Irish ISPs to block music-sharing websites

The Pirate Bay is apparently the first site on IRMA's hit list of sites to be blocked by Irish ISPs.

Undeterred by the recent theatrics surrounding the Pirate Bay trial in Sweden, which is looking increasingly like it’s going to rule in favour of the torrent-listing site, the Irish Recorded Music Association (IRMA) is now threatening ISPs with legal action if they don’t block access to sites such as this.

According to Ireland’s Sunday Business Post, IRMA has already reached an agreement with Eire’s largest ISP, Eircom, under which the ISP will block websites that allow free access to copyright music files. IRMA has also instructed other ISPs in the country to follow suit or face legal action. The site also points out that if IRMA is successful in this initiative, then it would be the ‘first European country to completely block access to hundreds of file-sharing websites.’

According to the site, IRMA is currently compiling a list of offending websites that will face the block, the first of which will be the infamous Pirate Bay. The site says that once an offending site has been identified, IRMA will then apply for a court order that requires the country’s ISPs to block access to it.

Defending its position on piracy, IRMA says that ‘music Piracy is a 5 billion dollar worldwide problem. It rears its ugly head everywhere, often completely ruining the livelihoods of performers and people working in the music industry. Ireland, with its rich musical tradition, is also a lucrative market for piracy, with music industry losses running to €3.8 million annually, this figure increases to €63.5 million when pirated software and videos are included.’ IRMA is a non-profit organisation created by record companies and other companies associated with the music industry in Ireland, and it has the goal of 'protecting the welfare and interests' of its members.

In January, IRMA also initiated a scheme to ban pirates by identifying the IP addresses of people downloading copyright works via P2P networks, and then passing the information onto Eircom. The ISP would then send a letter out to the offending broadband subscriber telling them to stop or face disconnection, and then disconnect them in the case of noncompliance.

Is blocking websites the right way to go about stopping piracy, and would it actually help the record industry sell more music? Let us know your thoughts in the forums.
Quote Gremlin 23rd February 2009, 11:12
call it the conspiracy theorist in me but isnt it funny this happens after U2's new album leaks
Quote logan'srun 23rd February 2009, 11:40
the music biz is dead and dying. Blaming Piracy is only a part of the problem. the bigger problem lies in flagging sales due to the overabundance of music available and the simple fact that people don't want to pay 179SEK (15 euro) for an album any more, regardless of the band.
With the advent of all the music sites like Spotify Last.fm, Pandora and so on, music sales is only going to decline further as ppl see no need to purchase an album when they can listen to it free and legal as well.

Blocking ISP's is too big brother for me. And making TPB the target is just pointing fingers. Google accomplishes the same thing as TPB, just add +torrent to any search and there you are. I'd like to see the Irish ban Google. . .
Quote tank_rider 23rd February 2009, 13:20
Another silly case. Make music cheap enough that doesn't have copyright protection on it and no-one will bother pirating. The cost of legally distributing music online is so cheap that it definitely is the future, but it needs to be available is lossless format, without restriction and cost about £5 an album and sales figures would balloon. Look at the figures valve just published about steam, reduced prices and easy to use/no copy protection leads to massively increased post sale revenue.
Quote B1GBUD 23rd February 2009, 13:29
Surely these measures can be bypassed by using proxies?
Quote Woodspoon 23rd February 2009, 13:43
Sounds legally questionable to me, having access to a site blocked because it allows access to copyrighted material, youre not breaking any laws if youre just viewing the site and not downloading anything, then there's the non copyrighted material that's also available throught the site thats being blocked.
All sounds a bit dodgy
Quote shigllgetcha 23rd February 2009, 13:56
thats what i was going to ask, would a proxie be able to by pass this?

i really really dont think this will happen.

let artists make money from actually preforming not spending a day in a recording studio a year. go out a play live for a living ffs
Quote shigllgetcha 23rd February 2009, 14:09
eircom are losing enough customers as it is without bringing this in
Quote perplekks45 23rd February 2009, 14:45
Artist don't make the majority of their money from record sales anyways. Concerts, that's where the big money for them is. Heck, RHCP got 1 million Euro for their 2 concerts at Rock am Ring and Rock im Park 2006 or 2007. 2 performances in 2 days, 1 million... that's money, not 5-10p per CD.
Quote DXR_13KE 23rd February 2009, 14:54
they are going to loose so many clients that it will make their ass hurt... that and the fact that this can be bypassed by proxies...
Quote kingred 23rd February 2009, 15:16
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Quote Atomic 23rd February 2009, 15:18
Give me a fast legal site where I can download an album for less than a fiver as mp3's with no DRM and I would buy alot more albums.
Quote steveo_mcg 23rd February 2009, 15:35
Have you looked at Amazons mp3 site its not bad and for some albums quite cheap.
Quote Awoken 23rd February 2009, 17:43
Albums can be bought for next to nothing second hand on amazon ~£3-4. I buy a lot of music at this price, I also research my purchases before spending my hard earned cash. From my point of view, file sharing is an excellent 'try-before-you-buy' and dictates what I will and won't pay money for. Youtube is also invaluable.
I can't be the only person who thinks that the music industry is out to remove our ability to sift the rubbish by removing our ability to try first. A business model which focuses on trying to take information away from the consumer is always going to face an uphill struggle. Why not adapt and survive rather than go to war with your consumers?
Quote iwog 23rd February 2009, 18:16
Because that would be sensible, and less profitable in their eyes. From their perspective they have a monopoly and therefore "should" be able to dictate the price and we "should" have to pay it. Unfortunately piracy has always had a market share, its just that in recent times the internet has made this share bigger and old companies are unwilling to accept this.
Quote StephenK 23rd February 2009, 19:25
SO we'll be seeing more irish newsgroupers then...
Quote Nicb 23rd February 2009, 20:25
I love Irish bands. I live in Austin TX "Music Capital of The World". (No flaming,... Just what its called) I could go downtown right now midday listen to a group or musician, we even have bands that play live in our grocery stores "Whole Foods". I could pick up 20 free sample albums in no time and if I wanted to buy someones album it would probably be around $5. Most of the music is pure talent, and in my opinion better than mainstream with a hook. The bands make most of their money playing gigs and have large followings that buy their cheap albums. I've played in bars and coffee shops (For fun) have a website to download for free. A few of my family have their bands and are more serious, and make their money from gigs and 99c downloads as well as freebies.
I believe this is happing everywhere. The whole system of an agent, MTV marketing videos, record Label, expensive recording studios is being booted out the door here. You can go to a recording studio here and rent out a studio for $40 or less an hour and produce some Pro quality stuff.
The industry is changing and the rich cannot keep a hold on it. Its a freedom that needs to be embraced.

Take Radiohead for example: Their last album was a great marketing strategy they let people download their last album for free and asked for donations. Last time I read up on it they said they made just as much money as previous albums in the past. And eliminated the worry of piracy.
Quote Dreaming 23rd February 2009, 23:30
Ireland = China
Quote mr00Awesome 23rd February 2009, 23:43
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicb
I live in Austin TX "Music Capital of The World.

I Thought it was the "Live" Music Capitol Of the World.
Quote Nicb 24th February 2009, 01:18
mr00Awesome you absolutely right. "Live". If I'm going to say it, I need to say it right!
Quote LordPyrinc 24th February 2009, 02:14
Using an ISP to block a site is just ridiculous logic. What affect would that have? A few drops in the ocean of piracy. How hard would it be for a site to set up another mirror site not currently being blocked? Seems like this method of blocking is a losing battle.
Quote MajestiX 24th February 2009, 03:08
china doesnt ban p2p just political stuff that isnt same comparison

will the list be freely available to see?
performers actually are the last people to see money
and majority of their revenue is from performances
music sales are for management and producers etc...
you can see why they want to protect their interest

the music of today is total fail anyways music arent even produce or written by the artist majority of the time
we are also bombarded with so many different music that it is not feasible to buy everything we like and the next best song would come around in a few weeks. Pretty poor investing in music that isnt versatile.

Australia is going into a filtering problem too at ISP level.
Quote Dreaming 24th February 2009, 10:00
It's still censorship of one form another and I don't think it should be there, I think information should be freely posted to the internet and anyone else on the internet should be free to access that information.
Quote Zurechial 24th February 2009, 18:21
I'm anti-piracy, but this is a bit ****.
Eircom monopolise the broadband market over here, so even if the other ISPs don't start taking it up the arse from the record labels we still don't have much choice.
We can speak with our money and cancel our Eircom subscriptions, but there aren't many others to go to over here.
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