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Nvidia launches 3D Vision 2

Nvidia launches 3D Vision 2

The new 3D Vision 2 specs are made of lighter, more comfortable materials, and also feature larger lenses.

Nvidia has launched 3D Vision 2 - an updated version of its 3D technology that it hopes will make for a better 3D gaming experience.

The new kit includes a revamped pair of active shutter glasses, which the company claims will offer improvements in several areas.

For a start, they're made of lighter, more comfortable materials. This is certainly a welcome improvement, as one of the biggest complaints we had when we got our hands on the kit was that the glasses weren't pleasant to wear for long periods.

The new specs also have 20 per cent larger lenses than the glasses that shipped with the original 3D Vision package. Combined with a wider viewing area, Nvidia claims this should provide a more immersive experience, while also reducing light bleed from outside sources.

Nvidia is also touting its 3D LightBoost technology with the launch - a feature that can be built into a 3D monitor to boost the apparent light intensity and colour richness, while also reducing ghosting.

There's no word on UK pricing yet, but Nvidia says that the 3D Vision 2 glasses kit, which includes one pair of the new glasses and a wireless USB IR emitter, will have global availability later this month, costing $149. Meanwhile, an additional set of 3D Vision 2 glasses will be available for $99.

What did you make of 3D Vision? Would you be interested in 3D Vision 2? Let us know in the forum.

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MrJay 17th October 2011, 12:50 Quote
*Now with added dimensions 50% extra free*
TheStockBroker 17th October 2011, 13:02 Quote
Those glasses sure are expensive for what they are!

I have a top-end TV. The 3D glasses for it are large but light (38g), active, bluetooth, and rechargeable and yet near enough half the price of those?

Why pay so much for old tech? IR got dropped from high-end devices because it was unreliable at the best of times - if Nvidia want their 3D tech to succeed, surely they should come up with a proper specification that requires the compatible listed monitors to have a bluetooth device integrated, and glasses that will sync with the current framerate properly?

Also, Nvidia - I've not used my 3D features once. It's really an annoying gimmick; please instead focus on bringing me Kepler so I can actually follow your TWIMTBP motif and get some decent framerates.

Cheers.
Vo0Ds 17th October 2011, 13:19 Quote
Doubt 3D tech will have much mainstream presence 'till it's accomplished without wearing glasses altogether. Ditch the glasses and I shall buy it, in the face, with my money.
Xir 17th October 2011, 14:02 Quote
*flog*
*flog*
*flog*
Run, dead horse, run!
:D
damien c 17th October 2011, 14:43 Quote
Staying away from the Active Shutter 3d glasses as they give me headaches.

$149 going by the last £ - $ ratio I saw should mean a price of around £85 - £90 but I bet they will be £149 or more.

I will look at 3d when it's glasses free and there is more 3d content available as at the moment the only thing for me would, be gaming and I have tried it and it's not to bad but would much rather not get a headache after 20 minutes of playing.
Crossing 17th October 2011, 15:28 Quote
I have a feeling the effects of 3d are going to be discovered to be very detrimental to health, leading to more harsh feelings towards the videogame industry (and don't forget film).
tigertop1 17th October 2011, 15:34 Quote
Headaches for those who get them usually occurr if you have not built up usage gradually to allow your eyes and brain time to get used to it. I have had Nvidia 3D using active shutter glasses for almost a year now and use it on Flight Sim. A couple of hours is no problem. if you really want to watch good Blu-Ray 3D try the 'Legends of Flight' DVD.
feathers 17th October 2011, 15:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by Crossing
I have a feeling the effects of 3d are going to be discovered to be very detrimental to health, leading to more harsh feelings towards the videogame industry (and don't forget film).

One GIANT LOL. I have used LCS stereo 3d for years. No headaches no problems.

Much greater health concerns than a pair of 3d glasses.

Every time Bit tech post something on stereo 3d people start talking bollocks.
Bloodburgers 17th October 2011, 15:57 Quote
Bloomin' Heck do those bad boys come with a snorkel?
hrp8600 17th October 2011, 16:10 Quote
Not intrested in a 2D screen , trying to fool you brain into thinking its 3D and you need glasses.
feathers 17th October 2011, 16:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by hrp8600
Not intrested in a 2D screen , trying to fool you brain into thinking its 3D and you need glasses.

Conversely, I'm not interested in 3d imagery presented in 2d.

The games I have played in LCS 3d have been a lot of fun. Apart from those FPS games where the idiots fail to render the crosshairs in 3d.
damien c 17th October 2011, 16:47 Quote
Ok I don't claim to know much about 3d but I did a google and found not much information other than Liquid Crystal Shutter.

So am I right that they use a LCD len's in the glasses to make it appear that the image is in 3d but, while that sound's ok do you still need a 120hz screen etc to be able to use it?

Not really sure to be honest but until they remove the glasses I cannot see it being thought fully about by me as I really don't want to wear glasses when playing games or watching film's if I don't have to.
feathers 17th October 2011, 16:55 Quote
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Originally Posted by damien c
Ok I don't claim to know much about 3d but I did a google and found not much information other than Liquid Crystal Shutter.

So am I right that they use a LCD len's in the glasses to make it appear that the image is in 3d but, while that sound's ok do you still need a 120hz screen etc to be able to use it?

Not really sure to be honest but until they remove the glasses I cannot see it being thought fully about by me as I really don't want to wear glasses when playing games or watching film's if I don't have to.

Yup. 120hz screen such as LG's excellent low cost 3d monitor.

I never found any real issue with 3d LCS glasses. I get the feeling a lot of complainers here have never tried them or perhaps like to complain for no good reason.
Ayrto 17th October 2011, 17:29 Quote
"3D LightBoost technology" - sounds like they've accepted that the dimming effect of 3d glasses almost spoils the experience altogether. To be fair to Nvidia, there haven't been that many native 3d games(unique frame for each eye) released. So forming a judgement is a bit like watching upscaled SD and then giving an opinion on HD.
SexyHyde 17th October 2011, 22:27 Quote
im not bothered. my limited use of active 3d has been fine but i cant watch passive at all as it weirdly makes my left eye water and spasm. i just dont see the attraction with 3d, active or passive.
delsinboy 18th October 2011, 01:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by Crossing
I have a feeling the effects of 3d are going to be discovered to be very detrimental to health, leading to more harsh feelings towards the videogame industry (and don't forget film).

yeah, a different image going into each eye is such an unnatural thing for a human to have to deal with.

why are there so many 3d haters? blu-ray 3d on an active system is just fantastic.

bring on 3d gaming! :]
Woodspoon 18th October 2011, 02:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by delsinboy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crossing
I have a feeling the effects of 3d are going to be discovered to be very detrimental to health, leading to more harsh feelings towards the videogame industry (and don't forget film).

yeah, a different image going into each eye is such an unnatural thing for a human to have to deal with.

why are there so many 3d haters? blu-ray 3d on an active system is just fantastic.

bring on 3d gaming! :]

yeah it's not as if high frequency flashing centimeters from your eyes could cause seizures or anything.
DarkBanana 18th October 2011, 03:14 Quote
I don't think we will see real proper glasses-less 3D for a looonnnngggg time unless we want a system like the 3DS. But I think the lack of good games support bothers me more than the glasses. Of course, that leads to a bit of a chicken and egg scenario: no one will adopt until supported, no support until people adopt :S

As for flashing lights, they don't normally cause seizures unless you are epileptic and your seizures are actually triggered by flashing lights. Admittedly, you could cause a seizure by depriving yourself of sleep for a few days then placing yourself in that situation but there shouldn't be any lasting health problems from the seizure per say (can't say anything about sleep deprivation or and falls). In fact, it might cure your depression :)
Aragon Speed 18th October 2011, 06:07 Quote
I haven't tried 3D yet, partly because I can't really afford it, but mostly because of the glasses.

Wearing glasses is not an issue for me from the point of view of them being stuck on the front of my face getting in the way, but because I already have to wear prescription glasses.

Trying to wear a set of 3D glasses over the top of a normal set is farcical at best. :D
Kiliv 18th October 2011, 09:38 Quote
Plus you would have to be a muppet to use such a device if you new you had light sensitive epilepsy also im pretty sure it would be im some form of small print somewhere so there is not really a problem.
Xir 18th October 2011, 09:41 Quote
If possible you want to go a lot higher than 120Hz...
The experience gets better the higher the frequency.
HourBeforeDawn 18th October 2011, 10:21 Quote
poor nVidia always buying tech and trying to make it propitiatory and then they end up shooting themselves in the foot, now that more companies are working on glasses free 3d thats where it at not these over priced glasses bs.
tigertop1 18th October 2011, 10:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by Aragon Speed
I haven't tried 3D yet, partly because I can't really afford it, but mostly because of the glasses.

Wearing glasses is not an issue for me from the point of view of them being stuck on the front of my face getting in the way, but because I already have to wear prescription glasses.

Trying to wear a set of 3D glasses over the top of a normal set is farcical at best. :D
tigertop1 18th October 2011, 10:52 Quote
The Nvidia 3D glasses come with different fixings that allow them to be worn over ordinary glasses which I do so no problem there.
DarkBanana 18th October 2011, 12:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by Kiliv
Plus you would have to be a muppet to use such a device if you new you had light sensitive epilepsy also im pretty sure it would be im some form of small print somewhere so there is not really a problem.

I think light sensitive epilepsy pretty much rules out any games beyond tetris anyway. Seriously, I don't think there are any obvious medical problems with 3D. Might give some people a headache or eye strain but that should be about it.

And if they can make glasses like this:
http://www.cocoonseyewear.com/
then that should solve the problem of people wearing glasses as well.

3D is a gimmick. But the exact same thing could be said about dynamic shadows, motion blur, heck, any form of advance graphics. It can add an aspect of realism to the game when used properly but can also be horribly annoying.
Woodspoon 18th October 2011, 14:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by DarkBanana

As for flashing lights, they don't normally cause seizures unless you are epileptic and your seizures are actually triggered by flashing lights. Admittedly, you could cause a seizure by depriving yourself of sleep for a few days then placing yourself in that situation but there shouldn't be any lasting health problems from the seizure per say (can't say anything about sleep deprivation or and falls). In fact, it might cure your depression :)
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Originally Posted by Kiliv
Plus you would have to be a muppet to use such a device if you new you had light sensitive epilepsy

This is true, but how do you find out you are epileptic? it's one of those things that you only find out affects you after it's too late, and while you could be perfectly ok watching tv or playing games normally staring at a screen flickering at 120 hz with glasses that also flash at high speed while your brain is trying to deal with the 3d trickery could quite possibly cause issues.

But I was more just agreeing with an earlier point that there quite possibly a few detrimental side effects to 3d that are as yet unknown and putting 2 screens centimetres from your eyes possibly isn't the most natural or healthy thing in the world.
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Originally Posted by DarkBanana

I think light sensitive epilepsy pretty much rules out any games beyond tetris anyway
No, it depends on the affected individual, the frequency is different for a lot of people.
DarkBanana 18th October 2011, 14:34 Quote
Epilepsy is defined as the tendency to have seizures rather than than just having seizures themselves. Many things can cause seizures (drugs, psychological stress, extreme tiredness, electric shocks), mainly by lowering the 'seizure threshold' into the range of normal stimulus. Epileptics have their seizure thresholds already in that normal range.

Admittedly the tetris comment was a little glib but I don't think it's too far from the mark. Besides, from what I know of how the eye works (and admittedly, it's never been an organ I've particularly taken an interest in), I don't even think 3D would cause an seizure in a light sensitive epileptic. We can actually only "see" about 1% of our visual fields (or something there abouts). The rest is your eyes whizzing over the area and your brain storing that information to complete the picture. A classic example would be putting a hat pin in your blind spot. It will suddenly vanish. So the whole world we see is already an optical illusion played on us by our own brains. The brain would simply process 3D images as an uninterrupted image.

I'm not saying there are no health risks. I'm just saying I can't see any physiological basis for it. I honestly don't think it's any less healthy than sitting in front of a normal computer screen. Of course, if someone can provide evidence to the contrary, I'd gladly listen.
delsinboy 18th October 2011, 16:10 Quote
so no one else has anything positive to say about 3d gaming?
MjFrosty 18th October 2011, 21:37 Quote
I've no complaints about 3D Vision, I think the certified games are awesome with it. Any improvements are welcome tbh. (Although I await reviews)

Might sound like a blanket statement, but ironically so do most of the comments in here; people that knock it, usually haven't tried it. At least not for a considerable length of time.

Move on...
Xir 19th October 2011, 09:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by delsinboy
so no one else has anything positive to say about 3d gaming?
There are people that have no negative effect at all, and they enjoy 3D gaming.
It works on a lot more games than you'd think (z-buffer based 3D gaming anyway), and the effect is really nice when you first use it.

I personally suffered from eyestrain and headaches after about an hour of play, and sucked at aiming a 2D crosshair in a 3D world, but that's just me.
You have to test it before you judge.
Sloth 19th October 2011, 19:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by feathers

I never found any real issue with 3d LCS glasses. I get the feeling a lot of complainers here have never tried them or perhaps like to complain for no good reason.
You're using your own subjective experience as a basis for belittling the opposition? Classy.

You might want to take a seat for this one because it's pretty shocking: many people don't enjoy wearing glasses. People with decent vision try to keep it decent to avoid them. People already prescribed glasses switch to contacts to avoid them. Even those who are currently prescribed glasses may dislike having to wear them under other eyewear (such as ski goggles, or 3D glasses). Or what I've seen more often: those with glasses may avoid them when wearing headphones and live with the blurriness.

Now tell someone they need to pay $100 for the pleasure of wearing them, in addition to the cost of a 120Hz monitor*, and it's easy to see why not everyone is sold.


*Which is effectively running as a 60Hz monitor when displaying in 3D. It's not a big issue for many, but I'd personally rather just take the 120Hz monitor and play my games at 120fps. It's supposed to be an excellent experience.
MjFrosty 19th October 2011, 22:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sloth
You're using your own subjective experience as a basis for belittling the opposition? Classy.

You might want to take a seat for this one because it's pretty shocking: many people don't enjoy wearing glasses. People with decent vision try to keep it decent to avoid them. People already prescribed glasses switch to contacts to avoid them. Even those who are currently prescribed glasses may dislike having to wear them under other eyewear (such as ski goggles, or 3D glasses). Or what I've seen more often: those with glasses may avoid them when wearing headphones and live with the blurriness.

Now tell someone they need to pay $100 for the pleasure of wearing them, in addition to the cost of a 120Hz monitor*, and it's easy to see why not everyone is sold.


*Which is effectively running as a 60Hz monitor when displaying in 3D. It's not a big issue for many, but I'd personally rather just take the 120Hz monitor and play my games at 120fps. It's supposed to be an excellent experience.


Sorry, but you might want to take a seat for this one. It sounds like you have aspergers?

You make a terrible argument, if you're that against glasses you might want to contact your local GP and tell him you've got problems
Sloth 20th October 2011, 19:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by MjFrosty
Sorry, but you might want to take a seat for this one. It sounds like you have aspergers?

You make a terrible argument, if you're that against glasses you might want to contact your local GP and tell him you've got problems
Perhaps I should have taken a tip from you. After all, every master debater knows that saying people have Aspergers is both witty and unoffensive.

"ur retard, i right"

Do I win now?
MjFrosty 21st October 2011, 13:42 Quote
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Originally Posted by Sloth
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Originally Posted by MjFrosty
Sorry, but you might want to take a seat for this one. It sounds like you have aspergers?

You make a terrible argument, if you're that against glasses you might want to contact your local GP and tell him you've got problems
Perhaps I should have taken a tip from you. After all, every master debater knows that saying people have Aspergers is both witty and unoffensive.

"ur retard, i right"

Do I win now?


Sorry, I should of probably elaborated after pointing out how stupid your post was, bit silly of me.

Actually wait, I can't? Because all you talk about is glasses...

Moron
Sloth 21st October 2011, 19:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by MjFrosty
Sorry, I should of probably elaborated after pointing out how stupid your post was, bit silly of me.

Actually wait, I can't? Because all you talk about is glasses...

Moron
You know, I never thought I'd say this but your posts actually make me think feathers has well thought out and detailed arguments for 3D Vision.

Allow me to make a few arguments for you:
-Advancements such as the new 3D Vision 2 glasses reduce the drawbacks of glasses. With ever advancing technology they will only get better and better.
-Glasses free 3D is possible and with increased research and popularity may become a more feasible option. Even current problems such as poor field of view may not be a problem for a single user in front of a monitor.
-Even those who initially think "wearing glasses when I play games sounds silly" should at least try it in a store or use a friend's/neighbor's/co-worker's setup. Maybe they'll think the effect is worth it after trying it, some people in the world obviously do.

Was that so hard? I just gave you three statements countering my own post.
MjFrosty 21st October 2011, 21:47 Quote
Sorry, I can't be bothered to reply to you right now. Replaying Batman AA in 3D, it's really good by the way.
Sloth 21st October 2011, 23:03 Quote
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Originally Posted by MjFrosty
Sorry, I can't be bothered to reply to you right now. Replaying Batman AA in 3D, it's really good by the way.
Are you for real?

Where are the hidden cameras? Is Ashton about to come out and tell me I've been punked?

I can only hope this is some sort of joke or attempt at trolling.
Lord-Vale3 22nd October 2011, 02:29 Quote
I'm starting to get tired of everyone harping on 3D.

It has a gimmicky past yes. But what we see here is nVidia trying to improve it so eventually it wont be as gimmicky.

It is steadily (though slowly), involving into a tech that can add to the experience. Just as widescreen allowed film to give us wide screens showing vast landscapes (Lawrence of Arabia just isn't the same on a fullscreen), 3D will allow us to see more depth than we currently can mimic in 2D. Its just much harder to make 3D work and work well than it was to make a screen wider.

Harp on 3Ds past or maybe what it is right now, but at least dont diss on nVidia for making it better than what it used to be.
Xir 24th October 2011, 10:14 Quote
nope, we're dissing on NVidia on differentiating from a 3D-TV standart that have surpassed NVidia for less than half the dough :D
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