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Quebec law tramples English-only subtitles

Quebec law tramples English-only subtitles

Starting today, all games on sale in Quebec must have both English and French subtitles if a French language option is available.

A new agreement between the Quebec government and the Entertainment Software Association of Canada now prevents the sale of games which have English but not French subtitles if a French localisation is available.

From today gamers in Quebec who wish to purchase games that do not contain French text or voice may be in for a very, very long wait as French subtitles are added to all games with a French language option. According to The Toronto Star, the new law is designed to "promote and protect the French language."

But the demand from the Quebec government is being met with strong hostility and resentment, as many believe that the goal carries to high a price. "I'm afraid its going to cost me my business." Said Ronnie Rondeau who owns eight Game Buzz stores in Montreal. "If it really was going to make a difference, I'd be for it, but only a small number of people want to play in French."

Danielle Parr, head of the Entertainment Software Association of Canada admitted that French language games (designed for release in France) are likely not to make it to the Province. And with Quebec's relatively small gaming market, the general consensus is that some games will never be released there as the sector of the market demanding French subtitles is actually quite small.

Do you feel for gamers in Quebec? Let your thoughts be heard in the forums.

Update: In response to some emails about this, we'd like to quickly clarify that this only effects games that are available elsewhere in the world in French, exempting some smaller publishers who only create games in one language. If a French localisation is available elsewhere in the world then this agreement between the ESAC and Quebec government demands that French subtitles must be included with the game, but not if no French localisation is available elsewhere in the world.

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TreeDude 3rd April 2009, 16:39 Quote
How about a tax rather than a ban? Impose a higher import tax on any game that has no French localization. That way they can still be sold, but there is incentive to localize them. An outright ban does nothing but hurt businesses and these days we need all the businesses we can get.
Orlix 3rd April 2009, 16:41 Quote
Pretty funny...
"promote and protect the French language."
French Canadian movies have subtitles in French when shown in France... wonder why...
Another strike from the Quebec Government that makes no sense. What will they next? become its own country?

Edit: I changed state for country as this might confuse some people.. I do not mean US State. Canada is still an US territorry, I mean separate country...
kiwik 3rd April 2009, 17:10 Quote
I guess I'll have to buy my games from Internet stores instead of locally. 7.5% less taxes on my next purchases, your loss Mr. Charest.
Tulatin 3rd April 2009, 17:27 Quote
Oh **** off Quebec, nobody cares about the French language but you.
TTmodder 3rd April 2009, 17:46 Quote
Quebec, Cry me a friggin river.
Anakha 3rd April 2009, 17:51 Quote
Canada is being royally f**ked by the Quebecois. All public information signs in Canada have to be in both English AND French. Yet, in Quebec, if you put up a sign in English (Even if it's a multi-lingual sign), you are fined heavily, and possibly even subject to jail time.

Amusingly, Quebec wanted to ceed and become part of France, but the French authorities said "No way".

They still want to become a separate country to Canada, though only on the condition that they keep the Canadian army, governmental jobs, oh and the Canadian Dollar.

[edit]Actually, it's not ALL the Quebecois, just a minority of them (10% or less). Every year (It seems) there is a referendum in Quebec over whether or not they should split from Canada (As the Bloc Quebecois want), and every time the vote comes back overwhelmingly "No".[/edit]
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 18:01 Quote
Hmm... well to be honest, it's fundamentally OK for us to do that, since basically our language is our heritage (Yes I'm a french Canadian), so this is a way to try and stop the english language from taking over, that's why we have many other laws already in place to make sure that all written information is to be published/printed in BOTH french AND English.

To people that are looking from the outside, we look like a bunch of retarded hicks who are holding on to old habits, but really it's exactly like the Christians/Muslims or Jewish people(for example, and this is no way a knock on any religion or anything..!!)trying to have their religion respected by others... To us our linguistic differences is a major part of who we are.
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Originally Posted by Orlix
Pretty funny...
"promote and protect the French language."
French Canadian movies have subtitles in French when shown in France... wonder why...
Another strike from the Quebec Government that makes no sense. What will they next? become its own country?

Edit: I changed state for country as this might confuse some people.. I do not mean US State. Canada is still an US territory, I mean separate country...

Hmm either you're from Ontario, or are pretty ignorant, or maybe both, but everything you said in there is wrong on so many points...

Regarding why the Quebec french movies are subtitled in France's french is due to the fact that event though the Quebec french came initially form Europe, but evolved differently from what is use in France. This is due to the know fact that like every language that's spread across different continents, the local way of using the same language will differ, that's why there's a 100 different version of the same Asian languages, all changing depending on the region.

About Quebec trying to be it's own -> Independent Country <- instead of a province, that motion was initiated by sovereignty oriented politicians, because earlier in the 20th century, wayyyy before Alberta started producing Crude oil(thus shifting the wealth of the country drastically), Quebec was in a situation where they contributed immensely to the total country's revenue, but we were being treated like sh!t by the federal government, because they felt that we were a small bunch and that we were "extremists" trying to hold on to something that was pointless in their eyes, our own heritage.

That's all in the past, the Idea of being our own country still lurks, but it's more a pipe dream than anything...

So please read up on that kind of stuff before posting derogatory remarks like that.
notatoad 3rd April 2009, 18:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by Orlix
Pretty funny...
"promote and protect the French language."
French Canadian movies have subtitles in French when shown in France... wonder why...

lol, hearing that just made my day. quebec nationalism really, really annoys me. actually, most of quebec politics annoys me, i hate how they act like they deserve special treatment from the federal government, and then most of the time get it. i hate how they have more seats in parliament that the other provinces. and i really, really hate language laws.
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 18:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by Anakha

[edit]Actually, it's not ALL the Quebecois, just a minority of them (10% or less). Every year (It seems) there is a referendum in Quebec over whether or not they should split from Canada (As the Bloc Quebecois want), and every time the vote comes back overwhelmingly "No".[/edit]

Exactly! We are being judge by people criticizing 10% of people that do see that sovereignty is the way to go, but ignore the 90% that think it's stupid and in no way the future of this province...
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Originally Posted by Anakha
Canada is being royally f**ked by the Quebecois. All public information signs in Canada have to be in both English AND French. Yet, in Quebec, if you put up a sign in English (Even if it's a multi-lingual sign), you are fined heavily, and possibly even subject to jail time.

About that; Basically you're accusing Quebec of making FEDERAL laws that establishes that all official documents be in both French and ENGLISH...Care to explain to me hoe the heck that happened?! And also i'm pretty sure that having Spanish/Chinese/dutch/Japanese as our second official language would make much more sense?!? WTF!!

And for the signs thing you posted, If the sign you want to put up is bilingual, there won't be any problem. Also note that the our governmental "loosened" it's grip on some points regarding English named businesses: The allowed Foreign companies to retain the original english names, though that is pretty recent(last 10 years or so).

also, I sure hope that you're not referring to the situation in Montreal where an OLD style English Pub received fines because they put up old, English only, advertisement posters from the '30s and '40s, because that was stupid, on the government's part, in every way. Like i said before there are some "linguistic" extremists among our politicians, but that's not all of them.

And to all those who are saying F**K us.. hmm very mature...
talladega 3rd April 2009, 18:22 Quote
got one question. is there really language police in quebec?

if so, then !@#$@$%$@# on them.
Zut 3rd April 2009, 18:24 Quote
Couldn't people just order stuff from Ontario instead?
TreeDude 3rd April 2009, 18:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
To people that are looking from the outside, we look like a bunch of retarded hicks who are holding on to old habits, but really it's exactly like the Christians/Muslims or Jewish people(for example, and this is no way a knock on any religion or anything..!!)trying to have their religion respected by others... To us our linguistic differences is a major part of who we are.

That is totally not the same thing. The majority of the people in Quebec could care less if games are localized as most know English. It is a pointless law that even the people don't want because it is going to put stores out of business. Even if the economy were ok right now this is still something they should ease into. Start with a small tax or some sort of incentive for the game makers first, then when most of them have made the localizations, you put the ban in place. That way you don't hurt the middle man in the process.
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 18:28 Quote
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Originally Posted by talladega
got one question. is there really language police in Quebec?

if so, then !@#$@$%$@# on them.

If there are laws regarding languages, who the hell else is there to make sure everybody applies/uphold them?

They're not "Police", but more like government workers (no guns or batons, just suits.LOL) that are part of a government body which functions is to make sure that the linguistic laws are uphold. Exactly like the DEA, FDA, etc in the US...
Anakha 3rd April 2009, 18:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
Hmm... well to be honest, it's fundamentally OK for us to do that, since basically our language is our heritage (Yes I'm a french Canadian), so this is a way to try and stop the english language from taking over, that's why we have many other laws already in place to make sure that all written information is to be published/printed in BOTH french AND English.

You know, I find it quite amazing that the Ukrainian, Chinese, Indian (That's East Indian, not First Nations), Cuban and other immigrants and non-English types don't need their heritage mandated in law, they can simply and easily hold on to the heritage they have, passing it down through family and community the same way they always have done, without having to try and force it down the throats of other people through the dictates of the legal system.

If the French-Canadian "Heritage" is so fragile it requires government mandated intervention to keep it, is it really worth keeping? What makes the French-Canadian heritage any better than the heritage of the Ukrainian immigrants? They make up a larger portion of this country, and yet have zero laws to mandate their heritage. If all written information is to be published in both French and English, why not also Ukrainian, Chinese, Portuguese...?

Your desire to keep hold of your heritage is admirable. The methodology you have chosen to use to do so, however, is contemptible.
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 18:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by TreeDude
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
To people that are looking from the outside, we look like a bunch of retarded hicks who are holding on to old habits, but really it's exactly like the Christians/Muslims or Jewish people(for example, and this is no way a knock on any religion or anything..!!)trying to have their religion respected by others... To us our linguistic differences is a major part of who we are.

That is totally not the same thing. The majority of the people in Quebec could care less if games are localized as most know English. It is a pointless law that even the people don't want because it is going to put stores out of business. Even if the economy were ok right now this is still something they should ease into. Start with a small tax or some sort of incentive for the game makers first, then when most of them have made the localizations, you put the ban in place. That way you don't hurt the middle man in the process.

The method which they use is draconian to say the least..On that I agree fully.

But, for example, Nintendo (I mean games made by them completely) are all in French/English and Spanish from the get go, that way they can distribute them in several countries without the need to have different packaging/manuals/localized versions...
Lazarus Dark 3rd April 2009, 18:51 Quote
Who cares? If you don't love it, I would suggest moving to another country. An important one.
2bdetermine 3rd April 2009, 18:57 Quote
"promote and protect the French language."

They make it sound like they're the only french speaking left on the planet.

Quebecois separatist, think of them as a spoil child nothing more.
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 19:13 Quote
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Originally Posted by Zut
Couldn't people just order stuff from Ontario instead?

Yes, yes they could, like I do when I want to buy unavailable English books/English packaged products, etc.
Stonewall78 3rd April 2009, 19:20 Quote
[QUOTE=Anakha]
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly


If the French-Canadian "Heritage" is so fragile it requires government mandated intervention to keep it, is it really worth keeping? What makes the French-Canadian heritage any better than the heritage of the Ukrainian immigrants? They make up a larger portion of this country, and yet have zero laws to mandate their heritage. If all written information is to be published in both French and English, why not also Ukrainian, Chinese, Portuguese...?

Your desire to keep hold of your heritage is admirable. The methodology you have chosen to use to do so, however, is contemptible.

This is why the rest of Canada doesn't like you Quebec, listen up and get your act in order before the rest of us gang up and just boot you out of the country for being suck little babies. Government mandated "Heritage" is not true heritage and you are just spoiling the idea of holding onto your past for the next generation. The only thing they will remember is it being shoved down their throat and it will leave a bad taste in there mouth. Luckily the rest of this country doesn't put up with that BS.
Anakha 3rd April 2009, 19:25 Quote
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You might want to sort out that quoting. I said what was posted, not Mcmonopoly.
iggy 3rd April 2009, 19:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by talladega
got one question. is there really language police in quebec?

if so, then !@#$@$%$@# on them.

i can see why you might be scared of any language police.
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 19:32 Quote
[QUOTE=Stonewall78]
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Originally Posted by Anakha
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly


If the French-Canadian "Heritage" is so fragile it requires government mandated intervention to keep it, is it really worth keeping? What makes the French-Canadian heritage any better than the heritage of the Ukrainian immigrants? They make up a larger portion of this country, and yet have zero laws to mandate their heritage. If all written information is to be published in both French and English, why not also Ukrainian, Chinese, Portuguese...?

Your desire to keep hold of your heritage is admirable. The methodology you have chosen to use to do so, however, is contemptible.

This is why the rest of Canada doesn't like you Quebec, listen up and get your act in order before the rest of us gang up and just boot you out of the country for being suck little babies. Government mandated "Heritage" is not true heritage and you are just spoiling the idea of holding onto your past for the next generation. The only thing they will remember is it being shoved down their throat and it will leave a bad taste in there mouth. Luckily the rest of this country doesn't put up with that BS.

Since this comment seems to be directed at me, and since people don't have any valid arguments against what we are trying to achieve (in some ways with drastic measures, I must admit) other than we "cry" about nothing and everything, with no reason, this point seems like it won't be understood at all, even more by people preoccupied by the fact that we are trying to preserve the values in which our roots are made of....

In that train of thoughts, it's pretty easy for the rest of the Canada, which of whom don't have any inherent differences/heritage to try and save , to dismiss other People wishes to keep their own, I mean apart from money-hungry b*tches, I can't say that there's any heritage to speak from...How's that?! Pretty shallow uh?! If your native language is of no importance to you fine, but having the right to uphold ours is fundamental, and no one can say we are wrong in doing so.

And please DO NOT refer to my posts with "YOU QUEBEC" anymore please, I'm not representing the whole province, and my views differ greatly from the separatist bunch in so may ways.... I'm just trying to give people another point of view, which is sometimes hard to attain when not having seen/heard/studied what the people of Quebec are fundamentally about.
GoodBytes 3rd April 2009, 19:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by TreeDude
How about a tax rather than a ban? Impose a higher import tax on any game that has no French localization. That way they can still be sold, but there is incentive to localize them. An outright ban does nothing but hurt businesses and these days we need all the businesses we can get.

Dude in Quebec we already one of the most taxed region ever... and the government still can't deliver any services (including abysmal road condition) and still in deficit.
pizan 3rd April 2009, 19:34 Quote
I guess French Canadians are still French...
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 19:39 Quote
And just to put it in perspective, when our Prime minister went to France to meet Sarkozy, the French President/Prime minister squarely said to our (Sovereign oriented)Quebec Prime Minister to basically "down play" the Whole sovereign country thing, that it was not in the greatest interest of our Province/country, with which I fully agree!!
Otto69 3rd April 2009, 19:42 Quote
Living there and not being Quebecois must be about as bad as living in Utah and not being a Mormon.
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 19:43 Quote
[QUOTE=GoodBytes]
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Originally Posted by TreeDude
To all, please understand that Quebec is very divided in how we think. You can't even devide us by saying "Montreal" or "Quebec city" as that is still not true, as these regions is also sub divided.

Very well put!

And like he/she said, the government is at a loss, has been for a long time, IMO it's the whole socialist part of it that's pulling us down, trying to please each and every group of people with demands.
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 19:52 Quote
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Originally Posted by Otto69
Living there and not being Quebecois must be about as bad as living in Utah and not being a Mormon.

Yeah another ignorant post. The immigration numbers are through the F'n roof, why?!?! Because when you live here you can go to school (good ones) for free and that's all the way to University , get medical attention (without having to pay huge amounts of money for insurances) which requires some patience at times I must admit, but still, finding affordable housing/apartments that aren't total dumps, social groups/program for almost every f'n problem you might have....Oh and also we try and resolve our problems socially, peacefully, by relying on the government to instate programs/laws so that everybody will be happy in the end, which IMO is worth a lot.

And lucky fro me I have the chance to frequently exchange with people from so many different origins/countries/religions, so I can try and paint a bigger picture for myself, what we represent to other people, etc.
cpemma 3rd April 2009, 19:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
To people that are looking from the outside, we look like a bunch of retarded hicks who are holding on to old habits.
Switzerland has many public signs in three languages, French, German and Italian, and it's the most advanced country on earth. The Welsh (not nearly the most advanced country on earth) also have the legal right to bi-lingual road signs though only about 20% of the natives can read them and the sign-writers frequently cock up the translation.
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A council put up a Welsh language road sign reading "I am out of the office at the moment" when it should have said "No entry for heavy goods vehicles".
silverphoenix 3rd April 2009, 20:08 Quote
The whole signs deal reminds me of when I was younger and living in Palisades Park NJ. Which has a HUGE Korean population, the mayor at the time passed a mandate that all the Korean businesses had to put up an English equivalent sign, then they went a bit far and put a curfew on Korean owned businesses(restaurants included) at 4am, while the non Korean businesses were allowed to be open 24hrs. After a few years and enough people got green cards they got a town council member and ousted the mayor and fixed a few of those things.

I think the way Quebec is going about this is all wrong and just hurts them and makes them look very arrogant. I think it is great that Quebecians are trying to save a part of who many of them are but if you truly want to save the language the people just need to use it. I speak Korean fluently and write it to, but I moved to a rural town when I was 12 where there were no Koreans let alone asians, no asian/korean media. I still got along fine I know my parents heritage etc, why? I use it at home they taught me it and there was no mandated law from Korea forcing my parents to teach me it. If something culturally is worth fighting for then you don't need laws to protect them.
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 20:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by cpemma
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
To people that are looking from the outside, we look like a bunch of retarded hicks who are holding on to old habits.
Switzerland has many public signs in three languages, French, German and Italian, and it's the most advanced country on earth. The Welsh (not nearly the most advanced country on earth) also have the legal right to bi-lingual road signs though only about 20% of the natives can read them and the sign-writers frequently cock up the translation.
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Originally Posted by Guardian
A council put up a Welsh language road sign reading "I am out of the office at the moment" when it should have said "No entry for heavy goods vehicles".

Good example, but in the case of Switzerland, I think the different posted languages have more to do with the fact that the country is bordered in part by France, Italy and Germany, which in turn provides a greater means for the native language of the immigrants coming from each respective country to want to be uphold.

Simply put It's pretty hard not to acknowledge the fact fact that a good portion of your country's inhabitant speaks many different languages, when you can travel to and from each country IN THE SAME DAY!!

This holds true also for certain parts of the cities bordering the US/CANADA, and even in respective regions of other Provinces than Quebec( Northern Ontario holds a good % of french speaking folks, for that I can personally attest!)
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 20:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by silverphoenix
The whole signs deal reminds me of when I was younger and living in Palisades Park NJ. Which has a HUGE Korean population, the mayor at the time passed a mandate that all the Korean businesses had to put up an English equivalent sign, then they went a bit far and put a curfew on Korean owned businesses(restaurants included) at 4am, while the non Korean businesses were allowed to be open 24hrs. After a few years and enough people got green cards they got a town council member and ousted the mayor and fixed a few of those things.

I think the way Quebec is going about this is all wrong and just hurts them and makes them look very arrogant. I think it is great that Quebecians are trying to save a part of who many of them are but if you truly want to save the language the people just need to use it. I speak Korean fluently and write it to, but I moved to a rural town when I was 12 where there were no Koreans let alone asians, no asian/korean media. I still got along fine I know my parents heritage etc, why? I use it at home they taught me it and there was no mandated law from Korea forcing my parents to teach me it. If something culturally is worth fighting for then you don't need laws to protect them.

I fully agree with your point.

But the problem with preserving our language by using it though, is how the English language is so present/embedded in the World's culture, is that it inherently affects the way we speak.

I mean for example unless you are really trying to sound like a jerk, you will use anglicized words in your sentences, Ie. I rarely say " Je vais changer mes freins sur ma voiture"(i'll change the brakes on my car) we will often say "je vais changer les ->brakes<- sur ma voiture"...You see right there, we just lost 1/8th of the french content in that sentence. And that's a simple example.

Note that I don't converse with younger people or have to deal with them veru often (i Hate kids sorry), so I can't testify on the state of the current spoken french used by the new generations, but with all the ways they are exposed to the world, I am pretty sure they use even more English words than we did...

And IMHO, the reason I think we do that is the fact that from the point when North America became "industrialized" every one wanted to adopt to US standards/terms/etc., thus giving them a chance to exchange in goods/services without having to experience social clashes, that we got assimilated a bit by that, and now we are stuck with a linguistic melting pot in which we find the French language to be a small minority.

Best example of this is the Imperial measuring system, why is it still present in my everyday work, since we are an Official Metric country?!?! Heck even THE UK has switched to the Metric system?!? in the 1800's!! Why because since the US are still using the imperial system, and since they are the country with which we mostly do business, we cave in to their standards still (the US are 1out of the only 3 officially remaining Imperial countries, according to this chart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SI-metrication-world.png)
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 20:53 Quote
oh and just to let everyone know, that article/title is wrong and misleading in many ways : [From article]..."French language rules on video games come into force today prohibiting the sale of new English-only video games in Quebec if a French version is available. That's a freaking difference from "ALL GAMES WILL REQUIRE ENGLISH SUBTITLES" Doesn't it?!

And BTW the law has been that way for a long time, maybe they just didn't enforce it that much.

That why I hate regurgitated Stories from other sites..LOL Get you facts right!!
lp1988 3rd April 2009, 21:31 Quote
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In that train of thoughts, it's pretty easy for the rest of the Canada, which of whom don't have any inherent differences/heritage to try and save , to dismiss other People wishes to keep their own, I mean apart from money-hungry b*tches, I can't say that there's any heritage to speak from...How's that?! Pretty shallow uh?! If your native language is of no importance to you fine, but having the right to uphold ours is fundamental, and no one can say we are wrong in doing so.

Please don't go and say that others don't have an heritage that are worth saving, that is just doing the same thing as many others.
but honestly if you find the frence language and your heritage so important, then why are you not in france? whenever you move to a diffrent contry you ajust to their culture. I have lived in the US for a year, (highschool) and lived with mormons (or the churtch of latter day saints as they say), have lived in Australia for a month, and are currently living in Germany. if you find the culture of the contry you are ind great, you stay AND AJUST TO THE CULTURE, if you don't, leave..

I don't know why but doing something like this seems to be common to french people... I have been in france, in a turist area, I could speak english an a little german, (I am Dane but don't count on anybody speaking Danish) I thought that was enough to get along... how disappointed I was, didn't meet one single french person that spoke any other language than french...

by the way thank you for having the guts to write what you do, I know you get a lot of S***t for it ;)
Otto69 3rd April 2009, 21:33 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
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Originally Posted by Otto69
Living there and not being Quebecois must be about as bad as living in Utah and not being a Mormon.

Yeah another ignorant post. The immigration numbers are through the F'n roof, why?!?! Because when you live here you can go to school (good ones) for free and that's all the way to University , get medical attention .

Don't all these things apply to Canada overall, not just Quebec? Or are you saying that Canadians are flocking to become Quebecois?
talladega 3rd April 2009, 21:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
If there are laws regarding languages, who the hell else is there to make sure everybody applies/uphold them?

They're not "Police", but more like government workers (no guns or batons, just suits.LOL) that are part of a government body which functions is to make sure that the linguistic laws are uphold. Exactly like the DEA, FDA, etc in the US...
I know they need to have signs and stuff in both languages in Quebec and there is nothing wrong with that.

But there are places where it is only french and where english is not even allowed at all and non-tourists can get in trouble for speaking english. And supposedly there is 'language police' that will fine you or whatever for speaking english. This is according to people I know who have been to Quebec. Is that actually true?

IMO it should never be pure 100% french as Canada is an english country. If it is a french area then have the signs in both languages, but they should not be allowed to have law to only have french and no english.

Didn't the french lose the war?



What about all those rental cars in southern US? If anyone knows about that......
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 21:50 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
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Originally Posted by Otto69
Living there and not being Quebecois must be about as bad as living in Utah and not being a Mormon.

Yeah another ignorant post. The immigration numbers are through the F'n roof, why?!?! Because when you live here you can go to school (good ones) for free and that's all the way to University , get medical attention .

Don't all these things apply to Canada overall, not just Quebec? Or are you saying that Canadians are flocking to become Quebecois?

No but they don't seem to mind that much when they come to Quebec, since they do have a choice to where they want to live...
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 21:56 Quote
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In that train of thoughts, it's pretty easy for the rest of the Canada, which of whom don't have any inherent differences/heritage to try and save , to dismiss other People wishes to keep their own, I mean apart from money-hungry b*tches, I can't say that there's any heritage to speak from...How's that?! Pretty shallow uh?! If your native language is of no importance to you fine, but having the right to uphold ours is fundamental, and no one can say we are wrong in doing so.

Please don't go and say that others don't have an heritage that are worth saving, that is just doing the same thing as many others.
but honestly if you find the frence language and your heritage so important, then why are you not in france? whenever you move to a diffrent contry you ajust to their culture. I have lived in the US for a year, (highschool) and lived with mormons (or the churtch of latter day saints as they say), have lived in Australia for a month, and are currently living in Germany. if you find the culture of the contry you are ind great, you stay AND AJUST TO THE CULTURE, if you don't, leave..

I don't know why but doing something like this seems to be common to french people... I have been in france, in a turist area, I could speak english an a little german, (I am Dane but don't count on anybody speaking Danish) I thought that was enough to get along... how disappointed I was, didn't meet one single french person that spoke any other language than french...

by the way thank you for having the guts to write what you do, I know you get a lot of S***t for it ;)

It seems you didn't catch what I was trying to do here...In no way was that directed or intended to offend or to be malicious towards anyone, I was just acting like the typical Canadian Joe, that only likes to pick on everything we are trying to achieve , by saying bad/stupid things, that never add up to insightful arguments/conversations! That's all, saying that we should suck it up and shut up is in no way an argument, but comment made here where going towards that, and I was just pointing out that if I wanted to drum up stupid/hurtful replies, I was able to do so quite effectively, but since I tend to try and keep cool and debate my differing opinions, I felt I had to point it out.
Ta10n 3rd April 2009, 22:03 Quote
Ugh, the ol' language excuse

Being an Ontario resident (yay Canada!) I certainly hear enough of this crazy culture/language stuff on the news all the time. Here are my thoughts:

Language. Don't care. Language is meerly a form of expression. I would be perfectly happy if the everyone was forced to learn one language (English, German, Japanese, French, don't really care. Although I would kind of lean towards Japanese for the cool factor). Certainly you couldn't achieve the desired result with this generation (certain elements of certain languages have to be developed by a certain age, or they are near impossible to pick up), but the next one for sure. It would be worth it just to be able to go to a foreign country (or to Quebec) and not have a permanent "WTF are you saying" look on my face the whole time. Of course people try to defend their choosen language (we've all kind of been conditioned that way), but really as long as people understand what you're saying why the hell does it matter?

Culture. Don't care. If people think it's cool it will keep rolling, if not it will die. Stick it in a book and maybe someone will try reviving it someday. New culture is being formed everyday, lets keep the ball rolling. Certainly I appreciate and even like a lot of cultural stuff, but it doesn't need some sort of active defense. My very experiencing it/enjoying it/passing it on will keep it alive for me and anyone else who enjoys it.

On another note it just riles me that what appears to be a small group of people have managed to dick over Quebec's image to make all Quebec residents look like assholes. Gilles Duceppe and various other political figures have done a fantastic job of this. I mean, no offense, but you'd have to be pretty stuck up to think that Quebec could just split off from Canada and go on merrily. Of course any province would have to be pretty stuck up to think like that. We have to stick together bros! Or the US of A will pick us off one by one! Alberta's developing weapons of mass destruction, better invade them! Oh wait, nope, just here for the oil....
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 22:06 Quote
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Originally Posted by talladega
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
If there are laws regarding languages, who the hell else is there to make sure everybody applies/uphold them?

They're not "Police", but more like government workers (no guns or batons, just suits.LOL) that are part of a government body which functions is to make sure that the linguistic laws are uphold. Exactly like the DEA, FDA, etc in the US...
I know they need to have signs and stuff in both languages in Quebec and there is nothing wrong with that.

But there are places where it is only french and where english is not even allowed at all and non-tourists can get in trouble for speaking english. And supposedly there is 'language police' that will fine you or whatever for speaking english. This is according to people I know who have been to Quebec. Is that actually true?

IMO it should never be pure 100% french as Canada is an english country. If it is a french area then have the signs in both languages, but they should not be allowed to have law to only have french and no english.

Didn't the french lose the war?



What about all those rental cars in southern US? If anyone knows about that......

About the war, yes we lost, but through debate (read begging-HA) we were able to keep what we have now in terms of territory.

As far as French only, In no way is there any law or officer that will fine you/stop you/detain you if you can't speak French?!?! WTF is that!! I mean the people who told you that either lied or were trying to discourage you to go to Quebec...

As someone pointed out above, in France if you look like an American and try and talk to them in english, 99% of the time they will tell you off literally, even more so since the US accused the French of not accepting to comply with the US demands when it came time to go in the middle east.... So basically the US citizen brought that upon themselves....The French/we are socialist/pacifist countries not bent toward attacking other countries.

Generally if you try and speak in english in say Montreal, there's @ 80%+ chance you will get an answer in english, and with a smile...
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 22:19 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ta10n
On another note it just riles me that what appears to be a small group of people have managed to dick over Quebec's image to make all Quebec residents look like assholes. Gilles Duceppe and various other political figures have done a fantastic job of this. I mean, no offense, but you'd have to be pretty stuck up to think that Quebec could just split off from Canada and go on merrily. Of course any province would have to be pretty stuck up to think like that. We have to stick together bros! Or the US of A will pick us off one by one! Alberta's developing weapons of mass destruction, better invade them! Oh wait, nope, just here for the oil....

Nicely put also, also again I just want to point out that in doing what the government is doing, it's main goal are to attain/keep what it considers "ideals", like protecting our linguistic heritage and whatnot, but again the government here is what it is, and as hard as we'd like it to become better, it seems that we're in a rut...

I mean I replied to this thread, only because people were calling us out and putting us down because they think that for a government to try and retain a fickle (in there own eyes, mind you) thing like our linguistic heritage. That's as dumb as picking on someone because their skin is of different color... I was raised in a french household, in a french neighborhood, went to french school and college, but today I don't watch TV in french at all, no radio at all, my work is done at 75% in english and only read on great English websites like this one...so this is not even coming from someone who is afraid of being assimilated....only frustrated to be categorized by outsiders that saw that our government passed a law that makes sure that if a game has a french version somewhere in the world, that we get it....

LOL, yeah WMDs in Alberta...
GoodBytes 3rd April 2009, 22:31 Quote
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But there are places where it is only french and where english is not even allowed at all and non-tourists can get in trouble for speaking english. And supposedly there is 'language police' that will fine you or whatever for speaking english. This is according to people I know who have been to Quebec. Is that actually true?

No way, dude!
The only thing that is somewhat remotely close to this fakery, is that the government has some agent (going out when there is a complaint about a business related to this note), which verifies that all signs in English must have French version on top and the English one must be smaller in size. This includes company names. And that restaurants menu are available in French and English (either 2 different versions, or one but follows the signs criteria).

Now you must ask react and say "Buisness names in French as well!", Well yes... but they are workarounds.
- Company name can be classified as a persons/family name so that is ignored.
- Company name replaces the apostrophe at the end of their name with an image (i.e: restaurant named "Tom's" to "Tom (red pepper picture as superscript) s" and the restaurant name is registered as Toms... )
- Or add a french word at the begging... like in Canad we have a famous coffee place called "Second Cup"... but in Quebec it's names "Les cafes Second Cup", where "Les cafes" is put in black font color behind a dark brown background, on top and small. That works too.
Ta10n 3rd April 2009, 23:01 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
Nicely put also, also again I just want to point out that in doing what the government is doing, it's main goal are to attain/keep what it considers "ideals", like protecting our linguistic heritage and whatnot, but again the government here is what it is, and as hard as we'd like it to become better, it seems that we're in a rut...

I mean I replied to this thread, only because people were calling us out and putting us down because they think that for a government to try and retain a fickle (in there own eyes, mind you) thing like our linguistic heritage. That's as dumb as picking on someone because their skin is of different color... I was raised in a french household, in a french neighborhood, went to french school and college, but today I don't watch TV in french at all, no radio at all, my work is done at 75% in english and only read on great English websites like this one...so this is not even coming from someone who is afraid of being assimilated....only frustrated to be categorized by outsiders that saw that our government passed a law that makes sure that if a game has a french version somewhere in the world, that we get it....

LOL, yeah WMDs in Alberta...

Yeah, I would hate to be in the position of any Quebec government. Half the people want to leave Canada, half want to stay in. Half the people want to be really protectionist about their culture, half are just riding the wave and seeing where it ends up. No matter what happens may the poutine live on forever!

I can see where you're coming from with being labled as outsiders and generally picked on. I kind of had a similar, but certainly not as intense experience when I spent some time growing up in the states. You say you're Canadian and everyone looks at you as though they're trying to locate the hunting spears and igloo making tools on your person. Sorry guys, they're in my other parka.....

The labeling kind of reminds me of the whole "American's are stupid" deal. All American's aren't stupid, but most of them who happen to be publicized in any way are.

On an ending note, whoever keeps dicking up the political decisions should wear a big red hat, so we can all concentrate our collective verbal and psycological flak in their direction.

That is all
mikeuk2004 3rd April 2009, 23:14 Quote
Wow, i didnt realise there where so many canadians reading bit-tech until i read this thread :) I seen afew about bout but not this many. Nice to see you all :)
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 23:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
Wow, i didnt realise there where so many canadians reading bit-tech until i read this thread :) I seen afew about bout but not this many. Nice to see you all :)

Yeah This place's Great to read up on the latest, you know in between times I shovel the driveway, and find me some beavers(~you know what kind~)...eh!
Mcmonopoly 3rd April 2009, 23:30 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ta10n
You say you're Canadian and everyone looks at you as though they're trying to locate the hunting spears and igloo making tools on your person. Sorry guys, they're in my other parka.....

LMFAO-Thank you very much for that one Sir..!!
talladega 4th April 2009, 00:34 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
About the war, yes we lost, but through debate (read begging-HA) we were able to keep what we have now in terms of territory.

As far as French only, In no way is there any law or officer that will fine you/stop you/detain you if you can't speak French?!?! WTF is that!! I mean the people who told you that either lied or were trying to discourage you to go to Quebec...

As someone pointed out above, in France if you look like an American and try and talk to them in english, 99% of the time they will tell you off literally, even more so since the US accused the French of not accepting to comply with the US demands when it came time to go in the middle east.... So basically the US citizen brought that upon themselves....The French/we are socialist/pacifist countries not bent toward attacking other countries.

Generally if you try and speak in english in say Montreal, there's @ 80%+ chance you will get an answer in english, and with a smile...
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Originally Posted by GoodBytes
No way, dude!
The only thing that is somewhat remotely close to this fakery, is that the government has some agent (going out when there is a complaint about a business related to this note), which verifies that all signs in English must have French version on top and the English one must be smaller in size. This includes company names. And that restaurants menu are available in French and English (either 2 different versions, or one but follows the signs criteria).

Now you must ask react and say "Buisness names in French as well!", Well yes... but they are workarounds.
- Company name can be classified as a persons/family name so that is ignored.
- Company name replaces the apostrophe at the end of their name with an image (i.e: restaurant named "Tom's" to "Tom (red pepper picture as superscript) s" and the restaurant name is registered as Toms... )
- Or add a french word at the begging... like in Canad we have a famous coffee place called "Second Cup"... but in Quebec it's names "Les cafes Second Cup", where "Les cafes" is put in black font color behind a dark brown background, on top and small. That works too.


Good to know that I've been told wrong then. :)
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
Wow, i didnt realise there where so many canadians reading bit-tech until i read this thread :) I seen afew about bout but not this many. Nice to see you all :)

What are you talking aboot?
lp1988 4th April 2009, 00:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
It seems you didn't catch what I was trying to do here...In no way was that directed or intended to offend or to be malicious towards anyone, I was just acting like the typical Canadian Joe, that only likes to pick on everything we are trying to achieve , by saying bad/stupid things, that never add up to insightful arguments/conversations! That's all, saying that we should suck it up and shut up is in no way an argument, but comment made here where going towards that, and I was just pointing out that if I wanted to drum up stupid/hurtful replies, I was able to do so quite effectively, but since I tend to try and keep cool and debate my differing opinions, I felt I had to point it out.

point taken
Elton 4th April 2009, 02:45 Quote
Only the French..:D

Hope that they don't try to become their country like Paris tried in the past.
leexgx 4th April 2009, 03:14 Quote
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Sale of English-only video games prohibited if French version exists.

as quoted above, Nothing stoping them from selling Both when thay come out (but likey thay only keep 1 copy in at an time to stay within the law, as it not sell well) and nothing from stoping them form selling english untill french one comes out, then thay must Stock French copy as well

alot of sites are reporting that
GoodBytes 4th April 2009, 03:14 Quote
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Originally Posted by Elton

Hope that they don't try to become their country like Paris tried in the past.

Well so, just hurts Quebec. Already at the previous referendum to separate Quebec, it killed a lot of investors and moved companies away from Quebec. Still no recovered today. This is how I saw it. Separating Quebec will lead to extreme complications for everyone, including government, tax payers and businesses. How about setting laws set by Canada.. will there be a lack of laws until the government settles. It might be done quickly and miss explained). Also, they'll need to be recognized world wide.. and using Canadian currency, as they wanted does not help the cause at all, also shows that they don't have their own economy (as they use the Canadian currency).

But as explained on CBC report by experts (I am not sure if they are right or wrong.. just pointing that out that possibility), is that even if at the next referendum, Quebec separate itself. Then what? (as they explained) Well it wont' happen. Because it require the Canada's Governor General approval, which she won't give it. Go higher up you say. Ok... so a visit to the King and Queen of England, which for sure will say no, especially that they are more conservative.

I imagine they put the case into the supreme court but which one... England or Canada's? or the U.N's...

It's a very complicated mater, which I think will scare a lot of people away from Quebec if this happens. The problem is currently the separatist don't really have a solid plan set that I am personally aware off, to know how they will manage Quebec. All I see, is that once they separate... their is not much substance.
Otto69 4th April 2009, 04:16 Quote
Je m'appel Jonathan. Mon crayon est large et jaune.

Je voudrais le Pernod, avec de l'eau.
GoodBytes 4th April 2009, 05:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by Otto69
Je m'appel Jonathan. Mon crayon est large et jaune.

Je voudrais le Pernod, avec de l'eau.

Congratulation, you know how to through meaningless sentences in French. You want a trophy?
Marc5002 4th April 2009, 14:05 Quote
I'm French of Quebec : I Do Like both Gaming in French and english it about same for me
But the way to do force me to play with French subtitle is a Crime i belive It Against Liberty of Thinking
I'l guess if some game won't sell in Ebgames/Futureshop/BestBuy Does of that In Part of Quebec

Then il just Travel to Ontario and buy my game there But Il fell sad to those who can't reach Ontario to get it
What will be of movie ? they are still movie Without French Substile Legally Rent In Quebec
Example Rock n Rolla (Was english only) but the Title on the case Said Roc & Escroc (French meaning of rock n rolla)
But I can tell you they was no FRENCH in that movie : I liked the movie

The Fact that Example if a Game As Great as Fallout 3 was to Come out Without French Subtitles and there for be ban in quebec
And if on top of that they would refuse us to sell us the English Version in Ontario To Quebec people then id call that a The most Stupid Law Every since LAW C-61 Who almost entered in canada and was the most Feared of all LAW

And who Give a damn About Paris I don't give a damn on my Cousin of France they speak Weird : And Act Weird that all they are
It possible we Could Seperate of Canada but With Bad Republic as Jean Charest and Pauline marois Forgive this
Seperate of canada they Would do Twice the mistake and Ruin our Great Country. Yes We give Lot of money to Federal
In a Sort of fiscal imbalance But We are Good To have them For now I guess we have lot of thing Canada Can Benefice us tough

That What I ad to say : tough it would be nice for those who refuse to learn english to be able to understand a Great story They Better not stop us to get the game in english and to ban certain game or il have to buy off ebay or in ontario i want my game that all it is
naokaji 4th April 2009, 14:29 Quote
And the moral of the story is:

Politicians in Quebec are morons like everywhere else in the world.
lp1988 4th April 2009, 15:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by naokaji
And the moral of the story is:

Politicians in Quebec are morons like everywhere else in the world.

well said..
Ironmack FC 4th April 2009, 16:32 Quote
Hey! What are you guys talk about? Languages? english and french??? I see all comments, I also see what people say about our Belle Provience, I find this silly what they say about Quebec, They dont know nothing in Quebec! PERIOD! I am SCOTSMAN! i dont say I am englishman or I am Frenchman, I TELL YOU I am Scotsman! who live in Quebec and speaking English! and still speak french too!, but MOST POINT about this Subtitled, THIS GREAT for Deaf people or hard of hearing like you when you get old OLD and cant hear! so Subtitled will help us to understand, I am Sure there millions of deaf people across North America, not just Quebec! this would be nice for everybody to have subtitle for Deaf people and hard of hearing... I dont care what you talk about Quebec! We already know about Ontario, and Western Canada, and Altantic, I am not going say something about them, we already know how dull out there in ontario! Quebec is Beautiful and have two languages cultures! Especially Quebec GOT HOTTEST BABES than other provience LOL! Whatever!!! Vive Le Quebec!
Otto69 4th April 2009, 16:36 Quote
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Originally Posted by GoodBytes
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Originally Posted by Otto69
Je m'appel Jonathan. Mon crayon est large et jaune.

Je voudrais le Pernod, avec de l'eau.

Congratulation, you know how to through meaningless sentences in French. You want a trophy?

Actually those are quotes from the movie "Gotcha!" :)
n3mo 4th April 2009, 16:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
To people that are looking from the outside, we look like a bunch of retarded hicks who are holding on to old habits, but really it's exactly like the Christians/Muslims or Jewish people(for example, and this is no way a knock on any religion or anything..!!)trying to have their religion respected by others...

So what you are saying is "we look like bunch of retarded hicks, but really it's exactly like other kind of retarded hicks" Nice.

Well, I don't know how the situation really is there (I've been in Quebec a few times but never for more than two days), but from the side view this really sounds dumb.
knuck 4th April 2009, 17:41 Quote
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Originally Posted by Tulatin
Oh **** off Quebec, nobody cares about the French language but you.
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Originally Posted by TTmodder
Quebec, Cry me a friggin river.

true but even though I agree, you guys still dont understand how it is. You can't just exxpect a population to go 'oh well, f*ck our native language, let's speak english'. It is normal that some people do try to protect the french language and tbh, it's a miracle that we still speak it.

That said though , translations are horrible ....ALL the time
GoodBytes 4th April 2009, 17:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ghys

That said though , translations are horrible ....ALL the time

Yes I remember when I played The Sims 1, I accidentally clicked on "French", and installed the game without looking at the installer and went away fomr my computer until it's done.
I ran the game.. saw it was in french and do exit the game. I get as a message "Vou vouler exit. [YES] [NO]"

Correction:
Vou -> Vous
vouler -> Voulez
Exit. -> Should be: quitter (Exit is an English word, of course)
Yes -> Oui
No -> Non

I don't know is that was fixed with a patch... but yea, it's feels like the "All your base are belong to us" but in French.
Mcmonopoly 4th April 2009, 18:43 Quote
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Originally Posted by n3mo
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
To people that are looking from the outside, we look like a bunch of retarded hicks who are holding on to old habits, but really it's exactly like the Christians/Muslims or Jewish people(for example, and this is no way a knock on any religion or anything..!!)trying to have their religion respected by others...

So what you are saying is "we look like bunch of retarded hicks, but really it's exactly like other kind of retarded hicks" Nice.

Well, I don't know how the situation really is there (I've been in Quebec a few times but never for more than two days), but from the side view this really sounds dumb.

Well respecting other people's religious believes is not being retarded, that was just an example, but still, keep in mind that the point of my replies is just to point out that we have some measures in place to make sure that our language is preserved, and that all who do business here must ->try<- and provide French subtitled/translated products, that's all!

And again it's pretty easy to dismiss if you don't live where multiple languages are believe to be the main one to use... I mean IMHO It would be exactly like IF the US decided to start teaching kids in spanish where the concentration of people that talk in spanish is greater than people talking english...How would that feel? But there are laws that make sure that you can receive education in the language you want...

But again I can't stop thinking about the fact that don't seem to realize that ALL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS IN CANADA MUST BE IN BOTH FRENCH AND ENGLISH, whether you are in Quebec or Saskatoon, those are the 2 official languages of CANADA!! So we are not the only one trying to uphold French here...
Mcmonopoly 4th April 2009, 18:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ghys
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tulatin
Oh **** off Quebec, nobody cares about the French language but you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TTmodder
Quebec, Cry me a friggin river.

true but even though I agree, you guys still dont understand how it is. You can't just exxpect a population to go 'oh well, f*ck our native language, let's speak english'. It is normal that some people do try to protect the french language and tbh, it's a miracle that we still speak it.

That said though , translations are horrible ....ALL the time

That's why I prefer to watch ALL movies in their original language, be it french/english/spanish (with subs), etc.. Its very hard to recapture the initial feeling of the movie when the scripted language has been "adapted"...
GoodBytes 4th April 2009, 18:58 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
That's why I prefer to watch ALL movies in their original language, be it french/english/spanish (with subs), etc.. Its very hard to recapture the initial feeling of the movie when the scripted language has been "adapted"...

Yes, the worst part is when the voice over version looses all the tone... like you see a person screaming.. but you hear all calmly, totally mono-tone: "....oh...no... do not do this....."
Dreaming 4th April 2009, 19:16 Quote
It will probably lead to an increase in pirating.

How are they going to stop people buying steam games? Steam is an open content provision service available to anyone with an internet connection, it shouldn't be valves responsibility to ensure whether gamers are legally allowed to buy the games because it's not got the right subtitles.
Mcmonopoly 4th April 2009, 19:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by Dreaming
It will probably lead to an increase in pirating.

How are they going to stop people buying steam games? Steam is an open content provision service available to anyone with an internet connection, it shouldn't be valves responsibility to ensure whether gamers are legally allowed to buy the games because it's not got the right subtitles.

They don't give a Sh!t about online stores, they add sales taxes but that`s all!! It`s all regarding the store bought games... They are not trying to police the world into speak french...
talladega 4th April 2009, 21:57 Quote
fuddle duddle

who knows where thats from?
knuck 4th April 2009, 22:24 Quote
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Originally Posted by Anakha
Canada is being royally f**ked by the Quebecois. All public information signs in Canada have to be in both English AND French. Yet, in Quebec, if you put up a sign in English (Even if it's a multi-lingual sign), you are fined heavily, and possibly even subject to jail time.

Amusingly, Quebec wanted to ceed and become part of France, but the French authorities said "No way".

They still want to become a separate country to Canada, though only on the condition that they keep the Canadian army, governmental jobs, oh and the Canadian Dollar.

[edit]Actually, it's not ALL the Quebecois, just a minority of them (10% or less). Every year (It seems) there is a referendum in Quebec over whether or not they should split from Canada (As the Bloc Quebecois want), and every time the vote comes back overwhelmingly "No".[/edit]

1980
1995

those are the two year this ever happened. If you don't know this then there is no way you could possibly argue with anyone about this whole quebec vs canada thing.

Separatists are stupid, just like any other kind of extremists. They are a group stubborn, close minded selfish ignorant who do not care whether their idea is good or not. They just want it to be applied no matter the cost.

I am from Montréal. I was born in Montréal. I speak both french and english (I learned the latter when I was about 15-16) but I still consider myself Canadian first and Québécois second. I don't think the province where I live deserves to be above the country it's part of. There are a lot of people who either think just like me or simply don't care at all about all the fuss this stupid never ending debate brings up. I mean , check this thread ? Who knew there were so many canadians on this forum ? There is so much hate between the extremists of canada and quebec that normal joblos, who shouldn't even have an opinion oh the subject, just speak their mind because of some crap they heard from friends.


oh and also, apparently, it's really cool to hate whoever speaks french.
talladega 4th April 2009, 23:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by Ghys

oh and also, apparently, it's really cool to hate whoever speaks french.

I notice that alot and I admit to do it myself sometimes but I don't understand why it's done. I think the reason is because of the small percentage of french who are idiots and then we stereotype all the french into a group when it's really only a small percentage.
Orlix 4th April 2009, 23:51 Quote
Hmm.. I did not think you would take it so hard. Good job commenting though. Just a quick question. You say:
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly

Well respecting other people's religious believes is not being retarded, that was just an example, but still, keep in mind that the point of my replies is just to point out that we have some measures in place to make sure that our language is preserved, and that all who do business here must ->try<- and provide French subtitled/translated products, that's all!

You also say
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly
Regarding why the Quebec french movies are subtitled in France's french is due to the fact that event though the Quebec french came initially form Europe, but evolved differently from what is use in France.


I understand about preserving the culture and language is a part of it. As you very well state, language evolves, but which French is the government wanting to preserve? Is it the same as you are?
GoodBytes 5th April 2009, 00:20 Quote
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Originally Posted by talladega
I notice that alot and I admit to do it myself sometimes but I don't understand why it's done. I think the reason is because of the small percentage of french who are idiots and then we stereotype all the french into a group when it's really only a small percentage.

and the small percentage of French that are excessively rude, and has no lack of knowledge on what respect and manners are.
delzear 5th April 2009, 03:02 Quote
In Quebec, the majority of kids don't speak a word of english. But surrounded by english speaking provinces or states, we are not a big enough market to import french game unless obligated. So we had to play game that we don't understand whitchbgot me out of gaming has a kid. I learned english later but never became a gamer, I think the companies should like it don't spend lots of money to import and build your user base of young players.

And by the way, the companies are obligated to sell french game only if it is available in french some were in the world. And usually you have a setting to select the language so there's no problem for the english kids. I don't see the problem, we have the same thing for movies if available somewhere you have to give the option to the buyers.
knuck 5th April 2009, 06:13 Quote
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Hmm.. I did not think you would take it so hard. Good job commenting though. Just a quick question. You say:


You also say


I understand about preserving the culture and language is a part of it. As you very well state, language evolves, but which French is the government wanting to preserve? Is it the same as you are?

Pretty much, yes. Even though we are a small population (about 6 millions french speaking people in quebec out of the 7-7.5 total), we can still influence the "francophonie". We tend to invent technical words instead of using english ones. For examples, we came up for "courriel" as a new french word for email whereas the French (ie from France) don't mind at all using the original english word.

Yes, our way of speaking is different but this is just an accent for the most of it. We actually use a pretty good french with much less anglicism than French do



Oh and I agree about the fact that as a kid it makes games harder to play if you don't understand what's written in them. Just imagine yourselves playing a Japanese RPG that is not translated. Yes, you will end up figuring it out, but it's going to take a lot more time
scrumble 5th April 2009, 08:09 Quote
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And IMHO, the reason I think we do that is the fact that from the point when North America became "industrialized" every one wanted to adopt to US standards/terms/etc., [/quote]

IMHO I think its more to do with media than anything else. The majority of big films are Hollywood, US TV is the same. Because the US companies can spend far more money on such projects they have far more coverage than any other nations media. Of course right now we're using the one media that is doing more to promote English as the predominant international language, the internet. France is trying to preserve its language as much as Quebec, and has a raft of laws in place to restrict the use of English words. But really they should look to Holland, and other scandinavian countries. They've embraced English, and most Dutch speak it, usually better than most people from Britain, but they're own language is still as strong as ever. The thing with English is that it is a mish-mash of other languages anyway, there are plenty of French words in everyday use in English speaking countries.

[quote] Heck even THE UK has switched to the Metric system?!? in the 1800's!! [/quote]

<pedant> We didn't make the switch until the early seventies, and even then its on really been forced into wholesale practice this century. That said, I still buy my beer by the pint, and screws and nails by the inch. Plywood is sold as 8'x4', but most confusing is timber. I'll buy "Two and a half metres of four by two" ;)
unclean 5th April 2009, 14:01 Quote
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Blah blah blah

Ok already...
Mcmonopoly 5th April 2009, 17:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by Mcmonopoly;1952580)

And IMHO, the reason I think we do that is the fact that from the point when North America became "industrialized" every one wanted to adopt to US standards/terms/etc.,

IMHO I think its more to do with media than anything else. The majority of big films are Hollywood, US TV is the same. Because the US companies can spend far more money on such projects they have far more coverage than any other nations media. Of course right now we're using the one media that is doing more to promote English as the predominant international language, the internet. France is trying to preserve its language as much as Quebec, and has a raft of laws in place to restrict the use of English words. But really they should look to Holland, and other scandinavian countries. They've embraced English, and most Dutch speak it, usually better than most people from Britain, but they're own language is still as strong as ever. The thing with English is that it is a mish-mash of other languages anyway, there are plenty of French words in everyday use in English speaking countries.

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Heck even THE UK has switched to the Metric system?!? in the 1800's!!

<pedant> We didn't make the switch until the early seventies, and even then its on really been forced into wholesale practice this century. That said, I still buy my beer by the pint, and screws and nails by the inch. Plywood is sold as 8'x4', but most confusing is timber. I'll buy "Two and a half metres of four by two" ;)[/QUOTE]

Well in fact that would actually be two and a half meter of 50mmx100mm studs..LOL -Yeah that'b be weird
Saivert 5th April 2009, 21:29 Quote
Most games you don't really need to know the langauge of the game to play it. I don't get that argument.
I can perfectly fine play Half-Life 2 with Japanese (hint: I don't know Japanese).

And I'm from Norway and I embraced the English language only because it was already the international language. I don't feel I have to know a lot of other languages even though it would be cool. Most people here understand the language even if they don't speak it very well. That comes with practice and prolonged usage and is something they can work on.
And yes I feel I understand even the most complicated English sentences and I watch all movies and TV without subtitles in Norwegian. I want to be better at English all the time so subtitles is a big no no. If there is a word I don't understand I pause the movie and look it up. Which I happen to do very rarely these days. I'm now 25 years old and I started learning English when I was 10.

English is not bad. Just embrace it and keep using your own native language as well. Don't enforce laws or be language police. It's just counter-productive.
Omnituens 5th April 2009, 23:25 Quote
I think Futurama got it right.
Jipa 6th April 2009, 02:28 Quote
That's so utter ****ing bullshit it's not even funny. If you really can't live without French language then FFS move to France! Who wants to play games in a dubbed language? Who can't understand English enough to play a game? French, apparently. Just so stupid, it's not gonna solve anything and it's just gonna ban the citizens from some game titles. Where's the point.
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But again I can't stop thinking about the fact that don't seem to realize that ALL FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS IN CANADA MUST BE IN BOTH FRENCH AND ENGLISH, whether you are in Quebec or Saskatoon, those are the 2 official languages of CANADA!! So we are not the only one trying to uphold French here...

And that sucks just as much. In Finland we have minority of Swedes and thus EVERYONE is teached Swedish in schools. All federal stuff must also be available in Swedish etc. And all the hassle just because there's a bunch of people living in Finland who refuse to use the Finnish language. Anyway there's also an area in Finland called Ahvenanmaa (like Quebec, main language is Swedish instead of Finnish) and people there don't speak Finnish! I mean what the hell, all of Finland has to speak Swedish, and then these turds can't speak Finnish? That's just so wrong.

Enough of rant, just my 2 cents and some.
knuck 6th April 2009, 03:06 Quote
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That's so utter ****ing bullshit it's not even funny. If you really can't live without French language then FFS move to France! Who wants to play games in a dubbed language? Who can't understand English enough to play a game? French, apparently. Just so stupid, it's not gonna solve anything and it's just gonna ban the citizens from some game titles. Where's the point.



And that sucks just as much. In Finland we have minority of Swedes and thus EVERYONE is teached Swedish in schools. All federal stuff must also be available in Swedish etc. And all the hassle just because there's a bunch of people living in Finland who refuse to use the Finnish language. Anyway there's also an area in Finland called Ahvenanmaa (like Quebec, main language is Swedish instead of Finnish) and people there don't speak Finnish! I mean what the hell, all of Finland has to speak Swedish, and then these turds can't speak Finnish? That's just so wrong.

Enough of rant, just my 2 cents and some.


*sigh* ...

get a fcking clue already, jeez
dec 6th April 2009, 11:31 Quote
I thought all the big name companies (EA, Nintendo, etc) make multilanguage games to begin with. I dont think this law will do much as people can just go to ontario or new brunswick or any other province to get games. Its not like japan is saying "all games must be released in french only". Quebec doesnt have the huge gaming market so not too many people should be affected.
Jipa 6th April 2009, 12:41 Quote
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*sigh* ...

get a fcking clue already, jeez

Padan-psssssh, top class. Hey lets everyone just keep our wrong opinions to our selves.
CardJoe 6th April 2009, 13:03 Quote
This article has been updated to clarify a few points.
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