing nice with licenses, and are very capable of strong-arming the competition.

In spite of these worries, it seems that the new format is getting some traction. Adobe has added it to its Photoshop support, and it's rumoured that some digital camera makers are considering it as a result. Whether HD photo takes off or it inspires some hasty competition, though, one thing is clear - the dominance of the JPEG is drawing to a close.

Have you got a thought on the new format? Are you a photographer and have tried working with it? Do you even think JPEG needs replaced? Tell us your experiences in our forums.

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airchie 9th March 2007, 09:48 Quote
If its good and there's no license fees etc then I'm all for it.

Is it going to start having some sort of DRM in it in future you think?
samkiller42 9th March 2007, 11:38 Quote
I think jpeg should stay for a little longer, its BMP i dont like, could we be able to wave good bye to bmp do you think?

Sam
mikeuk2004 9th March 2007, 12:07 Quote
Well I cant retake my photos from the last 10 years so Jpeg will be with me for a very long time. Im all for it for a standard but I just hope that in 10, 20 years that I can still view my jpeg and the operating system still supports it, then im fine to move over the HD photo if the next digital camera i buy uses it which wont be for a few years yet as i only bought my 6mp Fuji F10 last year.
David_Fitzy 9th March 2007, 12:08 Quote
MS could just kickstart it by sticking support into IE6/7 and selling cheap licences for the latest photo/web packages or if they really wanted to make a difference they'd make it free (Har Har)
Darkedge 9th March 2007, 12:23 Quote
BMP has it's place, but programmers need to stop being bloody lazy and using it as a default format so it's only used when really needed, not just when people are muppets.

what is wrong as PNG as a replacement for JPG?
Skutbag 9th March 2007, 12:36 Quote
If it's quality you want, then RAW is the only way surely? Memory cards are so gosh darned cheap now it's hardly like size is an issue...
Sounds like a waste of time, would rather have JPEG v2 that was a more universal industry standard kind o thang.
Nature 9th March 2007, 15:19 Quote
A pox on your crabs (and, or) ducks.
DarkLord7854 9th March 2007, 16:29 Quote
Miss-spelled Microsoft near the end :p


New standard sounds good, and if it's more efficient then JPEG, then sure why not. I hate it when JPEG dulls out pictures I convert into it to put on the net >.<
Redbeaver 9th March 2007, 16:36 Quote
so its going to have a .HD extension or somethin? lol

byt he general rule of thumb, if its better, then im all for it..

but one of the post above mentioned DRM on pictures media possibility and that kinda scares me lol
DarkLord7854 9th March 2007, 16:43 Quote
Think it'll be more like .hdp (HD Photo)
Ramble 9th March 2007, 17:22 Quote
I don't think it's needed just yet. PNG works fine for now, and if a replacement with smaller file sizes was brought out that would be perfect.
rowin4kicks 9th March 2007, 17:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ramble
I don't think it's needed just yet. PNG works fine for now, and if a replacement with smaller file sizes was brought out that would be perfect.

i agree on the file sizes i have alot of large jpeg files that i am running out of places to store on a laptop
Javerh 9th March 2007, 17:44 Quote
PNG isn't really optimized to beat JPG. Will HD have an alpha-channel?
Ramble 9th March 2007, 18:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by Javerh
Will HD have an alpha-channel?

It said 32-bit colour in the article so I'm assuming that means 24-bit colour and 8-bits for the alpha channel.
smashie 9th March 2007, 23:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by Skutbag
If it's quality you want, then RAW is the only way surely? Memory cards are so gosh darned cheap now it's hardly like size is an issue...
Sounds like a waste of time, would rather have JPEG v2 that was a more universal industry standard kind o thang.

True on the quality, shame it isn't a standard. Different Canons have different format RAW files. :(
supermonkey 10th March 2007, 06:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skutbag
If it's quality you want, then RAW is the only way surely? Memory cards are so gosh darned cheap now it's hardly like size is an issue...
Sounds like a waste of time, would rather have JPEG v2 that was a more universal industry standard kind o thang.
I don't know about you, but I really don't want to wait for my browser to load a page full of 20-30 MB images. Raw is simply too big. And as smashie pointed out, there isn't just one Raw format out there. All the various camera manufacturers have their own proprietary formats. Raw formats are great for, well, raw photos that will be worked and processed and fiddled with.

What people are looking for here isn't necessarily the best quality image, but a better quality final output with equal or better compression than the current JPEG.

-monkey
DeX 10th March 2007, 12:16 Quote
It's about time jpeg was replaced. It's a pretty terrible format and its only remaining advantage is that it can compress photos pretty well. PNG is great for pretty much everything other than photos. Its lossless compressions is just too inefficient for photos.

With Microsoft backing this new format it has a better chance of becoming standard. Lets face it, open formats just don't work. Why do people use gifs when PNGs are much better and free? Why do people still spend loads for the right to encode mp3s when OGG is better and free? Microsoft will hopefully push the format out enough to get enough manufacturers to take it up.
bilbothebaggins 10th March 2007, 14:43 Quote
Wasn't there something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JPEG_2000 ... now I'm no expert whatsoever on image formats, but I don't quite see why we need yet another image standard. (Coming from M$ at that.)
DeX 10th March 2007, 18:54 Quote
HD Photo is better than JPEG-2000. It's also designed to work well with portable devices. It also offers lossless compression so it's a good potential replacement for PNG or even RAW. How could you not see the need for a new image format when this offers all of those things?
Robotrix 11th March 2007, 23:40 Quote
Since it's better than JPEG and offers more efficient compression I don't see any particular reason why Microsoft shouldn't be pushing it as the new de-facto standard for photos.
bilbothebaggins 12th March 2007, 12:27 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Robotrix
Since it's better than JPEG and offers more efficient compression I don't see any particular reason why Microsoft shouldn't be pushing it as the new de-facto standard for photos.

I, in a purely subjective way, see three points why I'm not liking this:
* M$
* pushing
* "de-facto" as opposed to "standard"

When M$ starts pushing they often succeed and often I think the result is rather suboptimal ...

whatever 002
- btb -
traderonline 12th March 2007, 22:07 Quote
it is always better to have new formats :)
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