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First pirated HD DVD movie now on torrent

Published on 17th January 2007 by Ryan Garside

Soon you'll be able to see Jenna in HD. How good will that be?

Ars Technica is reporting that the movie ‘Serenity’ is the first of the high definition discs to be pirated with copies of it now available illegally through BitTorrent.

The movie, which weighs in at a whopping 19.6 GB, is available as an .EVO file and should work on most DVD playback software. In real man's terms this would equate to a 55 hour download if you were able to achieve 100kb/s speeds. Whether people will be happy to spend that amount of time downloading a movie is debatable, what isn't however is that the program used to the rip the HD DVD, BackupHDDVD, will probably have a short life span.

Currently the program exploits a hole in one of the main DVD software players – the question of which one, however, remains a mystery. Until they can work out how BackupHDDVD is working they won’t actually be able to stop it.

In other high definition related news, Daily Tech is reporting that both HD DVD and Blu-ray will both have adult content. Recently there has a been a lot of debate over whether Sony would allow adult movies on its Blu-ray discs – with some suggesting that Disney, a supporter of Blu-ray and Sony, was putting weight on the company to steer clear of pornography.

Now, Steven Hirsh, founder of adult movie production company, Vivid Entertainment Group, is claiming that the porn movies will be released on both Blu-ray and HD DVD. Not only will the movies be in high definition but they’ll also offer you multiple viewing angles, could you ask for more?

“The quality of the two releases should be the same. We believe, however, that Vivid is not only the first to offer a movie in both HD DVD and Blu-ray formats, but also the first to offer in these formats with multiple angle options.”

The importance of the adult movie industry in deciding which disc will come out on top can’t be stressed enough. The adult industry generates billions of dollars on a yearly basis and definitely has a certain amount of sway factor in deciding who wins in the war of the disc. The question of whether people really want high-definition porn, to be able to actually see all the imperfections on the ‘beautiful’ porn stars' bodies, hasn’t yet been raised.

What is clear now though, is that high definition discs are being torrented and that Blu-ray hasn’t shunned the porn industry. Shouldn't be too long till the first high-def porn appear on torrent...

Would you spend 55 hours downloading a high-def movie? Let us know in the forums.

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orb 17th January 2007, 10:33

Looking at my sources theres a few of them out..

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Miami Vice, Superman Returns, Pitch Black, The Mummy, Batman Begins, The Chronicles of Riddick, Serenity..

I just wish there was a good way to burn them and the media and burner wasn't so expensive :(

quack 17th January 2007, 10:43

You know you could buy them... just a thought. ;)

orb 17th January 2007, 10:44

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Originally Posted by quack
You know you could buy them... just a thought. ;)

I actually own every HD-DVD movie released, I support the HD-DVD format over Blu-Ray, but I don't want to dip my hands in ripping them myself

Mother-Goose 17th January 2007, 10:51

My friends a p0rn star, i'll ask her what she thinks.

(btw, no im not kidding, she was a pole dancer at uni for the money lol, FILTHY girl)

mclean007 17th January 2007, 10:57

BackupHDDVD will probably survive just fine - as I understand it, it simply implements the open decryption standard in the AACS system. It doesn't do the crucial step of cracking the decryption key from the disc - it has to be fed the key. So I suspect that BackupHDDVD will remain the tool for ripping the disc, but that the key-crack currently used (using a software player and a memory snooper, as I understand) will be defeated and a new method will have to be found.

Firehed 17th January 2007, 11:04

Uhm... so... will AutoGK transcode these to usable XviD files?

Leitchy 17th January 2007, 11:19

The interrnett is for poorrnnn.

Thankfully hard disk price vs capacity is coming down....

ralph.pickering 17th January 2007, 11:21

I suppose there will be people who will download them if it gets around the problem of ICT flags and televisions with no HDCP support. I, for one, won't be buying into HD-DVD or Bluray for a while, as my 24" Dell screen doesn't have the necessary support - it's the old version. Still, from 10 feet away, is my life going to be missing that crucial something just because I don't have HD? Probably not. And I don't have the hard disk space for 19Gb movies.

mclean007 17th January 2007, 11:40

shame Serenity sucks suck big time ass! No way would I waste 55 hours or 20GB of disk space on that trash.

Veles 17th January 2007, 12:00

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Originally Posted by Article
Shouldn't be too long till the first high-def porn appear on torrent...

That already happened quite a while ago actually, not that I'd know anything about that kind of stuff :p

TBH I'm perfectly happy "backing up" a normal DVD if it means 55 hour download to "backup" a HD movie.

quack 17th January 2007, 12:01

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Originally Posted by orb
I don't want to dip my hands in ripping them myself

Why not? Surely that's quicker than downloading a copy which might end up being damaged/a fake?

Springs 17th January 2007, 12:03

i wounder if they will create new codecs to encode hd content into something more managable.. tbh i wouldnt want to sit around for 55+ hours for a hd film to d/l... only people with massive connections will only bother d/l these

could this be a new way to stop people d/l films? make em sooo big no one will want them..

ajack 17th January 2007, 12:04

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Originally Posted by Firehed
Uhm... so... will AutoGK transcode these to usable XviD files?

I hope you're joking ;)

mmorgue 17th January 2007, 12:26

As much as I would like to see an HD DVD movie on my machine at home, regardless of the time it would take to download, I actually *do* support the industry in that i buy all my dvd's. Only one's I download are the immediate releases that don't make it to the UK as when they're out in the US <grumble>.

Heh, the poor parents who pay for basic broad band and find their monthly allotted usage is triple exceeded when little johnny leaves his torrents on all day and nite.. :)

Buzzons 17th January 2007, 12:26

100kb/s isnt that bad, and with maxDSL in the UK the average is between 200 and 400 kb/s so anywhere fro 24 hours to 12 hours -- not at all bad, when you think that people were downloading DVDRs on dial up etc a few years back.

Serenity looks amazing in HD though, and well worth the time to get it if you can. Or go and buy it as the film rocks so much :)

furqan 17th January 2007, 12:31

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Originally Posted by Buzzons
100kb/s isnt that bad, and with maxDSL in the UK the average is between 200 and 400 kb/s so anywhere fro 24 hours to 12 hours -- not at all bad, when you think that people were downloading DVDRs on dial up etc a few years back.

Serenity looks amazing in HD though, and well worth the time to get it if you can. Or go and buy it as the film rocks so much :)

Yeah I think most people who would actually download stuff would have a faster internet connection than be limited at 100kb/s... more like 1.2mb/s :)

Phil Rhodes 17th January 2007, 12:39

I guess it won't be long before we're all free to spend ninety months downloading a movie we could buy for a fiver.

Then find it's the Polish dub with Latvian subtitles.

I have, experimentally, tried pirating movies with emule. I've yet to get anything I'd actually want to watch, and that's got nothing to do with the resolution of the image.

Phil

Veles 17th January 2007, 12:43

You do have the slight problem that this is bit torrent we're talking about, and no matter how many Mb/s you get, it's limited by the seeders.

mikeuk2004 17th January 2007, 13:06

This is old. I downloaded a Pron HD DVD a couple of months ago. Took along time but worth it :)

orb 17th January 2007, 13:36

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Originally Posted by quack
Why not? Surely that's quicker than downloading a copy which might end up being damaged/a fake?

They don't take that long to download on a 30/30 ;) I just find it easier then going through the trouble learning to rip and get the keys myself

Iago 17th January 2007, 14:41

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Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes
I have, experimentally, tried pirating movies with emule. I've yet to get anything I'd actually want to watch, and that's got nothing to do with the resolution of the image.

Then you are doing something not quite right. I can find any movie, whether in .mpg, .wmv, .avi or the full DVD in minutes, if not seconds. And that without counting the myriad sites that offer and advertise the latest "release" and give the eLink.

Not trying to be an ass, mind you...it's just that I think it's very difficult to beat the convenience and ease of use of eMule or BitTorrent. Until the studios find a way to replicate it and sell digital downloads sans DRM, p2p will flourish.

I have too donwloaded high resolution rips of The Lord of the Rings with mixed results (in .avi format). The Fellowship looked astonishing on my 20' Dell...the Two Towers and Return of the King looked 'meh'...exactly like the DVD but on a 3 Gb file. Anyway, for people donwloading with eMule and the like...HD-DVDs are not yet there. You can easily find 1.5 - 3Gb Xvid files with great resolution...the extra image quality a full HD-DVD rip would give you is barely noticeable for such an increase in size. And people (not me thogh, I have limits) who are already donwloading Cam recorded movies don't seem to care that much about extreme quality.

orb 17th January 2007, 15:16

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Originally Posted by Iago
Then you are doing something not quite right. I can find any movie, whether in .mpg, .wmv, .avi or the full DVD in minutes, if not seconds. And that without counting the myriad sites that offer and advertise the latest "release" and give the eLink.

Not trying to be an ass, mind you...it's just that I think it's very difficult to beat the convenience and ease of use of eMule or BitTorrent. Until the studios find a way to replicate it and sell digital downloads sans DRM, p2p will flourish.

I have too donwloaded high resolution rips of The Lord of the Rings with mixed results (in .avi format). The Fellowship looked astonishing on my 20' Dell...the Two Towers and Return of the King looked 'meh'...exactly like the DVD but on a 3 Gb file. Anyway, for people donwloading with eMule and the like...HD-DVDs are not yet there. You can easily find 1.5 - 3Gb Xvid files with great resolution...the extra image quality a full HD-DVD rip would give you is barely noticeable for such an increase in size. And people (not me thogh, I have limits) who are already donwloading Cam recorded movies don't seem to care that much about extreme quality.

Sorry..what? Barely noticable increase in quality? Lets see

640x380? Or something along the lines of a retail dvd, down sample that for a 3gb xvid rip. Sure the size is big, but this is 2007, I'm not so sure about England but alot of the country is rolling on 8/1 minimum, and lucky people (me included) have access to 100/100+

1920x1080 full quality no sampling with perfect sound?

No quality diffrence? Must be having a laugh buddy, have you seen pictures of HD material? Let me show you some fresh from the serenity hd-dvd

http://mitch.pingtimeout.net/random/serenity1.PNG
http://mitch.pingtimeout.net/random/serenity2.PNG
http://mitch.pingtimeout.net/random/serenity3.PNG

Iago 17th January 2007, 15:50

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Originally Posted by orb
No quality diffrence? Must be having a laugh buddy, have you seen pictures of HD material? Let me show you some fresh from the serenity hd-dvd

Granted, the only HD I've seen is 720p trailers from Apple in my monitor (Dell 20') but I didn't notice much difference with several HD rips (XVid) files available in eMule from quite some time now.

Still I don't care...I'm not jumping to HD players nor TV sets yet. I only wanted to say that for most people d/l with eMule, there's quality enough in DVD rips that from 1.5 gb donwloads and upwards you rapidly reach a point of diminishing returns.

oasked 17th January 2007, 15:58

Not many people are going to download full disc-images of HD content, pretty much like most people don't download full DVD-images, they are much more likely to download a XVid file of 700mb.

HD content has been available for a while - particularly in terms of US TV. 24 Season 5 was available just after airing in 720p with 5.1 audio. Yes, it did look good, but not massively over the DVD.

JazX101 17th January 2007, 16:02

No matter how much security they put on something, it will get broken. For the kudos of being the one to break it if nothing else. Perhaps if said companies stopped charging over-inflated prices then people would be more inclined to buy genuine stuff??
POV: HD porn will mean greater risk of getting stuck in male arse when zooming lol

Jaz_knos

Smilodon 17th January 2007, 17:41

I buy all my DVDs. I have one downloaded one, but that is because i just can't find it for sale anywhere. There is a noticeable difference between the compressed files ( i have seen several ripped DVDs that i have later bought) and i think the money it cost for a DVD is worth the increase in quality. (if you can wait a couple of months the movies get pretty cheap).

If you are lucky enough to find a DVD rip online wich is in full quality, you still have to buy a DL DVD-R disc. wich is about half the price of a original movie. And on the original one you get the (correct!) cover aswell.

When time comes i will buy a HD dvd and/or bly-ray player, as long as the movies stay at about the same price. (let's face it, the media doesn't cost much more to produce, and the cost of making a movie is the same as if it was on DVD).

OT: Does anyone else just HATE the damn cardboard covers they put on some movies? They look ugly, gets quickly worn and doesn't have the same size as a plastic cover.

TheColdLord 17th January 2007, 18:26

HD porn? Not really that interesting....It was and always will be inevitable for something to brake if it can be broken.....(Murphy). Anyway 19GB is way off....no way the q is worth that extra 13GB...I will just lay back wait and see what will happen further :P

DXR_13KE 17th January 2007, 19:53

wont download that much..... in the future.... when i get a job i guarantee i will get original media. :D

Sord_Fish 17th January 2007, 20:06

Whoah thats big!

Has there been any scene rules made for HD content yet?

blade_10w40 17th January 2007, 20:30

Seed!

In all honesty the movies that are coming up are all shite. There's nothing in that list I'd want to download.

Also neither how BackupHDDVD works or what player the keys are being hacked from is a secret. The BackupHDDVD source code comes with program. And as has been said before it just uses the AASC open decryption process. The keys on the other hand were ment to be hard to get but as soon as one was out they were flying. Here's a quick rundown...

13th January
00.26
Doom9 forum member posts a link to a Pastbin post http://pastebin.com/853659 that contains a riddle to find the 1st title key in the wild. The key turns out to be genuin and for the move Serenity. It is apparently the 2nd Tittle Key.

02.54
Another Doom9 forum member posts all 11 tittle keys for Surenity and all 8 for KingKong. From the 1st post of a tittle key on Doom9 it took 2 and a half hours for Janvitos to post this. That is very impressive, although this was slightly more impressive.

03.05
The same Doom9 forum member posts the Volume keys for Serenity, KingKong and 12Monkeys. This made it possable to rip these movies with a single Volume Key rather than however many title keys (the AASC spec allows up to 64 tittle keys for a single movie).

Thing is there's more than just one program the keys can be gained from. Only one has been posted as working so when it get's banned by AASC the next one will be used. And as we've already got a lode of the codes it should be as simple as looking for those codes in the new software players, as best I understand it. That is unelss they ban those versions of the HDDVDs which will piss off everyone that bought them.

LockmanX 17th January 2007, 22:47

"There's still no clear winner in the wars of the disc."

Sure there is and this thread proves it. Piracy. Huge files or not, its the most convenient way of getting content. Blue-Ray and HD-DVD are DRM ridden nightmares that nobody would deal with if there was a hassle-free alternative.

Phil Rhodes 18th January 2007, 01:27

To further my above complaints about the general state of piracy, I find the usual problem with it is that it's very fashion-obsessed - if you want anything that's been out on DVD more than a matter of weeks, you're stuffed. I tried (since I own the DVD, before the attack lawyers are let off the lead) looking for the dismal Owen Wilson vehicle "Behind Enemy Lines." The only one that came up in emule search that wasn't marked as being in a foreign language took nine days to download (never at more than 5k a second) and turned out to be a very, very bad Russian dub.

Who the hell wouldn't just go and buy the disc? Nine days? Christ. I mean, I don't want to come off as an RIAA shill here, and the way we're fleeced in the UK would be laughable if only it weren't reality, but really - ninety plus percent of pirate material is unwatchable junk which takes an age to get and looks crap once it gets here.

Please, Universal, Paramount, et al - wise up, I'd love to pay you for your movie, but unless it's available on DVD, I can't. How much of a back-catalogue do these people have languishing in the vaults that aren't worth stamping up on disc because the interest isn't there, which they could encode (carefully!) and make available online for minimal investment?

I guess I'll spend the money on Russian lessons instead. Я cошла c yма...

Phil

bubsterboo 18th January 2007, 02:32

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Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes
To further my above complaints about the general state of piracy, I find the usual problem with it is that it's very fashion-obsessed - if you want anything that's been out on DVD more than a matter of weeks, you're stuffed. I tried (since I own the DVD, before the attack lawyers are let off the lead) looking for the dismal Owen Wilson vehicle "Behind Enemy Lines." The only one that came up in emule search that wasn't marked as being in a foreign language took nine days to download (never at more than 5k a second) and turned out to be a very, very bad Russian dub.

Well... many people are much much better at pirating then you and can go find a ripped dvd in a few minutes and dl it in a matter of hours.

supermonkey 18th January 2007, 02:42

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Originally Posted by The Article
The question of whether people really want high-definition porn, to be able to actually see all the imperfections on the beautiful porn stars' bodies, hasnt yet been raised.

You have seen a porn movie, haven't you? There's not really that much make-up involved. Some of the bigger productions may spend a little extra on make-up (maybe even a screenwriter or two), but most porn is low budget, shot in a studio with basic equipment. Even on standard-definition DVDs you can practically count the pimples.

Now, as we all know size does matter, and both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray offer more space for more content. I believe that will drive the hi-def porn market, rather than seeing naughty parts in super resolution. I read another article about the whole Blu-Ray/porn thing, and the guy at Bangbros said that he preferred HD-DVD over Blu-Ray. He said that even though Blu-Ray offered better quality, HD-DVD was ultimately cheaper to produce.

-monkey

orb 18th January 2007, 06:15

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Originally Posted by Sord_Fish
Whoah thats big!

Has there been any scene rules made for HD content yet?

Yeah, but they're kind of 'slack' say to speak, compared to how tight the rules are for xvid and the like, so you can get away with pretty much anything..