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USC students are a bunch of pirates - RIAA

USC students are a bunch of pirates - RIAA

According to the RIAA, the University of South Carolina has rather serious piracy problems.

According to the RIAA, the University of South Carolina is one of the worst colleges for piracy in the US.

The RIAA sent the institution over 900 copyright infringement notices over the course of the last year. Comparatively, the next highest number of notices received by a college in South Carolina was Clemson, which received only 71 notices in the last year.

It's reported that USC is in talks with the RIAA, discussing changes that it can make to its technology policies. These could include notices to students about illegal file sharing, stricter file sharing limits and university payment to a legal file sharing service that students at USC can use.

"We are 100% committed to obeying the letter and spirity of the law, but we can't be the network police all the time," said Bill Hogue, USC's Chief Information Officer. He claimed that "Trying to police [over 900 infringements] is expensive, time consuming, and the rules keep changing."

"We target the illegal activity, not individual student populations. It's as simple as that," stated an RIAA spokeswoman. The spokeswoman declined to comment on whether USC received the highest number of infringement notices in the US, but she did say that the university was among those who had received the most.

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DXR_13KE 29th January 2007, 12:15 Quote
they can start removing every network connection, every usb connection, every cd and dvd recorder of every pc in USC, that way they can marginally lower piracy
DougEdey 29th January 2007, 12:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
they can start removing every network connection, every usb connection, every cd and dvd recorder of every pc in USC, that way they can marginally lower piracy

But I listen to the songs in my head! I'm a pirate! They're going to steal my brainzzzz.

Told you the MPAA/RIAA were zombies.
samkiller42 29th January 2007, 12:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
they can start removing every network connection, every usb connection, every cd and dvd recorder of every pc in USC, that way they can marginally lower piracy

But isnt that taking it too far?

Sam
saxman 29th January 2007, 13:28 Quote
I being in one right now known for piracy I know that it is a problem on college campuses. many students never having a computer or a high speed connection before almost don't know what to do with it. So they steal things. The scary thing is it doesn't stop with music. Here anything is up for grabs. Music, Videos, Programs, just about anything that can be put on a computer. No matter what the admins attempt to do piracy will exist as long as there are computers on campus.
Mankz 29th January 2007, 13:37 Quote
Crickey...

They think USC is bad, they should come to Eton!

There used to be something called simply 'The Network' which was a 1Tb Data Server that was basically filled with all the pron, games, movies, music ect. that you could ever dream of. However, that 'supposedly' **cough, cough** got shut down the year before I came.
rupbert 29th January 2007, 13:44 Quote
I'm not sure how American University networks are run, however here in the UK we (Library Board) force proxy authentication for any machine that connects to the network, including mobile devices.

We have hardware monitoring every piece of traffic sent, and it can be traced back to the machine that the requests came from (mac filtering, dns resolution etc...).

Now unless USC have a similar setup, which I'm assuming they don't, it will be next to impossible for them to target and punish individual students.

Can anyone in an American University just bring a wireless laptop and connect anonymously, is there is some sort of network authentication procedure?

If it's the former then I'm surprised it's this low.
Firehed 29th January 2007, 14:17 Quote
I'm at school right now, connected with my MBP to OpenWireless (whereas most other people are connected to Babson with their school-provided Thinkpad). So, no, there's no authentication. At least not here. The wired/private wireless networks manage to block out at least bit-torrent traffic (at least unencrypted stuff, IIRC), although most people here seem to use LimeWire without issue. Well... by "issue", I mean traffic problems, not spyware and C&D letters.

Although the whole network's been really flaky since we got back from Xmas break. I think that's unrelated though, even if it does seem worse when I have my bit-torrent client of choice open. I mean, those 200+ tracked GBs didn't seed themselves, did they?
DXR_13KE 29th January 2007, 14:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by samkiller42
But isnt that taking it too far?

Sam

please hear what they forced MS to do to vista and come and say that again.

edit:
a little off-topic: http://mafiaa.org/
scifi3018 29th January 2007, 15:49 Quote
I go to clemson, and i can say that were proud to be better than our nemis USC in one more field (being less of a target for the RIAA).

Clemson has its fair share of piracy, however most of the students use 'on-campus' alternatives as opposed to bit-torrent, and p2p networks. This keeps the RIAA involvement to a minimum on our side.

Apparently our rivals dont know this :)
Tyinsar 29th January 2007, 16:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by rupbert
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Can anyone in an American University just bring a wireless laptop and connect anonymously, is there is some sort of network authentication procedure?

If it's the former then I'm surprised it's this low.
The former is definitely an open door for trouble of many kinds.
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Originally Posted by saxman
I being in one right now known for piracy I know that it is a problem on college campuses. many students never having a computer or a high speed connection before almost don't know what to do with it. So they steal things. The scary thing is it doesn't stop with music. Here anything is up for grabs. Music, Videos, Programs, just about anything that can be put on a computer. No matter what the admins attempt to do piracy will exist as long as there are computers on campus.
Obviously they're not teaching ethics (though I'd hope most people have some good ethics before they get there). And this is "the future"? :(

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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
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edit:
a little off-topic: http://mafiaa.org/
Bwahahaha
samkiller42 29th January 2007, 16:48 Quote
My college (Chichester College or CCOAST) is about to set up a wireless access point in our dinning area :D woot, free internet, but i bet you will need a novel client program to connect to the servers to connect to our work and the internet, heh, that would be quite funny though, printing something from the dinning room into a room on the far side of the college :D
There would be a constant stream of people collecting there work from the many printers in the college, haha.

Sam
Kipman725 29th January 2007, 17:06 Quote
meh I have seen file sharing done over port 80 through a proxy server that checked the data was web traffic. Most impresive hack ever (although it did require an off site pc with internet connection). Point is that there is no way of securing a computer system with an internet connection. ever.
rupbert 29th January 2007, 17:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by Kipman725
meh I have seen file sharing done over port 80 through a proxy server that checked the data was web traffic. Most impresive hack ever (although it did require an off site pc with internet connection). Point is that there is no way of securing a computer system with an internet connection. ever.

The above is a nice trick, but it wouldn't get past our systems :)
Nova 29th January 2007, 17:32 Quote
I am also a clemson student. The University of South Carolina is a our biggest rival. they are known as USC but please do not confuse them with the University of Souther California, 2 totally different schools on different sides of the country.

we have an on campus network that holds movies, tv shows, music, programs and more, but it can only be accessed from the campus network. once you are hand approved with university email.

i also torrent on my own for what i want that i usually then add to the general good server. port 80 is the only decent one to use with the rest of the internet traffic. upload speeds very between 400k and 1.6 megs.

other programs like mytunesredux and limewire are also used rabidly.

the wireless network is secured. during the first few weeks you must login with university assigned id name and pass word. during other times you have to have the wep key (which is widely known through the computer savy of campus) and then also log in and validate and take an oath sign over your children and such...
randosome 29th January 2007, 18:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by rupbert
The above is a nice trick, but it wouldn't get past our systems :)
cant you just make an encrypted tunnel back to your home PC

therefore, although you would know a certain student is using x bandwidth, its all encrypted - and through 1 port so you wouldn't know what it is
bilbothebaggins 29th January 2007, 19:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by rupbert
... however here in the UK we (Library Board) force proxy authentication for any machine that connects to the network, including mobile devices.

We have hardware monitoring every piece of traffic sent, and it can be traced back to the machine that the requests came from (mac filtering, dns resolution etc...).

...
Ah yes. The oh so Great Britain. The country with 4.5 million CCTVs. The country where they start to cctv children in primary school. Monitoring every piece of ... life.

specofdust 29th January 2007, 20:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by bilbothebaggins
Ah yes. The oh so Great Britain. The country with 4.5 million CCTVs. The country where they start to cctv children in primary school. Monitoring every piece of ... life.


Indeed, the power to abuse exists everywhere, and yet we experience little abuse of it using that power. Conversely, in certain other first world countries(one in particular) the power to abuse isn't nearly so pervasive, and yet the abuse is far more common and widespread.
Cthippo 29th January 2007, 22:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tyinsar
Obviously they're not teaching ethics (though I'd hope most people have some good ethics before they get there). And this is "the future"? :(


You would have a hard time convincing a lot of people that filesharing IS unethical. The **AAs would have yu believe that any time you're not paying them for each time you listen to the music you paid for, you're breaking the law and comitting a carndinal sin, etc etc. My belief is that sharing for private use is not wrong, regardless of what the law may say. Unless someone is trying to sell copyrighted material, then I have no problem with it.
cpemma 29th January 2007, 23:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cthippo
You would have a hard time convincing a lot of people that filesharing IS unethical.
I think you'd have a very easy time finding people who think making your music available via the internet to absolutely anybody who wants a copy goes far beyond running a copy or two off for friends. That's all that happened in the days of tape and nobody was bothered.

I mean, if everybody got their music free there'd be no commercial music.
specofdust 29th January 2007, 23:46 Quote
Well you say that, but it's not demonstrably true. However, what we can acknowledge is that artists and companies can make money from ticket sales and merchandise.
Tyinsar 29th January 2007, 23:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cthippo
You would have a hard time convincing a lot of people that filesharing IS unethical....
True. -Your comments remind me of the December 15 2005 column by Chris Caines (link).

My statement was a response was to: "Here anything is up for grabs. Music, Videos, Programs, just about anything that can be put on a computer." While I agree that the **aa are going to far I'm sure it's not ethical to pirate "just about anything that can be put on a computer".

Edit: started my post, left the computer, finished my post & posted it only to see that others have made the point and perhaps better than I did ;)
Cthippo 29th January 2007, 23:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by cpemma
I think you'd have a very easy time finding people who think making your music available via the internet to absolutely anybody who wants a copy goes far beyond running a copy or two off for friends. That's all that happened in the days of tape and nobody was bothered.

Oh? I seem to remember the **AAs yelling about how "home taping is killing music". And now, as then, I hear the **AAs screaming about piracy, but in general not the bands themselves. Thye don't make their money on selling music but rather on the live performances. No one is going to not go to a show because they downloaded the CD, but it is very possible that they will go to see a band they downloaded but would never have paid for a CD from. As I see it, pirating is good for bands, but bad for the **AAs, and I don't feel one bit bad about that.
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Originally Posted by cpemma
I mean, if everybody got their music free there'd be no commercial music.

Perhaps you're right, and to that I say "So what?". There will always be music, as long as there are people who enjoy making music and people who enjoy listening to it. Originally music was marketed by word of mouth, then bands started marketing themselves with paper leaflets after the printing press was finally invented. People would pay to see bands that were good and musicians made a living playing. This was not commercial music as we lknow it today. It wasn't until the advent of the vinyl recod that a formal distribution system becam necessary and I would argue that was the birth of commercial music. As an industry it was necessary to distribute and promote music across a broader ausience than the artists could do themselves.

The internet has made the distribution function of commercial music largely obselete. Now any band can record an album and promote themselves globally from their basement. There is still a need for boking agents to arrainge shows, but that is only a byproduct of commercial music.

I guess my point is that filesharing may well be the death of commercial music, but can't see that as a bad thing.
randosome 30th January 2007, 00:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by cpemma
I think you'd have a very easy time finding people who think making your music available via the internet to absolutely anybody who wants a copy goes far beyond running a copy or two off for friends. That's all that happened in the days of tape and nobody was bothered.

I mean, if everybody got their music free there'd be no commercial music.
As much as I've thought about it:- Although I'm probably never going to buy a CD as long as DRM exists, the music industry does need to make money (i know we all hate them) and piracy is ILLEGAL - there just isn't a defence against it
However, i do believe if the industry's (game, music & film) changed the way they treat their users, perhaps piracy levels would fall

I mean, why should i go buy BF2142 for full price, while EA earn money off the Ad's, why should i buy WoW and then have to pay a monthly sub
Make a choice guys, its one or the other, you cant have your cake and eat it and expect users to roll over
Tyinsar 30th January 2007, 00:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cthippo
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The internet has made the distribution function of commercial music largely obselete. Now any band can record an album and promote themselves globally from their basement. There is still a need for boking agents to arrainge shows, but that is only a byproduct of commercial music.

I guess my point is that filesharing may well be the death of commercial music, but can't see that as a bad thing.
The next step in the music industry would for them to charge HUGE fees to radio stations, MTV, etc. This in turn would lead to more advertising (or higher fees on satellite radio) and eventually kill the medium that way. The old record store would be dead. Concerts would cost a Fortune. Artists / Bands that don't tour like crazy would die out. ...

The death of the music industry as we know it would have to be somewhat planned or the cure might be worse than the disease.
doowah 30th January 2007, 01:33 Quote
Here's some music exempt from the RIAAA....
Linux Rocks, Windoze Sucks
http://www.ijigg.com/songs/770EAPAG
ClearCaseMan 30th January 2007, 03:22 Quote
Well, aint this a pickle. everytime we make the news it is for stuff like this, why cant we make the news because of something good? yes filesharing is a huge issue but it just tears me up that everytime SC makes the news it is for stuff like this. it makes me want to leave this ditchwater state...
Cthippo 30th January 2007, 04:17 Quote
Don't feel bad, CCM, it's true for everywhere. No one wants to hear good news.
antiHero 30th January 2007, 07:00 Quote
And another reason not to buy/download "Pop Music". They whole thing is just bad for the industry. My favority Artist "T.Raumschmiere" once sad that he dosnt care about if his music gets put on the internet and everyone downloads it. I dont know how it is in other genres but in electronic music artists make there money from Tours and Gig`s.
Just ban CD`s all toghether and lets go back on Vinyl.
Makes Copying harder :D
borandi 8th February 2012, 16:07 Quote
RIAA/MPAA won't go and submit notices to Stanford. Why? Stanford Law School.
specofdust 8th February 2012, 16:17 Quote
Please do not necro threads like this. It's pointless. If you have something to say about the topic 5 years after it's been discussed, start a new thread. If it doesn't merit a new thread, it probably doesn't merit being said.
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