MS: "Sony is out of touch"
Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg has recently accused Sony of being out of touch with the modern markets.
Sony spokesperson Kaz Hirai yesterday proclaimed that Sony's PlayStation 3 made it the clear, official industry leader in console development - despite the fact that Nintendo is leading in sales figures. Nintendo doesn't count, argued Hirai, who said that the Wii could only play games, while the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 could do so much more. Sony made the claim despite the fact that even using that definition the Xbox 360 has still outsold the PlayStation 3.
Today Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg hit back at Sony, saying that these sounded like comments coming from an old hardware company that has grown comfortable and complacent with its position in the market.
"That complacent attitude is out of touch with where the industry and consumer is today," said Greenberg in an interview with The Bitbag.
"This generation won't be won over just hardware specs, but who can out-innovate when it comes to online and software. This is the kind of stuff that's in our DNA, and frankly moves the console war onto our home court," he continued.
"I'm confident we will outsell the PS3 throughout the entire generation by providing more innovation and building the best and broadest games library while growing our entertainment experiences on the leading online network," he stated.
"With a US install base lead now of more than seven million units (according to NPD), I can't imagine any scenario where the PS3 can catch up with us."
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sony needs to remove the PS2 for store shelves if it wants users to get a PS3, as with each month that goes by, sony continue to sell around about the same amount of PS2 and it does with the PS3.
now, other that making a nice profit off the PS2, it can't be good for the PS3
Major Generation Battles (Release date:System:Sales)
1994-1996 Nintendo 64 (33million units) v Playstation (102million units) v Microsoft N/A (0)
2000-2001 Nintendo Gamecube (22million units) v PS2 (140million units) v Microsoft Xbox (24million units)
2005-2006 Nintendo Wii (35million units) v PS3 (17million units) v Microsoft 360 (28million units)
Most units that released later into the market had lowers sales. The Wii was the first to break that pattern. Overall in the total (all console sales) video game industry, Sony (1) Nintendo (2) Sega (3) Microsoft (4)
If the PS3 would of had the right price, simple coding and title support like during the PS2 era; The PS3 would be top dog in the console market. NO I don't own a PS3 and what I said is the reason why.
sony are getting trounced in the games charts week after week.
the statements yesterday were completely ludicrious.
the 360 is stay way outselling the ps3. it really needs a price cut, quickly
Your console sales for this generations is off.
Wii: 46 million
360: 27.8 million
PS3: 19.8 million
Still Sony said market leader versus generation leader which might be true considering PS1 + PS2 + Ps3 + PSP sales
Sony might of lost this battle same as Microsoft but they're still winning the console war.
Like Scarrmrcc said Sony is selling Ferraris in a Vette market.
The 360 is, however, a console for the masses. At such low prices they will be selling much better for people who just want a new console, and aren't bothered about fancyness. Couple that with people wanting to spend less money in an economic downturn, and you're looking at even more of a difference in sales between 360 and PS3 imo.
Being less objective, I'd rather have a PS3. I loved my PS2 and PSX, I want to complete the collection and see if the PS3 is even close to basking in their majesty.
My Playstation (Original release in 94) still works. I blew up my first PS2 (1st Gen) in a month so I had to return it for another. I'm now on my 3rd 360 in 2 years: Original Premium, Arcade & Arcade(Falcon mobo).
having said that i can see why MS are market leaders right now, primarily its down to price point. also sony should have been much more protective over its exclusives.
Wii doesn't cater to my tastes, and PS3 is too expensive, I don't want to have to pay for Bluray, and there are very few games on it that I can't get a similar or superior experience on the 360.
Now, don't get me wrong, the PS3 is an awesome piece of kit, but Sony are useless and made so many mistakes in it's marketing that they all built up and caused the situation they are in now. I remember Kaz (or someone else) saying that the PS3 would sell very well with no games. What an ass. And it looks like he was rather wrong as well. With a fair chunk of decent games, it still is in last place.
Sony just need to rethink their strategies is my personal opinion. MS need to produce something not rushed and of a high quality, and Ninty are just lost in my eyes :p
Sony's marketing needs to raise questions to consumers that make them ask themselves: Do I care about true Hi-Definition movies? Will I need a wireless internet connection? Do I want to be able to upgrade my HDD affordably to a higher capacity to store all of my music, photos, movies, downloadable games, partial game installs, or maybe my entire games library (this is home media entertainment device, correct? I guess you could try streaming, but things take too long to load when file sizes/quantity of files gets into the 1000's)? Do I want free online multiplayer that is stable (and offers the most # of online players), but doesn't allow me to talk to my friends outside of games, or do I want to pay yearly for the one that does offer everything the other service does including the feature the other one didn't? If I want online do I care about what my friends/aquaintances are playing? If so, which console do most of them own, or use the most? Do I want rechargeable out of the box controllers? Do I want headphones out of the box? Do I care more for 360's exclusives or PS3's exclusives?
These are the questions that Sony's marketing department needs to answer (through marketing) for potential (average) customers or else they will continue to lose sales to 360 b/c they shouldn't be expected to ask these questions themselves.
Man I typed too much.
Nahh, if you factor PSP and all the older consoles in then by rite you have to factor gameboy in and im sure the following maths works out true
PS1 + PS2 + PS3 + PSP < NES + SNES + N64 + GC + Wii + GB + GBP + GBC + GBA + DS + them awesome watch things they used to make :)
They probably lose out on that one so much that, im not even going to bother with the maths.
It strikes me that Sony have this BMW like status in the consumer electronics market by just verbally convincing people they are in that position, its genious.
I also like how Nintendo dont get involved and even more how Sony said Wii sales dont count because its different.
Only a few things.
The HDD size for the 360 is limited to Microsoft HDDs. The PS3 can use non-Sony HDDs for a lower cost with greater space.
The Dual Shock controller does come with a built in rechargable battery. The 360 requires you to buy those in kits.
This really is just the console version of the Mac vs PC pissing contest. I personally think the Macs I've used run like **** compared to my custom built PC with similar configs.
Personally, I don't care how much more expensive my 360 ends up being; it cost less to buy initially and has a superior online component that is well worth the cost of a game.
You have a debug PS3? As in one that can play dev code? If so...PM me.
I hate to keep beating a dead horse, but please explain to me how XBL is "superior" (meaning worth the extra $50 a year) to PSN? The only thing that I can think of off of the top of my head (and I use both services btw) is the ability to talk to friends outside of the game (up to 8 people). Does this truly make it that much better? Also, the PSN isn't a P2P based network (XBL is) currently allowing it to support up to 60 players (Resistance 2) and up to 256 players (once MAG debuts sometime this year). From what I have researched, the maximum players XBL supports currently is 18 (COD4&5).
IMO, both services are great. PSN is free and offers more players to be online at once. Live is a cost, but it allows up to 24 players (COD4&5) and the social experience is more seamless (though not by much).
But that aside, remember that most people are idiots and ignorants, they want "this funny gaming thingy", go to their nearest shop, see the funny and "nice" looking Wii aside "uber powerful", "serious" and "impressive" 360 and PS3 and choose... guess what. Most people just want exactly this - a "nice gaming thingy" to play with their friends. Just look at the street - majority of cars are cheap, mainstream crap. Look at the PCs - 95% of world's sales are cheap, generic "everyday usage" or office machines. Look at your friends - most of them are complete or nearly complete ignorants when it comes to something more than "cheapest pub in town". That's how it was, is and will always be.
And that is why Nokia makes 80% of their profit from their cheapest, most mainstream phones, the cheapest and "nicest" console will always win, mp3 is "suitable for most listeners" and why people say "I tried this Linux thing but there was some problem with my wifi card so I just use Vista". Sony underestimated the power of dark, underachieving, ignorant masses and made something for more serious players - forgetting that serious players are just a small percentage of all gamers.
I agree pretty much with you but this is rubbish, how the risk with a Samsung (etc) hard disk any greater than with a MS branded one, the HD in your pc goes you better hope you have a good back up routine same goes for you console and your server etc.
Yes. PS3 has weird but powerful hardware. And most games to this day fails to take full advantage of this. The SPEs can also be used to help with the graphics, not just physics stuff.
But with multi-platform releases and generic game engines this will not happen.
And I adore Sony for making such a beast of a console. The Blu-ray addition was great. the PS3 really is an entertainment machine, not just a console. Too bad this only appeals to the techno-lust in us and hardcore gamers. The PS3 was not such a hit because of the steep price, but a lot of people are grateful Sony made this machine (it didn't have ZERO sales).
If Sony had made a console that appealed to the masses (read: cheap) it would have been mediocre.
I myself don't care about consoles at all. I'm an oddball. I'm a PC gamer. That means I spend even more money than what a PS3 costs in order to play games and have my fun.
So if you're going to talk about stuff that doesn't count (like Wii), I'm a great example.
done!!
Now honestly looking at PS3 games what would you buy? I cant think of one game I'd want on a PS3 if I had one. There the issues sony has imo.
(Im an Xbox 360 owner btw but havent turned it on since last April when I played GTA3)
and look at the fact that its harder to program for and arguably will look better if you do it right, but what 3rd party developer is going to bother putting so much extra time into a console that is losing ever single week on the games charts(every multiformat game sells less on PS3 than 360 im sure there are a few exclusives that have out sold 360 games at the time im just using multi as an example)
point out the rrod all you want but it shows a faulty console is still out selling the ps3 and by a wide margin
all 3 consoles ar ecurrently collecting dust
if the game is out on pc ill buy it for pc before any other console.
i use my ps3 as a media center for playing hd content. Havent turned on my 360 since gear of war 2 ( which was crap)
Nintendo decided to compete with good ideas - and a workable implementation of gesture-based control which had been tried before (by Nintendo, no less) but never really worked as well as it does on the Wii.
Sony tried to be flash, Nintendo tried to be clever. Advantage Mario.
I'm not a console guy either way, I have no axe to grind, but the Wii strikes me as a smart move and PS3 strikes me as wa-aayy too expensive. You need to be a console afficionado, which isn't a market anything like the size of the Wii. Ten years? I dunno. How long have they been selling Monopoly?
Ye like I said I havent seen one PS3 game that I want to play. Pretty flawed though using an argument for a PS3 from a PS3 site though aint it?
But it does have a YLOD.
At least you can usually fix an RROD.