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Mozilla's Paul Rouget fires a broadside at IE9

Mozilla's Paul Rouget fires a broadside at IE9

Paul Rouget claims IE9 is two years late and still lacks many features that Firefox and Chrome have had for some time.

It's usually journalists and members of the public that take their virtual beating sticks to Internet Explorer, but Paul Rouget, European Evangelist for Mozilla - the group behind the Firefox web browser - has now laid into Internet Explorer 9 too.

On his blog, Rouget claims IE9 is not a modern browser, and goes on to list his concerns about HTML5, while also noting that the browser still doesn't support many basic features. Interestingly, Rouget also takes a shot at the tests Microsoft used to make its recent - apparently glowing - compatibility claims.

The tests Microsoft used, according to Rouget, were developed by Microsoft itself while developing the new browser. 'It's not that surprising that they pass the very tests they used to design and develop the browser - we score pretty well against our own unit-tests as well,' says Rouget.

He also lists several test results from third-party sites Caniuse.com and html5test.com, which show IE9 not just lagging behind Firefox 4, but also being trounced by Firefox 3.6 - Mozilla's two-year-old version of its browser - in both tests.

In addition, he states that features such as Application Cache (offline), HTML5 Forms (validation mechanism, CSS3 selectors) and Drag and Drop from Desktop are also not supported by IE9. Conversely, he says that Text overflow is IE9's only feature that's not supported by Firefox.

Which browser do you use, and for how long have you used it? What, if anything, would you change about it? Let us know in the forums.

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Fizzban 17th February 2011, 16:16 Quote
This news doesn't really surprise me. I use Firefox at home and have done for years. It seems to be better in just about every way than IE - which I can't stand. I have to tolerate it at work though. So it getting upgraded is a good thing I suppose.
Jamie 17th February 2011, 16:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by Rouget
'It's not that surprising that they pass the very tests they used to design and develop the browser - we score pretty well against our own unit-tests as well,'

Well said.
erratum1 17th February 2011, 16:24 Quote
I tried all the browsers and settled on Firefox. It's quick and works well.
Snips 17th February 2011, 17:01 Quote
Why bad mouth the competition if it isn't going to be competition? Sounds like the wrong move for Mozilla to me.
mclean007 17th February 2011, 17:04 Quote
Like many, I don't use IE at home (Chrome / Safari all the way for me) but am stuck with it at work so updates are a good thing. The lack of features present in other browsers like peelable tabs (drag a tab out of a window to create a new window, or from one window to another); automatically updating RSS feeds in the bookmarks bar; sandboxing of tabs etc. is frustrating.
FelixTech 17th February 2011, 17:26 Quote
Holy moly! You can peel this s**t?!?!

It's funny how lots of people use firefox but not many know a lot of commands/shortcuts etc. I have just learned that tabs can be peeled, and I recently told my friend to much amazement that Ctrl-clicking a link opens it in a new tab.
tad2008 17th February 2011, 17:34 Quote
IE has always had the right aesthetics for me, Opera is the greatest in theory but feels wrong, Firefox was becoming too slow at just opening the browser let alone anything else so made the switch to chrome, with it's basic interface and clean look took some time to get used to, but have never looked back.
dyzophoria 17th February 2011, 17:40 Quote
i honestly have only IE and Chrome on my pc, I like the minimalistic design of both browsers atm
leexgx 17th February 2011, 17:45 Quote
i agree with firefox been slow if your working on more then 5-6 windows seems to eat as much as chrome does when it has 15 tabs open when you add flash to it you can get it to do 300-400mb some times(Chrome issue is each tab has its own disk i/o use so when you reopen 20 tabs the disk goes Very slow)

my self opera main browser (norm web sites that i look at Tab stacking has really helped now as i have 30-50 tabs or so open mem use and cpu is fine) and chrome for default System browser (clicking on links like youtube from chat programs stuff i am most likely going to close shortly after, chrome hogs ram and disk when there are to many windows open)
V3ctor 17th February 2011, 17:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by FelixTech
and I recently told my friend to much amazement that Ctrl-clicking a link opens it in a new tab.

Thanks, didn't knew that one :P
Centy-face 17th February 2011, 18:00 Quote
Used to be an avid Opera user but it got bloated and then it kept growing luckily Chrome came along and I am still in love with it. The only time I ever use IE is if I and just setting up a machine for someone and need to get chrome after that it is swiftly removed.
mucgoo 17th February 2011, 18:09 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by FelixTech
Holy moly! You can peel this s**t?!?!

It's funny how lots of people use firefox but not many know a lot of commands/shortcuts etc. I have just learned that tabs can be peeled, and I recently told my friend to much amazement that Ctrl-clicking a link opens it in a new tab.

try middle clicking
your mind will be blown
karbonKid 17th February 2011, 18:09 Quote
Opera Opera Opera

and Seamonkey when that (rarely) doesn't work...

Did i mention Opera?
enciem 17th February 2011, 18:13 Quote
Chrome all the way. Even better now that there's hardly any websites it struggles to work correctly with. The eBuyer menus used to drive me mad with Chrome
frontline 17th February 2011, 18:29 Quote
IE in Windows, Firefox in Linux.
Eggy 17th February 2011, 18:33 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by leexgx
i agree with firefox been slow if your working on more then 5-6 windows seems to eat as much as chrome does when it has 15 tabs open when you add flash to it you can get it to do 300-400mb some times(Chrome issue is each tab has its own disk i/o use so when you reopen 20 tabs the disk goes Very slow)

my self opera main browser (norm web sites that i look at Tab stacking has really helped now as i have 30-50 tabs or so open mem use and cpu is fine) and chrome for default System browser (clicking on links like youtube from chat programs stuff i am most likely going to close shortly after, chrome hogs ram and disk when there are to many windows open)

How much memory do you have? I always find it funny people complaining about their browser taking up 200-300 MB while they have 6 GB of memory. Why bother, it doesn't affect your experience.
Nikumba 17th February 2011, 18:45 Quote
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Originally Posted by Eggy
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Originally Posted by leexgx
i agree with firefox been slow if your working on more then 5-6 windows seems to eat as much as chrome does when it has 15 tabs open when you add flash to it you can get it to do 300-400mb some times(Chrome issue is each tab has its own disk i/o use so when you reopen 20 tabs the disk goes Very slow)

my self opera main browser (norm web sites that i look at Tab stacking has really helped now as i have 30-50 tabs or so open mem use and cpu is fine) and chrome for default System browser (clicking on links like youtube from chat programs stuff i am most likely going to close shortly after, chrome hogs ram and disk when there are to many windows open)

How much memory do you have? I always find it funny people complaining about their browser taking up 200-300 MB while they have 6 GB of memory. Why bother, it doesn't affect your experience.

Not everyone has 6Gb in their machine, i know plenty of people woth 2Gb, or even 1Gb so when a browser is sucking up 200 - 300mb that is a lot for a low end system
GoodBytes 17th February 2011, 18:48 Quote
I don't like IE in general.
But i do like IE9. Like I am not saying that i am going to switch to IE9 from Firefox 4. BUT, it's FINALLY, in my opinion, a nice addition, a good web browser for those who like IE (for wtv reason), or forced to use it. At least now they get to use a version that make web developer life much easier, and promotes better looking, easier to use, websites.

What I am trying to say, is that now I don't have to pull my hair and go crazy on someone who uses IE and insists on using it, because IE9 is a reasonable web browser. Still behind, in term of features, but at least it's something.

What i do like the most in IE9, other than the fact it's a usable web browser where it follows web standards properly, that you can pin a web site to the task bar in Win7. I actually use it at work for our IE only intranet pages (office directory and ticket report).

Now, on topic. I don;t think it maters. I mean the difference in speed between Opera, Firefox, and Chrome in most web sites (real world tests), are not noticeable anymore. I don't see any super intensive HTML5 web site any time soon to worry about that today.
Altron 17th February 2011, 19:06 Quote
I use Firefox. Not sure if it's better than the others or not. I started using it in the IE6 days. I know IE has gotten much better since then, but I have no problems with Firefox and I have no reason to switch back. I am not a huge fan of tabs, and don't use them nearly as much as some other people. For instance, if I have bit-tech forums, my e-mail, and another website open at once, I want three separate windows. but if I am navigating bit-tech, I'll use tabs to have a few threads open at once. I like being able to tile my windows, and tabs can't do that.

Right now, firefox is using 84mb of RAM. I have 16gb, so I don't really care.
samkiller42 17th February 2011, 20:09 Quote
Switched from Firefox to Chrome when i got my Netbook. I have an SSD and 2GB memory in my Netbook, and it still took an age, but Chrome doesn't have that issue.

I also find it strangely amusing that while i'm typing this post, Chrome is highlighting Firefox as a spelling mistake; Evan my web browser has no love for Firefox...

Sam
GregTheRotter 17th February 2011, 20:17 Quote
Chrome for me.
leexgx 17th February 2011, 20:55 Quote
for opening times Chrome first and then opera, firefox seems to take all day to open on most low end systems (1gb) more so when add-ons are on there
paisa666 17th February 2011, 21:14 Quote
Chrome. Period
Penfolduk01 17th February 2011, 21:16 Quote
I can't help that Paul Rouget has only made these comments because IE9 has upped Microsoft's game, and could eat into Firefox's market share.

I use Firefox 3.6. I have loaded up Chrome and Safari in the past, but I immediately didn't like their interfaces.
I can't be bothered jumping through hoops to load up the FF4 beta. But if FF$ looks more like Chrome, I might just jump ship.
Volund 17th February 2011, 21:18 Quote
Still firefox here.... I want to like chrome, but I don't like having to start in private browsing to have it not keep a history log (note: this is as of last time I used it, about a month ago, if this has changed, please let me know).

but hey, just about anything is better than AOL 9.0....
Snips 17th February 2011, 21:43 Quote
Sorry did I misread the topic?

I didn't know it was firefox,opera,chrome anonymous. "Hello everyone, Yes I'm using firefox and I've been IE free for 60 days!" "Well done Derek, here have a donut"

You are all delusional if you think you can tell the difference in webpage speeds while browsing.

IE9 FTW as usual Microsoft. You always get the minority mouthing off against the bigger better option.
Jhodas 17th February 2011, 22:14 Quote
Chrome.
I'm a lightweight freak (i don't like any kind of bloat).
I did use Lynx for a while, but that was a bit too stripped out...
Chrome can be a memory hog, but not as badly as FF, and it's built in flash support seems to be better as well.
I work for a multi billion pound organisation in the UK.
I use IE6 at work...
Education is the key people.
Ph4ZeD 17th February 2011, 22:30 Quote
Love Chrome, couldn't leave it. Very refined browser updated at a very rapid pace.
BioSniper 17th February 2011, 23:13 Quote
IE9 is just terrible in the current RC state so I understand where this is coming from.
It doesn't even work with Microsoft's own Webapps (Dynamics CRM 4.0 and some SharePoint issues) properly!
Jampotp 17th February 2011, 23:42 Quote
I don't really know about IE - I haven't used it for ages... Snips, can I have doughnut now?
But I always used to use Firefox, then transferred to Chrome. Whenever I go back on Firefox, from time to time, I enjoy the addons which I had, but they always need updating, so I have to wait for like 3 millenia for it to open. Anyway... marginally off-topic rant now over.
RichCreedy 18th February 2011, 00:05 Quote
i like ie9, it breaks facebook apps ;-)
earlydoors 18th February 2011, 00:07 Quote
Been using chrome recently, after being an avid Firefoxer - is chrome really as secure as firefox can be modded to be, though?
freshsandwiches 18th February 2011, 01:21 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by mucgoo
try middle clicking
your mind will be blown

Consider my mind blown.
Cthippo 18th February 2011, 03:01 Quote
Been using Opera for years and love it.

I've recently used IE on other computers and been reminded how much I hate it. Chrome is OK, it's the only other browser I have on this machine and once in a while I use it for something.\

Can I have a donut too?
Aracos 18th February 2011, 04:09 Quote
I don't know why they're having a go at IE, I mean does a company have a leg to stand on when critising another company since they stole operas layout/theme for the upcoming firefox 4. I still can't believe they done that and have lost a lot of respect I used to have for them :(
x5pilot 18th February 2011, 08:49 Quote
IE rules!
Unicorn 18th February 2011, 09:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by Jamie
Well said.

Agreed.
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Originally Posted by x5pilot
IE rules!

Is that supposed to be a joke? Clearly you know little about browsers coming out with a statement like that. IE Sucks and I think well over 90% of bit-tech members would agree with me on that if it was put to a vote. I've used Firefox since it's been in existence... same with the Thunderbird email client. They are just better than the alternatives in every single way, I don't think I need to go into details but as an example, you try installing 10 plugins, 5 addons and a library of over 1500 bookmarks on IE and see how fast it runs. Firefox, on the other hand, handles all of that for me as well as running with dozens of open tabs day after day.
Snips 18th February 2011, 09:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by Unicorn
Is that supposed to be a joke? Clearly you know little about browsers coming out with a statement like that. IE Sucks and I think well over 90% of bit-tech members would agree with me on that if it was put to a vote. I've used Firefox since it's been in existence... same with the Thunderbird email client. They are just better than the alternatives in every single way, I don't think I need to go into details but as an example, you try installing 10 plugins, 5 addons and a library of over 1500 bookmarks on IE and see how fast it runs. Firefox, on the other hand, handles all of that for me as well as running with dozens of open tabs day after day.

Actually, that's just your opinion. Worldwide, IE is STILL the No 1 browser.
niro 18th February 2011, 09:18 Quote
IE is pretty poor, have used it for years now, used to get constant crashing and freezing problems with IE, and someone recommended to my dad to get firefox, so I got it and have never looked back.

It's annoying that most workplaces only use IE, lot of support calls about problems with IE could just be avoided by simply using another browser
Xir 18th February 2011, 09:30 Quote
I don't think I use any Feature of modern browsers that Netscape didn't support apart from Tabs, and they've no real value either.

I guess Tab-peeling is turning-a-tab-into-a-window right?
Yeah, that'd be usefull.
If I could show two tabs next to each other that would serve the same purpose though
logonui 18th February 2011, 09:44 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
Worldwide, IE is STILL the No 1 browser.

I think this is probably because a lot of users don't know what a browser is, they see the big blue "e" and assume thats the only way to get to the internet.

I know that microsoft have added in the option to choose a browser in windows nowadays but users will still go with what they know rather than what is best for them.

Personally I use firefox, don't know what I would do without all of the addons I use on a daily basis
RichCreedy 18th February 2011, 10:10 Quote
people who have problems with ie are visiting sites they ought not to, tinker with bits they don't understand, or use crappy(poorly coded) toolbars and addons.
karx11erx 18th February 2011, 12:09 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
Actually, that's just your opinion. Worldwide, IE is STILL the No 1 browser.
Which is a clear indication that there is no such thing as swarm intelligence for human beings.

Your argument is of the kind "People, eat crap - millions of flies cannot be wrong!"

And now go back to your duties, padawan.
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Originally Posted by RichCreedy
people who have problems with ie are visiting sites they ought not to, tinker with bits they don't understand, or use crappy(poorly coded) toolbars and addons.
LOL! I am taking this the only way it can be reasonably taken: As a joke. Good one!
Unicorn 18th February 2011, 12:35 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
Actually, that's just your opinion. Worldwide, IE is STILL the No 1 browser.

I can't argue with that, it is my opinion... but it's also the opinion of 30% of the worlds web surfers who tend to be people who know what to look for in a browser and know that Firefox ticks their boxes better than IE does. In case I'm not being clear, that's the most polite way I could think of to say "People who know what they are doing".

I would tend to disagree with the statement "IE is still the #1 browser" because it's only the most popular and not necessarily (in my opinion nowhere near) the best, and to go even further than that, it's only the most popular because Microsoft strong-armed companies like Netscape and Opera around 15 or 16 years ago, putting them out of business by releasing IE for free with their Windows operating system, which by that point was already the most widely used computer OS in the world and was well on its way to putting other software companies out of business as well. Don't get me wrong, my opinion of Microsoft is still largely good - after all, I buy, sell and use their software on a daily basis but I choose not use their web browser because there is what I believe to be a better alternative.

So to sum up, most of us know that IE is crap and most of us are open about it. Some of us also know that it's crap but are in denial because it has "Microsoft" written on it (even though it was originally written by Spyglass) and some people just think it's great. Which category you fall into is entirely up to you, but I made my mind up in 2004 and I haven't changed it since.
Woodspoon 18th February 2011, 13:03 Quote
Chrome FTW!
RichCreedy 18th February 2011, 16:57 Quote
not all the 30% with firefox know what they are looking for in a browser, they have just been told they should use it, without a full explanation, or which addons are required to make it secure.
Chocobollz 18th February 2011, 17:04 Quote
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Originally Posted by Unicorn
I've used Firefox since it's been in existence... same with the Thunderbird email client. They are just better than the alternatives in every single way, I don't think I need to go into details but as an example, you try installing 10 plugins, 5 addons and a library of over 1500 bookmarks on IE and see how fast it runs. Firefox, on the other hand, handles all of that for me as well as running with dozens of open tabs day after day.

In addition to make a library of 1500+ bookmarks, why don't you try opening up 1200+ tabs just like what I do everyday and see how fast it runs. Opera does both easily for me here and it usually runs trouble free for weeks (my laptops usually runs 24/7) hehe . But I must admit Mozilla Thunderbird is better than any other free e-mail clients out there, at least in my own opinion :D.
okenobi 18th February 2011, 17:29 Quote
Maybe this is a little off topic, but I'm hardly the first, so....

Haven't used IE properly since 6 when FF didn't work with everything. Been using FF since version 1 and largely happy. I use FireFTP, Adblock Plus and the British English Dictionary.

I won't consider Chrome, because having looked at it briefly I vehemently disliked it, but more importantly Google are evil and their browser was definitely less security conscious last time I looked.

To the several people running Opera, based on the above, please pitch me it - I'm intrigued....
Senilex 18th February 2011, 17:49 Quote
I don't hate IE, in all honesty I think it is fine for the average user. I personally use Opera, but that becuase I used it years ago when it had features that no other browser did and found them useful. When I do have to use IE, I don't moan about it quite simply because there is nothing to moan at about - it displays web pages.
I just think people think its cool to hate Microsoft when in actual factor a lot of what they make it top notch stuff.
Neophyte4Life 18th February 2011, 17:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by mucgoo
Quote:
Originally Posted by FelixTech
Holy moly! You can peel this s**t?!?!

It's funny how lots of people use firefox but not many know a lot of commands/shortcuts etc. I have just learned that tabs can be peeled, and I recently told my friend to much amazement that Ctrl-clicking a link opens it in a new tab.

try middle clicking
your mind will be blown

How did i not know this? No more right clicking for me! Kind of reminds of when I learned about lazy unmounts. Haven't had to restart client daemons since. :)
Unicorn 18th February 2011, 18:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by Senilex
I don't hate IE, in all honesty I think it is fine for the average user. I personally use Opera, but that becuase I used it years ago when it had features that no other browser did and found them useful. When I do have to use IE, I don't moan about it quite simply because there is nothing to moan at about - it displays web pages.
I just think people think its cool to hate Microsoft when in actual factor a lot of what they make it top notch stuff.

I think in "actual factor" what you'll find I wrote is that my opinion of Microsoft remains good, I just prefer to use Mozilla's browser over theirs. I don't think it's cool to hate Microsoft, just like I don't think it's cool or justifiable to hate Apple.
sausages 18th February 2011, 19:52 Quote
I've tried them all, settled on Firefox. Once you start using all the plugins it has like Session Manager and stuff, you'll never look back. I found Chrome to be slightly faster (by like half a second or so), but I didn't like some things about it and it missed a lot of the plugins I use for FF that I can't live without now.
bobwya 18th February 2011, 20:57 Quote
Firefox - cross-platform (Linux-Mint / Windows 7) and it has the wonderful Firefox sync!!
Sloth 18th February 2011, 21:08 Quote
Between NoScript and mouse gestures I'm not sure I could ever use a browser other than Firefox. It changes the experience.
dr-strangelove 18th February 2011, 23:23 Quote
IE is the hummer of internet browsers; big & gaudy, eats up precious resources and is, for some unfathomable reason, incredibly popular

Chrome is my current favourite, I have found it to be the fastest to load (Firefox's greatest fault is it's load times) and I have always found tabs in Chrome to be easier & faster to use than those of other browsers.
dr-strangelove 18th February 2011, 23:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
You are all delusional if you think you can tell the difference in webpage speeds while browsing.

Probably true while browsing, but startup times vary incredibly between the browsers and how quickly you can get onto the web has a huge impact on your overall experience. Whatever a browser's other advantages/flaws, I feel that the one that gets you surfing quickest will always leave the best impression.
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Originally Posted by Snips
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Originally Posted by Unicorn

Is that supposed to be a joke? Clearly you know little about browsers coming out with a statement like that. IE Sucks and I think well over 90% of bit-tech members would agree with me on that if it was put to a vote. I've used Firefox since it's been in existence... same with the Thunderbird email client. They are just better than the alternatives in every single way, I don't think I need to go into details but as an example, you try installing 10 plugins, 5 addons and a library of over 1500 bookmarks on IE and see how fast it runs. Firefox, on the other hand, handles all of that for me as well as running with dozens of open tabs day after day.

Actually, that's just your opinion. Worldwide, IE is STILL the No 1 browser

If you consider market share to be the ultimate measure of quality then the top 3 browsers in descending order are IE8, Firefox 3.6 and IE6. Clearly bad news for microsoft that their latest browser is worse than IE6.

At the end of the day you should choose your browser based on the one you like the most, not by looking to see what everyone else is doing
GoodBytes 18th February 2011, 23:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by dr-strangelove
IE9 is the hummer of internet browsers; big & gaudy, eats up precious resources and is, for some unfathomable reason, incredibly popular
Oh No! What what will you ever do? It consumes a mighty 16MB out of your 1TB HDD, and oh no 100MB of your RAM out of your 6GB. DAMN! Imagine what you can do with that much resources gained.

Please, this is the silliest argument I ever heard. It was valid back in 1995-2000, but now resources is not an issue anymore. The problem now, is that software don't take advantage of our computer. FINALLY web browsers can use our GPU.

Quote:
Chrome is my current favourite, I have found it to be the fastest to load (Firefox's greatest fault is it's load times) and I have always found tabs in Chrome to be easier & faster to use than those of other browsers.
Chrome consumes more memory and CPU than IE9 and Firefox 4. So I just voided your first argumentation completely.
RichCreedy 18th February 2011, 23:59 Quote
not to mention googles penchant for recording usage information along with ip addresses etc
Nexxo 19th February 2011, 00:13 Quote
I wish companies would spend less time criticising competitors' products and more time improving their own.
LordPyrinc 19th February 2011, 02:10 Quote
I've been using IE for over a decade. It's stable, regularly patched, and does what I need it to do without me having to download another program on my computer. I'm not going to get into a "measuring" contest of which browser is better, because it really doesn't matter. I built this computer for gaming.
Aracos 19th February 2011, 04:23 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snips
Actually, that's just your opinion. Worldwide, IE is STILL the No 1 browser.

Didn't Firefox just take over IE in europeon market share? Making firefox the favoured browser of europe?
l3v1ck 19th February 2011, 04:55 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by FelixTech
Ctrl-clicking a link opens it in a new tab.
That involves having to move a hand to the keyboard and using the mouse. I much prefer right clicking on it and opening it in a new tab there.
jimmyjj 20th February 2011, 19:12 Quote
I think there's a market for different browsers to appeal to different people.

I like Chrome for its simplicity. You do not have to mess around with add ons for it to be a speedy, pleasant and effective browser.

Firefox seems to me to be for the "tinkerer" those who love to customise their experience completely.

The day Chrome becomes more complicated to try to compete with other browsers will be a sad day. I love its speed and simplicity. It even has flash built in which is a nice touch.

I have used every iteration of internet explorer since way back and I always found it to be slow and crashtastic. It unbelievable they got away with it for so long. Competition has definitely helped web browsers get better.

This is good for all of us.
hexx 21st February 2011, 10:13 Quote
ie9, shame, it was shaping quite well but they don't support quite a lot of new html5 features. firefox, well i must use it as firebug extension is something i really need. chrome? using only for blogs and news. for me at home it's safari, at work firefox + all browsers (i'm web dev, so i need to test on all)
hexx 21st February 2011, 10:15 Quote
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Originally Posted by hexx
ie9, shame, it was shaping quite well but they don't support quite a lot of new html5 features. firefox, well i must use it as firebug extension is something i really need. chrome? using only for blogs and news. for me at home it's safari, at work firefox + all browsers (i'm web dev, so i need to test on all)

just to add - ff usually takes good 700 megs from memory when i work (usually 8+ tabs) and became sluggish, still believe that version 2 was the best one. the most recent one crashes quite often. at first i thought it's one of the dodgy extensions, so i removed them all, still crashes randomly.
KidMod-Southpaw 21st February 2011, 10:40 Quote
Well they would do this wouldn't they? It's like these price comparison adverts that asda and tesco have, each of them claim to use an independent checker and so it seems, they're always cheaper. Of course, with Microsoft being such a big company they probably did make the test, they may not have rigged it. I've used firefox for years and although I think it beats IE, Internet Explorer is still stable, it's compatible with about 99% of the stuff out there. The only difference is that there's not as much support for add- ons and it doesn't get updated as much, but I have to agree, the only reason IE still has so much market share is because the majority of users just stick with it when they buy an OEM pc.
hexx 21st February 2011, 11:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by KidMod-Southpaw
I've used firefox for years and although I think it beats IE, Internet Explorer is still stable, it's compatible with about 99% of the stuff out there.

it's compatible only because devs spend another 4+ hours fixing broken layout for ie, implementing ie specific css and so on. devs hate IE and will always do unless IE starts to support standards and will stop using system elements in the browser.

and that's exactly the problems mozilla pointed out - poor support of standards, lot of missing stuff from css3, html5 (i'm talking about ie9 now - previous versions have almost zero support).

you can't imagine how painful it is to develop something what works across all browsers. I simply code up something which works fine in FF/WebKit and then when i open it in IE fun begins.
Xir 21st February 2011, 13:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by Snips
You are all delusional if you think you can tell the difference in webpage speeds while browsing.
Try reading Webcomics, Chrome insta-opens them, FF and IE for some reason take time.
impar 21st February 2011, 14:23 Quote
Greetings!
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Originally Posted by Xir
Try reading Webcomics, Chrome insta-opens them, FF and IE for some reason take time.
:|
Just tried. What should take time?
GoodBytes 21st February 2011, 15:11 Quote
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Originally Posted by hexx
it's compatible only because devs spend another 4+ hours fixing broken layout for ie, implementing ie specific css and so on. devs hate IE and will always do unless IE starts to support standards and will stop using system elements in the browser.

and that's exactly the problems mozilla pointed out - poor support of standards, lot of missing stuff from css3, html5 (i'm talking about ie9 now - previous versions have almost zero support).

you can't imagine how painful it is to develop something what works across all browsers. I simply code up something which works fine in FF/WebKit and then when i open it in IE fun begins.
True, but that has changed since IE8. Microsoft had no choice.
hexx 21st February 2011, 15:39 Quote
@GoodBytes yep, it did indeed. but we still need to support previous version although we're dropping 100% layout consistency for IE6 (thaks god) so it's IE7+, FF (2+), Safari, Chrome and Opera.
GoodBytes 21st February 2011, 16:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by hexx
@GoodBytes yep, it did indeed. but we still need to support previous version although we're dropping 100% layout consistency for IE6 (thaks god) so it's IE7+, FF (2+), Safari, Chrome and Opera.

yea.. right now IE7 is the problem... but if I am not mistaken, the market share of IE7 is small, compared to the rest. Also.. to be truthful, it's far better than IE 6.. which well doesn't say much, but at least it's something. So soon enough, maybe in a few more years, IE7 will be dropped, and then you can pop the champagne bottle. And go with new recruits "In my old days... our job was a lot more complicated than you youngsters have. It reminds of a story one day....."
Xir 22nd February 2011, 09:58 Quote
Flipping comics.
For some reason FF and IE take a few secs to laod the next one, chrome doesn't.

Don't get me wrong, I use IE and FF extensively, just noticed Chrome is quicker at loading pictures.
I just Noticed in webcomics and picture-heavy forums
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