bit-tech.net | Pirated Vista is useless, says Microsoft

mikeuk2004 20th November 2006, 17:34

Even if it was it uswless it wouldnt be long before a un expiring copy was pirated

DougEdey 20th November 2006, 17:40

Well at least Microsoft is trying to prevent pirates, now they won't have an excuse to have such ridiculously high prices!

Glider 20th November 2006, 17:44

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Originally Posted by DougEdey
Well at least Microsoft is trying to prevent pirates, now they won't have an excuse to have such ridiculously high prices!

Yes they do, to "drive" everyone into the OSS 'market' :D

Tulatin 20th November 2006, 17:47

So basically they're saying

"If you pirate this, Windows will break itself eventually"
So uhm; how is this so different from how Windows bricks itself on un-pirated copies?

Buzzons 20th November 2006, 18:12

I think they are saying, they can find out what version your running (if its _not_ the RTM then it will have a diff build version) and as such, they can easily brick it from ANY update they give out, be it a security one etc, as NO ONE should be running it, so they could enter

if (version = x)
{
remove all key windows files;
}
else install update;

aggies11 20th November 2006, 20:01

If your Microsoft, and you know your software is/will be pirated, with little you can actually do about it, what would you do?

A FUD campaign makes the most sense. If you can't actually stop people from using it, the next best thing is to try and stop them from *wanting* to use it.

They can't very well say "Yeah, the 'Vista Pirate Edition'® is actually the best value of all. It works perfectly and is free!"

So whether all this is true, or lies, they'd still be saying the exact same thing.

Aggies

eddtox 20th November 2006, 21:04

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...Vista is useless, says Microsoft

:) Made me chuckle... Anybody agree?

-ed out

Tyinsar 20th November 2006, 21:40

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One can almost imagine the smile as the PR department talked, stating that "Microsoft is happy that customers are eager to begin using Windows Vista."

:) - or maybe some hackers just want an early start on writing viruses & worms

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Originally Posted by Tulatin
So basically they're saying

"If you pirate this, Windows will break itself eventually"
So uhm; how is this so different from how Windows bricks itself on un-pirated copies?

BWAH HAH HAH

I (partly) agree with Aggies about this being a FUD campaign - This is after all the same company that claimed you couldn't remove IE from 98.

speedfreek 20th November 2006, 21:54

...Vista is useless, says Microsoft

Duh!

No need for it until I have DX10 everything anyway, and can anyone say MSDN.

DXR_13KE 21st November 2006, 00:20

i hope someone comes out a makes a OS that pwnz windows, linux is no match because there is no Direct X support.

Firehed 21st November 2006, 04:25

If I've ever read a snippet more deserving of Slashdot's "fud" tag, I sure don't remember it.

Not really bothered tbh. If it is just FUD (which I think very likely), then Vista's been cracked already. If not, it will be within days of it hitting the shelves, if not earlier. In any case, I'll be sticking with OS X as my main OS for quite a while, with XP hanging around on a separate machine for the odd game. Until Vista's security has been proven and games are requiring DirectX 10, I have very little incentive to move over. Transparent title bars aren't worth that much to me.

Tyinsar 21st November 2006, 05:39

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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
i hope someone comes out a makes a OS that pwnz windows, linux is no match because there is no Direct X support.

There have been several attempts but, since Direct X is an MS product, it's unlikely to ever be a part of another OS.

BTW: Linux "pwnz windows" in many ways but - sadly - games is not one of them :'( (thus only one of my 4 operational PCs runs Linux)

Cthippo 21st November 2006, 06:06

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Vista supports OpenGL natively, and linux supports OpenGL, so perhaps linux capable games are in the not too distant future after all :D

Glider 21st November 2006, 10:20

Linux supports OpenGL, but I still think game coders will be lazy and just go DirectX

DXR_13KE 21st November 2006, 11:41

UT2004 works natively on linux.....

i have an idea.... in order to make MS less monopolistic.... the EU should make MS open DX10 to everyone to use on their OS.....:p

Tyinsar 21st November 2006, 20:06

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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
UT2004 works natively on linux.....

i have an idea.... in order to make MS less monopolistic.... the EU should make MS open DX10 to everyone to use on their OS.....:p

:D wouldn't that cause some kicking & screaming from the boys & girls @ MS! :)
I LOVE the idea. ;)

TheColdLord 21st November 2006, 21:58

Vista cracked.....AHAHAHAAA...and the ppl @ MS boasted that they have the best security on the whole planet...etc....no no, no A\V req....it cannot be hacked....give me a break.....Ms should put a whole into the vista security issue....Believe it or not MS....VISTA IS CRACKED.....it is somewhat sad, seing that it is the next gen os....

speedfreek 21st November 2006, 22:05

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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
UT2004 works natively on linux.....

i have an idea.... in order to make MS less monopolistic.... the EU should make MS open DX10 to everyone to use on their OS.....:p

Hot damn, I cant wait for them to do something like that. :D

orb 21st November 2006, 22:07

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Originally Posted by TheColdLord
Vista cracked.....AHAHAHAAA...and the ppl @ MS boasted that they have the best security on the whole planet...etc....no no, no A\V req....it cannot be hacked....give me a break.....Ms should put a whole into the vista security issue....Believe it or not MS....VISTA IS CRACKED.....it is somewhat sad, seing that it is the next gen os....

Unless you're somewhere I'm not, Vista has not been cracked, the only thing what has been released is a RTM copy of Vista, with a RC key what won't activate it, theres a real ghetto activation fix, but thats about it, vista hacked? before it's even fully released? give me a break.

cool_dude 21st November 2006, 22:38

pfft the only reason there is pirates is because their software is priced too damn high. I'll be staying with xp thats for sure - i'll just skin it.

bloodcar 21st November 2006, 23:44

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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
UT2004 works natively on linux.....

i have an idea.... in order to make MS less monopolistic.... the EU should make MS open DX10 to everyone to use on their OS.....:p

Microsoft doesn't force game makers to us DirectX so the EU simply couldn't force Microsoft to release the sorce code for it. It's not Microsoft's fault that developers will always be lazy and will use the easiest thing available to them to finish their games.

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pfft the only reason there is pirates is because their software is priced too damn high. I'll be staying with xp thats for sure - i'll just skin it.

There would still be people pirating Vista if they sold it for $5. The same people who pirate it now would still be pirating it then. Personally, I have no qualms at paying $300 for an operating system that I'm going to be using every day for the next five or more years. Really $300 isn't that bad as it amounts to roughly $0.06 a day to pay for it.

cool_dude 22nd November 2006, 14:37

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There would still be people pirating Vista if they sold it for $5. The same people who pirate it now would still be pirating it then. Personally, I have no qualms at paying $300 for an operating system that I'm going to be using every day for the next five or more years. Really $300 isn't that bad as it amounts to roughly $0.06 a day to pay for it.

$5 for a operating system? People would not pirate it, whats that £2.50? People who couldnt afford that wouldnt even have a PC.

Whats the $300 price tag for, the Ultimate? We in the Uk are getting ripped off iirc its £400 which is approx $800 give or take a few. Rip off in my opinion, and i bet its a rip off with quite a few people too.

bloodcar 22nd November 2006, 15:24

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$5 for a operating system? People would not pirate it, whats that £2.50? People who couldnt afford that wouldnt even have a PC.

Whats the $300 price tag for, the Ultimate? We in the Uk are getting ripped off iirc its £400 which is approx $800 give or take a few. Rip off in my opinion, and i bet its a rip off with quite a few people too.

People would still pirate it. Just because it's cheap doesn't mean people won't pirate it. Hell, there are software cracks for $5 software. People will pirate given the opportunity no matter what the price of the software is. It's also nice to know the exact moral fiber that most people have when it comes to stealing. You wouldn't steal from a shop but you're more then willing to steal online, good game!

The ultimate version is $399 and it's still not that big of a deal. Like I said before, it's a piece of software that you use every day for several years. It's not like you're paying $400 for a piece of software that you're going to use every so often. or just once and forget about it. If you're not willing to pay for it then simply don't use it. There are other options out there that cost less and many that are free.

cool_dude 22nd November 2006, 15:47

I'm not going paying for it, like i said in my post above, i'll just re-skin xp.

$399 for the ultimate in the US, versus the approx $800 in the UK i dont see how the two compare.

Im sure im not the only guy on here that can see from my point of view.

Tyinsar 22nd November 2006, 17:42

I agree with bloodcar: If its a few hundred $ it's "too expensive", if it's a few $ then it's "only a few $ and Macro$loth is too huge & rich anyway" - too many people first decide what they want to do, then they look for ways to "justify" that.

cool_dude 22nd November 2006, 17:45

Well $400 is a bit diffrent to $800 dont you think?

So much cheaper for you guys than it is for us in the UK. And i am definatley staying with XP - if I do get fed up i'll reskin it too look like vista I just wont buy it at £400 ($800) and I doubt any of you in the USA would either if it ended up being that price rather than your price of $400.

eddtox 22nd November 2006, 18:16

I agree with cool_dude. I will probably end up using vista, but I WILL NOT pay for it. Not £400 anyway. As for people in the US, ask around! If you had to pay $800 for it, how many people would buy legit copies of Vista?

-ed out

trailblazer 22nd November 2006, 18:42

That's a big price difference. If that is the case then how much of that is down to MS and how much is down to re-sellers here making a very tidy profit? As MS is a US company I would expect there to be SOME price difference between europe and the US anyway, but not that much, could just be a case of rip-off UK rather than rip-off MS ! Anyway, MS has invested huge sums of money in all its operating systems over the years, and although not perfect they do the job.

I would like to see one or maybe a few EU companys put that kind of investment into a rival or maybe even better os rather than griping about MS, competition would be good for all of us. Apart from various flavours of Linux, none of which look a threat to MS right now, I don't see much out there as a realistic option for most users. There would be a bunch of IP issues to resolve but MS recently reached a deal with Novell, so some common ground is not impossible .

eddtox 22nd November 2006, 19:51

I think that MS could give Windows away for free, and still make a very tidy profit. Or, just charge annual subscription for Windows Update.

-ed out

trailblazer 22nd November 2006, 20:01

The only way that might work, that is, getting the software for free and paying for updates would be like renting it. Problem is if you don't or can't pay your annual subscription they could shut down the os and that might be when you need it or want it most. I don't know if everybody would want to go down that road.

eddtox 22nd November 2006, 21:16

What I mean is for the basic OS to be free, and you pay for optional extras such as paint , IE and windows update. That way, they improve market penetration, they make a profit and we get windows for free without the bloatware sht MS cram into it.

-ed out

trailblazer 23rd November 2006, 10:45

How things change in this industry. Just when it seemed like MS and Novell had reached an agreement, it looks like a war of words has broken out over the "agreement". Check here for more. When are they all going to agree on something so that the code writers can get on with what they all do best and we the users can get a better choice of products and prices. It seems to me the only ones talking sense are IBM who think the whole deal between MS and Novell was never needed in the first place.

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