No third party apps on iPhone

Hold the phone - nothing can run on the iPhone that Apple doesn't release itself.

If you're sick of hearing about the iPhone, please raise your hands. Now if only I could see that, because I bet there's many of you. But there's one more bit of user-crucial news for the OSX-enabled device: you can't put anything on it yourself.

That's right - Steve Jobs has gone out on a limb and told us all that the iPhone simply will not accept third party applications at ALL. Unlike the competing products from makers like Samsung and Motorola (which run Windows Mobile 5), Steve-o stated in an interview that the iPhone needs to not be thought of as a computer at all, but instead a reinvention of the phone. This means that content for the device will be positively locked down by Apple and Cingular.

In some ways, his logic makes sense. Apple's position is that if you can throw any app you want on there, it is possible that the phone may crash or be otherwise unusable when you need it most. There could be some pretty annoyed consumers if the device fails each time they go to make a call. Jobs seems to think that can be prevented by restricting apps...but so can innovation.

However, it seems he hasn't really learned his lessons of strict control. Back in the early 80s, his demand to control all things released for Macintosh actually caused the product to implode, forcing him out of the company he helped start. What was heralded as a fantastic step forward in computing turned out to be an utter bust, since nobody could make it do what they actually wanted it to.

Will the iPhone meet a similar fate? Only time will tell - however, at a retail price of $500-600, there may be some people not willing to pay for just the "evolution of the phone," Steve Jobs style.

Have you got a thought on Jobs' interview? Do you think he's just planning well, or setting the uber-tight controls straight for the heart of the sun? When's the last time you heard someone use the excuse "My phone crashed, so I missed your call"?

Tell us your thoughts in our forums.
Quote Techno-Dann 12th January 2007, 17:52
*handraise*

I'm not paying $600 for some crippled piece of iJunk.
Quote antiHero 12th January 2007, 18:08
OK now i am pissed off! I liked it until now but if i cant put any voip program on it i am not buying. Thats the only reason i want a Smartphone
Quote careyd 12th January 2007, 18:54
Read the article people!!! Bit tech is spinning this in the wrong direction....here is a quote from Steve Jobs in the article:

“These are devices that need to work, and you can’t do that if you load any software on them,” he said. “That doesn’t mean there’s not going to be software to buy that you can load on them coming from us. It doesn’t mean we have to write it all, but it means it has to be more of a controlled environment.”

That means there WILL be 3rd party apps, but Apple will control the API and try to do some sort of 'approval' process for apps. I'm sure it won't be unlike other things they've (and Microsoft for that matter) done in the past.

Carey
Quote Da Dego 12th January 2007, 19:17
Right, perhaps you're reading too literally into my words.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve Jobs
"We define everything that is on the phone,” he said. “You don’t want your phone to be like a PC. The last thing you want is to have loaded three apps on your phone and then you go to make a call and it doesn’t work anymore. These are more like iPods than they are like computers.”
That's the paragraph directly above your quote. Third party apps means that they don't have to be approved by the device manufacturer, to me. EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING written for the iPhone must be approved by Apple.

I appreciate the comment, and perhaps I could have chosen better wording, but I don't mean to spin it - I don't really like sensational journalism, so I certainly don't want to exhibit that myself.. Sometimes, it just IS that bad.

And as for the skype (and other VOIP):
Quote:
Originally Posted by Linked article
During an interview on Tuesday, he said that Apple had not decided whether to enable a voice-over-Internet service like Skype
Quote DarkLord7854 12th January 2007, 20:00
The forum link on the page is wrong methinks btw (it sent me to the main forums)


I had decided to buy one of these nifty (and expensive) devices, starting to imagine all the kind of games and the likes that could be made to work with the awesome touchscreen. However, this news bit is like, a turn off. I won't buy one until I know I can do what i want with my iPhone, I paid for it, 600$, I pay the monthly cell bill, I don't want to be told what I can and cannot put on my phone.

Feels kinda like as if you buy a computer for cheap, and a very good one, but you can't put anything else on it except what it comes with which is MSN, Internet Explorer, and a calendar.

Not really worth it if you can't actually "own" the phone since you can't do what you want with it even though you did dish out 500$ or 600$ for it...
Starting to sound more like a rip-off


Edit:

The article also mentions you can't put your ringtones and stuff on it... Hrm.


Edit2:

There's some unlocked iPhones soon to be ready for pre-order for 900$ (4gbs) and 1,000$ (8gbs) on some sites... scary.
Quote Ramble 12th January 2007, 23:16
Why would anyone pay £300-£900 (That much with 2 year contract) for a phone that you can't do anything with.
Both the iPhone and Apple TV are looking like two very weak products now.
Quote DXR_13KE 12th January 2007, 23:34
a good name of for the iphone: iRuseless.
wasn't going to buy one.....now.... wont buy one for sure.
Quote Abom 12th January 2007, 23:55
I really want one but wont buy it if I cant watch slingbox on it, its a step backwards for me. I just hope they allow 3rd party apps preaproved by apple and slingmedia jumps on board
Quote eddtox 13th January 2007, 00:02
How about this nifty little gadget I stumbled across in my travels through the tubes? It looks much more appealing than anything apple has to offer. I know it's not a phone, but in this case I'd rather have that and a really cheap phone than the iPhone. Or maybe they will make one with a phone :D:D.

-ed out
Quote cyrilthefish 13th January 2007, 00:06
Quote:
Originally Posted by careyd
That means there WILL be 3rd party apps, but Apple will control the API and try to do some sort of 'approval' process for apps. I'm sure it won't be unlike other things they've (and Microsoft for that matter) done in the past.

Carey
The first few generations of the Windows smartphones worked in a similar way (i started with the First HTC smartphones)
A good proportion of posts on messageboards about the phones was about hacks to disable the program signing so user-made apps could run*.

It took them a while, but Microsoft eventually gave in, replacing it with a system that still initially blocked unsigned aps, but gave you a 'do you want to run this, as it may be dangerous? yes/no' box instead, and everyone was happy.

In short i think this is an extremley bad descision by apple, i see no point to pointless restrictions like these :/


*=was fiddly to do, involved plugging in the data cable while the phone was booting up, had to time it so you connected after the USB driver had loaded, but before windows loaded the security settings had so you could overwrite them...
Quote malcolm 13th January 2007, 01:06
I have a HTC harrier, been using it for nearly 2 years now. I've all sorts of dodgy applications on it... being a mobile developer, even a few I've written myself, some doing weird stuff like talking to SQL Servers via web services. I have never missed a call due to it crashing. Never. Steve Jobs is a moron. Who makes a phone with a battery you can't replace? What good is this going to be to the traveling executive compared to his Pocket PC phone with as many batteries as he can afford/needs? Good one Apple. Not the target market? Ok, fine, why put all that other useless crap on it then?
Quote Duste 13th January 2007, 03:33
Seriously though, what else would you want to put on? It has everything on it already, lol.
Quote Stoin 13th January 2007, 03:50
Battery life will decide the fate of the "iPhone," I use a Nokia N80 and it is great, except that every second day it needs recharged (this is with using a Creative Zen for playing music) and is a major problem, you can't even go somewhere for the weakend without taking the charger with you just incase a long phone call is required. Apple do not lead the world in battery technology (iPods get under 4 hours after a few years use), and while I dislike Sony they aren't bad at batteries (laptop manufacture excluded).

The introduction of a touch screen is not revolutionary because most keypads have shrunk to the point where they are unusable for many, so a touch screen was a necessary and predictable development.
Quote DarkLord7854 13th January 2007, 05:03
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duste
Seriously though, what else would you want to put on? It has everything on it already, lol.


Games, word processor, photoshop,... Lots of stuff
Quote David_Fitzy 13th January 2007, 08:10
Why bring an entirely new smartphone OS to the arena Why can't they use tried and tested symbian (or WM5 maybe *hides* )
Quote DXR_13KE 13th January 2007, 09:44
they are apple.... and hey does anyone have any info if it has a removable battery?
Quote Phil Rhodes 13th January 2007, 15:21
So I can buy iMusic from the iTunes iMusic iStore, and it'll play only on my iPod.

And I can buy an iPhone but it'll only run iPrograms iSteve iLikes.

Yay. Me. Me. Me.

Groan.

Phil
Quote bubsterboo 13th January 2007, 16:24
3rd pty software is what makes smart phones and pdas great! You get bored of using the same old boaring crappy program, you go find a new one. You can add countless features with 3rd pty software, i can use my palm as a tv remote now because of that great piece of software called noviiremote. I personally would never want one of these just because of that (not to mention how expensive they are).

The only thing that could persuade me to one is if they managed to get linux going on it.
Quote shomann 13th January 2007, 17:01
When I heard (read) the news of the iPhone (and yeah, I was geek enough to read a live blog of the keynote) I was happy until I heard that it was running OS X - then I was on the moon. An Apple PDA/Phone that had decent storage? Score!

Then I heard the initial price tag which put me off some and now the rumors of no third-party apps. I have to wonder which company is at the forefront of this decision, Apple or AT&T Wireless (they are dropping the Cingular name, or so I hear). Cingular/AT&T has been notorious for stripping the base software from their phones in the past and this sounds an awful lot like something they would want to do here in not letting other apps run (VOIP would be a big one, considering the built-in WiFi).

Apple has always had a love/hate thing going with their developers (or so it seems to me, a non-developer). They tend to alienate the best of them by integrating/stealing their ideas and putting them in the OS. Not sure why they would change that philosophy here and not want to take the good ideas from other developers to improve their product for versions 2, 3 and 4. In other words, why lock others out?

I think its still a long time until this product hits the streets and anything can happen. Until then, I am intent to sit back, wait and see just what gets released.

P.S. There has got to be a way around the ringtones thing, assuming it supports MP3s etc as tones...
Quote Tulatin 13th January 2007, 17:51
aaaand this only means something up until it gets Linux jimminied onto it.
Quote LAGMonkey 13th January 2007, 18:23
i would be interested in buying it once linux was ported to it. Its got a lot of features and is a sexy phone. I just dont like OSX and i certainly dont like being told what software i can run.

My current smartphone (R380 World) is on its last legs. ill just have to sit back and wait for a little bit longer.
Quote p3n 13th January 2007, 18:47
If they allowed VOIP apps then they will 100% lose their case with cisco and it'll be the applephone or w/e
Quote Gizmo1990 13th January 2007, 18:59
Ooooh I'm looking forward to this. People who think Apples restrictive approach isn't going to hurt them are living in la la land.

Put this together with the iphones battery life, size, weight, price, probable poor build quality and most importantly the mature market they're entering and it all adds up to apple fritters tonight.

I admit I'm not an apple lover but I'd be the first to admit it when they've delivered the goods, their interfaces are a good example. However the iphone is a device too far for them and I'm looking forward to seeing how things pan out.
Quote shomann 13th January 2007, 22:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gizmo1990
Ooooh I'm looking forward to this. People who think Apples restrictive approach isn't going to hurt them are living in la la land.

Put this together with the iphones battery life, size, weight, price, probable poor build quality and most importantly the mature market they're entering and it all adds up to apple fritters tonight.

I admit I'm not an apple lover but I'd be the first to admit it when they've delivered the goods, their interfaces are a good example. However the iphone is a device too far for them and I'm looking forward to seeing how things pan out.


I am actually one of those crazy Mac guys that generally likes Apple's products and is willing to let a few things slide.

In this case I am making myself wait to see what products follow in the wake of this v.1 product.
Quote Fly 14th January 2007, 12:14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stoin
Battery life will decide the fate of the "iPhone," I use a Nokia N80 and it is great, except that every second day it needs recharged (this is with using a Creative Zen for playing music) and is a major problem, you can't even go somewhere for the weakend without taking the charger with you just incase a long phone call is required. Apple do not lead the world in battery technology (iPods get under 4 hours after a few years use), and while I dislike Sony they aren't bad at batteries (laptop manufacture excluded).

The introduction of a touch screen is not revolutionary because most keypads have shrunk to the point where they are unusable for many, so a touch screen was a necessary and predictable development.

QFT

I recently boxed up my N80 and confined it to the cupboard never to be used again. The battery life is laughable to say the least, so for Apple to seal the battery in the unit on a 2 year contract is stupidity of the highest order.

Unless Apple have re-invented the battery (unlikely), after 18 months you will have to leave it plugged into its totally bespoke adaptor.
Quote kickarse 14th January 2007, 18:36
Ring in the Apple zealots screaming fallacy and one sidedness...

The problem being is that if Microsoft made a phone in a similar vein they'd being booing MS for locking down the phone in a similar fashion...

Grow up and realize that NO company is infallible, making bad calls are what they do.
Quote Nexxo 14th January 2007, 18:45
Everybody breathe in that paper bag now... :p I think Steve's comment is just a range finder, so to speak. Judging by the audience's response I suspect that Apple's 3rd party applications approval criteria are going to loosen up pretty quickly. I suspect that in practice it is just going to be a verification signing thing like Microsoft uses.

This is not the first time a company has changed its mind. No worries.
Quote DXR_13KE 14th January 2007, 19:54
Quote:
Q: Is the iPhone battery replaceable?

Yes, but it is not known what specific type of battery is used, or how much it will cost. The exact mechanism of access to the battery and the replacement options are not known. Currently, it is believed that the official Apple battery replacement method may require sending the iPhone to Apple, as with iPod. Since many customers would not want to lose access to a mobile communications device like iPhone for any period of time, battery replacements will almost certainly need to be be available on-demand; hopefully such replacements will be possible at an Apple Store and/or Cingular Store, or via similar channels in other markets outside the US. Apple and Cingular are together still in the process of determining the service and support mechanisms and channels in the US, obtraining regulatory approvals and so on for this device, and battery replacement costs and procedures are yet to be determined. Similar procedures will be developed for worldwide markets. More information will be posted as it becomes available.

Q: Is the iPhone battery user-replaceable?

It is not yet known whether the iPhone battery will be easily and quickly user-replaceable or user-accessible, or whether it will be a more involved physical replacement process, as with iPod. Currently, it appears that iPhone is sealed in the same way as iPod. Apple has not explicitly confirmed this, but it does appear that the iPhone case is sealed and not "user-servicable", making iPhone similar to iPod in this respect. Battery replacement will be available through Apple, via third parties, and potentially via Cingular. In any event, third party and do-it-yourself battery replacements for iPhone will likely be a possibility.

http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/#iphone


EDIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk
if only that was only a video ipod...... instead of a phone. :(


edit2: iPhone runs OSX?
in the end
Quote flabber 15th January 2007, 12:07
Bit-tech is wrong saying there won't be any 3rd party apps :)

There's options for Yahoo on it, there's Google Maps. They are right however that Apple does keep the highest standards possible to prevent the Phone from crashing because of bád coded software.

If a third party developer wants to make an app for the iPhone, Apple will hold them under "strict rules". And Apple will definately make more apps/options for the iPhone of course.

- DXR_13KE: It doesn't have a removable battery :)
- antiHero: You don't want to pay 400 for a 4Gb, and 500 for a 8Gb Phone?
Try buying an iPod Nano 4Gb, and a PDA with the looks and multi-touchscreen, and a few other gadget-like options for that money. A good PDA will cost you about 200-400 Euro, and an iPod nano 4Gb will also cost you about 200 Euro. So the price isn't even half bad.

Oh, and most PDA's/Smartphones don't have 4Gb storage, which will add up in the price of buying a 4Gb smartcard. :)

I do agree that they should give a few more options for developers to be able to build more software (Skype for example), because using that baby as a normal Phone, a Skype Phone, ánd (if you're out of range of your wireless modem) the usual mobile phone... thát would be insanely cool :D
Quote DarkLord7854 15th January 2007, 17:46
Quote:
Originally Posted by flabber
Bit-tech is wrong saying there won't be any 3rd party apps :)

There's options for Yahoo on it, there's Google Maps. They are right however that Apple does keep the highest standards possible to prevent the Phone from crashing because of bád coded software.

I have 2 smartphones, one of them is a Nokia 6600 with a 2Gb card, it's loaded with software, movies, music, games, all sorts of junk, some of the stuff doesn't even work... Has it ever crashed? No.
You know why? You have to start the program to make it run, it won't run by itself, and since the phone willl run OSX anyways, like a regular mac, if the app stops working/crashes.. well, it just crashes the app, nothing else.

Quote:
Originally Posted by flabber
If a third party developer wants to make an app for the iPhone, Apple will hold them under "strict rules". And Apple will definately make more apps/options for the iPhone of course.

So you're gonna pay 500/600$ for something you can't do what you want with?
I don't know if anyone noticed, but they said you can BUY MAc's apps and stuff... So this is all pretty much a ploy to get more money from our pocket.
Quote David_Fitzy 29th January 2007, 01:09
Quote:
Originally Posted by DXR_13KE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgW7or1TuFk
if only that was only a video ipod...... instead of a phone. :(
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Just watched the video and thought my phone does that, my phone does that, my phone does that, my phone does that....

seriously put a tilt switch (cos that's a revolutionary technology (no pun intended)) in my jasjar and hey presto everything the iphone has (except multipoint touchscreen (notice the photo zoom))
Quote orb 29th January 2007, 10:50
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkLord7854
Games, word processor, photoshop,... Lots of stuff

It's a phone, not a macbook
Quote DarkLord7854 29th January 2007, 17:38
My 6600 is a phone, it can do most of that stuff. How else would I get through 4 hours of art and 2 hours of history a day? O.o
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