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MPAA gets caught laying torrent traps

MPAA gets caught laying torrent traps

Fool us once, shame on us. Fool us twice? Not gonna happen.

It has long been suspected that the MPAA and RIAA might try to frustrate or even punish pirates by using bugged, dodgy, or otherwise false Bit Torrent trackers. However, it wasn't easy to catch the agency "in the act"...however, one slick admin over at btjunkie.com has done just that.

The torrent files are set up as 'honey pots' - they record the IP of the connecting pirate as he or she downloads the pieces of the files (which are bogus, by the way). They're even named smartly - many of the fakes look like real torrent names, including fake cracking groups, formats, etc. And before anyone goes and screams "Entrapment!", the MPAA is hiding behind the fact that it is not a law enforcement agency (despite that it takes the reverse of that stance in the courtroom) and that it's just offering something fakes for people who were going to do anyway, making the act legal.

Under law, it is illegal to "fight fire with fire," so the trackers that propegate the servers are actually links to dead files that will either stall close to completion or just be a mess of scrambled data. To date, nobody has had virus or malware issues with the dodgy sites - just a lot of failed downloads. The amount of servers and quality of the files being thrown out illustrates a very professional job.

The btjunkie admin recognized a pattern in the servers that provide continually deficient downloads, and the guys over at TorrentFreak have started to put up some of the server names. A combined force from both sites is combing through and flagging the files based on their host, as well. All of the hosts come out of the southern California and Las Vegas areas, and are easy to identify by IP ranges.

Just for an example of how much of this is going on, here is a current search from TorrentPortal - all of the files with a red X are fakes.

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DougEdey 12th January 2007, 17:25 Quote
I feel like saying "Dastardly!"
BioSniper 12th January 2007, 17:35 Quote
In which case.. They can't sue you for downloading or uploading anything illegal if they are just sending you random/fake data and not actually anything illegal?
Djpuk 12th January 2007, 17:43 Quote
Given their ability to do far out things like going after people who are deceased etc. surely nobody is surprised at the lengths they will go to including this.

Does something like Peer Guardian stop them from getting your IP address or are you stuffed as soon as you start downloading these fakes?
riggs 12th January 2007, 18:01 Quote
Ooh, sneaky!
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Originally Posted by Djpuk
Does something like Peer Guardian stop them from getting your IP address or are you stuffed as soon as you start downloading these fakes?
I'm also wondering the same thing..?
Cthippo 12th January 2007, 18:10 Quote
The good news is that this technique, which they have no doubt spent millions in settlement money on, isn't going to work much longer. An automated blacklist will no doubt be available very soon and then, well, the MPAA will come up with somthing else. Still, a win for the pirates ;)
mikeuk2004 12th January 2007, 18:50 Quote
Interesting tatic
<A88> 12th January 2007, 19:19 Quote
To be honest, I don't like the MPAA/RIAA or those who download content illegaly anyway so neither of them have my sympathy whatever happens to this.

<A88>
themax 12th January 2007, 20:05 Quote
The crazy thing, is that all the files marked with an X, still have hundreds, and thousands of seeds/leeches.
Hugo 12th January 2007, 20:46 Quote
Well the act of downloading a file called <insert movie here>.avi isn't illegal.... sooo, why do they waste their time doing this?
orb 12th January 2007, 20:53 Quote
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Originally Posted by Djpuk
Given their ability to do far out things like going after people who are deceased etc. surely nobody is surprised at the lengths they will go to including this.

Does something like Peer Guardian stop them from getting your IP address or are you stuffed as soon as you start downloading these fakes?

PeerGuardian doesn't protect you, all it does is give you a false sense of security
DXR_13KE 12th January 2007, 23:32 Quote
predictable.... i thought they were doing this a long time now......
specofdust 12th January 2007, 23:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by orb
PeerGuardian doesn't protect you, all it does is give you a false sense of security

732 million IP addresses blocked. I think it provides a measure of protection.
Spacecowboy92 12th January 2007, 23:52 Quote
I don't download content. If i want something, I pay for it and give the developer what I think they deserve. I'm with <A88> on this whole thing.
topher 13th January 2007, 01:17 Quote
They can suck my balls
tm36usa 13th January 2007, 02:57 Quote
I think its funny how they made fake torrents for the prison break episodes, as tv shows im pretty sure are free to be downloaded. I was pretty sure anything played on tv, if taped, was free to be distributed

On a side not, im pretty sure hobbes in Da Dego's avatar was what the **AA looked like when they did this :D
Rich_13 13th January 2007, 03:00 Quote
noooo^ not the case.


I thought they had been doing this since the kazaa days etc.

Even if they arn't trying to catch people they are frustrating them into not getting what they are after, without a lot of hassel and therefore just going legit.
Sloth 13th January 2007, 03:34 Quote
People making movies get plenty already, all you here is "this movie made 38 million at the box office today" so some downloading from someone who's already bought the DVD isn't that bad. To me, sharing like bit torrent is just the same as someone who owns a real copy on DVD and loan it to a friend to watch/have others over to watch together.
Ringold 13th January 2007, 04:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by Generic42
To me, sharing like bit torrent is just the same as someone who owns a real copy on DVD and loan it to a friend to watch/have others over to watch together.

Mhmm.

Buy a DVD. Up a torrent. And 10,000 people can easily snatch it. Some of which can re-up it at a later date to even more people.

That's exactly like letting your 2 or 3 best buds "borrow" it (which, of course, means they'll watch it and it'll disappear in to a mysterious black hole), right? ;)


Not much sympathy for either side from me, like someone else said earlier. :\

Not that I'm entirely innocent either, though I've got a ton better over the last couple years. All I do now is download a few TV shows, many of which like Rome I already paid for in the form of my subscription (hbo -- premium channel, no commercials, same with even HD BSG reruns on HD channels).

I've actually got more legal copies of XP than I have functional computers. :(
Breach 13th January 2007, 04:37 Quote
Good for them though. Honestly, like their torrent poisoning has slowed piracy in the slightest with all their other equally asinine tactics.
Sloth 13th January 2007, 04:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ringold

That's exactly like letting your 2 or 3 best buds "borrow" it (which, of course, means they'll watch it and it'll disappear in to a mysterious black hole), right? ;)
Well, not exactly, but if pirating were such a big deal all those companies would be out of business by now... and I too have a moral limit, I don't download movies (takes too long) and not too many songs (100 or so) since buying the CD is great for in the car listening (no mp3 player) and TV shows, well, that's fair game right there imo.
Mosey 13th January 2007, 14:19 Quote
I'm still a little lost here:

If they are uploading a torrent that is the actual program but they don't let you download it all (blocked at 90%) then they are performing an illegal act so they surely can't file lawsuits for downloading something that they are uploading? The old fighting fire with fire doesn't work.

And if they send you a jumbled up piece of rubbish that isn't what the file claims to be then your are downloading jumbled up rubbish and therefore you aren't breaking any laws. So - I don't see the point in that either.

So essentially, what is the point?
DriftCarl 13th January 2007, 14:21 Quote
I dont generally download movies at all, and I havnt downloaded any songs for ages. I mainly get TV shows that are not available here, like scrubs, heroes, lost ect. I dont have sky and I am not allowed to bolt a sky dish on my apartment building. I cant get NTL so what else am I gonna do? I pay good money for a **** TV licence with nothing good to watch on so I am going to get my entertainment somehow.

If these shows were on UK TV then I would watch them with adverts no problem.
Will 13th January 2007, 14:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mosey
I'm still a little lost here:

If they are uploading a torrent that is the actual program but they don't let you download it all (blocked at 90%) then they are performing an illegal act so they surely can't file lawsuits for downloading something that they are uploading? The old fighting fire with fire doesn't work.

And if they send you a jumbled up piece of rubbish that isn't what the file claims to be then your are downloading jumbled up rubbish and therefore you aren't breaking any laws. So - I don't see the point in that either.

So essentially, what is the point?

I expect its just as much an effort to disrupt torrenting as it is to actually catch people in a way that allows them to prosecute. If people started to have bad torrents that didn't work all the time, then it'd make the whole thing extremely frustrating - the MPAA probably figure the more time and energy consuming it is to download something illegally using bit-torrent (and putting up 'bad' torrents would make it so), the more likely people are to just give up and use other (legal) methods to obtain their films or music.
blade_10w40 14th January 2007, 00:04 Quote
Meh, the MPAA have been proved that they have no shame in wanting money. If that's all they want I don't want to buy another film again.

I personaly buy lots of DVDs. I probably spend about £60-100 a month (gotta love being 19 with no real expenditure) on DVDs but I'm still a downloader. I still get warnings from my ISP for using to much bandwith (damn Orange not knowing what "unlimited" means). And I will continue to download untill they make available all the content on Pritate Bay or Demonoid. Example...

Even tho that 70's show is currently on season 8 you can currently only buy up to season 4 (that has only become available since christmas).

Murder Most Horrid, a great comedy with Dawn French that has been completely withough sale on DVD or VHS.

Music bootlegs, most of these were available if you were at in the right place at the right time. They have always had questionable legal status and even tho some are on ebay but most you'll never get actual copies of.

If I see a film/TV show/album that I've downloaded I like, I buy it. Most new films are god awful and get deleted after the 1st watching. If DVDs for everything I wanted were sold I would buy them. Also a fair price for a new film ocasionaly would be nice. I'm sure reducing the price of a new DVD by £5 would give them more sales than prosicuting dead people ever will.

Case, point.
Havok154 14th January 2007, 03:07 Quote
I'll be honest, I download movies now and then but if I didn't, I just would never see the movie. I'm not that big into them where I'll go out and rent or buy it just because I want to see it. I do own quite a few movies, but those are the ones i feel are classics and love to see. They haven't lost a single sale from me downloading because I would just never watch it, ever. I have no problem not seeing a movie.
Constructacon 14th January 2007, 07:11 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosey

And if they send you a jumbled up piece of rubbish that isn't what the file claims to be then your are downloading jumbled up rubbish and therefore you aren't breaking any laws. So - I don't see the point in that either.

So essentially, what is the point?
Well there has to be some legal legitimacy. Paedos get arrested for aranging to meet a kid they met on the internet for sex only to find out it was a cop pretending to be one (was in the news this week ). Now they didn't actually speak to a kid or meet one and have sex - but did everything leading up to it and was still prosecuted.

I understand that torrenting and paedophillia aren't the same - but if the tactics are valid in court for one act.......
Mosey 14th January 2007, 11:18 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Constructacon
Well there has to be some legal legitimacy. Paedos get arrested for aranging to meet a kid they met on the internet for sex only to find out it was a cop pretending to be one (was in the news this week ). Now they didn't actually speak to a kid or meet one and have sex - but did everything leading up to it and was still prosecuted.

I understand that torrenting and paedophillia aren't the same - but if the tactics are valid in court for one act.......

Yeah, that was one thing i was wandering about. Whether or not a lawsuit can be formed with the obvious intention of downloading illegal material.
Havok154 14th January 2007, 15:56 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosey
Yeah, that was one thing i was wandering about. Whether or not a lawsuit can be formed with the obvious intention of downloading illegal material.

Doubt it would work since the MPAA isn't a legal authority. You can't sue someone for stealing your car if they steal a cardboard cutout of your car, thinking it was really your car. They shouldn't be able to sue you for stealing movies when you end up stealing nothing at all. Plus, downloading is legal, uploading isn't. This is most likely just to annoy people enough to stop using BT as much.
Preti9cboi 15th January 2007, 08:40 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosey
Yeah, that was one thing i was wandering about. Whether or not a lawsuit can be formed with the obvious intention of downloading illegal material.

I think this is where it gets a bit tricky. When you hear about pirating music, it's just people getting sued. When you hear about pedophiles, they go to jail.
Difference is one is civil and the other is criminal.

I'm not sure if this is correct because im not a lawyer but i believe downloading content is not a criminal act. It is only when you profit off of the content that it is considered a crime.
TGImages 16th January 2007, 13:59 Quote
Depending on what they (MPAA/RIAA/etc) want to achive, they can still charge you in a civil court. Even though it may eventually come to the point that it's thrown out, etc. YOU still have to go through the hassle, hire an attorney, incur expenses, etc.

My wife and I are currently being sued by a local business for speaking out about their practices and holding a legal and peaceful demonstration. Entirely within our constitutional rights (in the US) but they still filed a bogus suit. However in this case it will probably back fire on them. Once they filed the press are now much more interested in the situation. As long as (US) laws allow for SLAPPs (http://www.slapps.org/) and other bogus lawsuits to continue corporations with deep pockets will take advantage of this.
evil_tyrant 17th January 2007, 06:23 Quote
So if the act of uploading is illegal, than is there a torrent program that will allow you to deactivate the uploads? I am currently using Bitlord. I can limit the speed of the upload but I cannot turn them off. I know people get pissed off when I don't share, but I don't keep the stuff that I download anyway. I download a movie to watch it. After I've seen it, I can quote almost the entire movie. I have no need to watch it again. So if I could turn uploads off, I would be eliminating the whole "illegal" part and speeding up my download at the same time. Any thoughts?
blade_10w40 17th January 2007, 22:43 Quote
Once you've got the file you've broken the law. You have an illegal copy of a copywrited movie/game/TV show/software. Even if you don't share (that is completely against the point of BitTorrent and will get you banned from private trackers) you have still broken the law by having it on your hard drive even if it's only for a few hours.
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