Who knew that the iPod could be so dangerous? Up to five million EU citizens could be at risk of hearing damage from heavy use of MP3 players.

Who knew that the iPod could be so dangerous? Up to five million EU citizens could be at risk of hearing damage from heavy use of MP3 players.

If you spend five hours or more a week listening to your MP3 player, you can expect to be asking people to speak up in the very near future according to a new study.

The New York Times reports that a study from the Scientific Committee on Emerging and Newly Identified Health Risks has identified that individuals who listen to personal music devices via headphones at a high volume for just five hours a week are exposing themselves to greater levels of noise than is permitted in a building site or factory floor. The study even states that the maximum volume setting can produce the same noise levels as an aeroplane taking off.

According to the report, “regularly listening to personal music players at high-volume settings when young often has no immediate effect on hearing but is likely to result in hearing loss later in life.

With the rising popularity of MP3 playback devices – be they iPods, mobile phones, or even hand-held games consoles – more people than ever are listening to music while on the go. The report estimates that around 10-20 percent of the European Union listen to such devices daily – and as many as ten percent of those at a level which could well put them at risk within five years.

In order to tackle what many officials are seeing as a future epidemic of deafness – with as many as five million people likely to suffer hearing damage as a result of listening to personal music devices at an unsafe volume within the next five years – the European consumer affairs commissioner Meglena Kuneva is to announce a proposal for a conference in Brussels to evaluate the results of the study and to investigate whether enforced limitations are required. A major topic of discussion is likely to be a 2004 study which recommended listening to personal music devices for no more than one cumulative hour per day and at a volume of no more than 60 percent of the device's maximum – less, if you're using in-ear 'bud' style headphones.

Do you believe that modern personal audio devices have a too-high maximum volume, or should the EU keep their noses out of your thrash metal collection? Share your thoughts over in the forums.
Quote Shadowed_fury 14th October 2008, 13:47
Oops
Quote teamtd11 14th October 2008, 14:03
i use my mp3 player for about 20 hours a week, and have done for the past 5 years. always at around 80-100%
Quote iwog 14th October 2008, 14:20
Meh I'm safe, I've always had the view if I can hear it when the earphones are round my neck then its too loud and if I can hear it when its in someone else's ears its far too loud. So as a rule I try not to use my Creative Stone above 18 (out of 25) for more then the 10min the hovercraft takes to cross the Solent.

But it always amazes me how stupid people can be, I mean if I can hear your music on a train when I have my own headphones in surely its doing something bad to your hearing.
Quote proxess 14th October 2008, 14:35
I bought those earphones which stick into your earlobe so i wouldn't have the volume so high. what annoys me most while hearing music are exterior sounds.
Quote Whalemeister 14th October 2008, 14:37
How is this news, Sony brought out the walkman in like 1979 or 1980, people have been listening to music through headphones for almost 30 years!

If you can't figure out for yourself that listening to loud music all the time will damage your hearing then you deserve to go deaf.

That said I do have tinitus...
Quote mrb_no1 14th October 2008, 14:40
i am with iwog in the sense that i dont understand why people like teamtd11 listen to it soo loudly, it serves no purpose on headphones, its not like a sound system at home where the extra base and power of the music can be felt. I use my iphone twice a day for running and cycling for a total of 2 hrs a day, but have some sennheisers that sit right in the ear, so volume is around 20% most of the time as it need not be any louder as the earphones themselves cancel most environmental noise anyway.

Its an obvious risk that individuals shouldnt need pointing out to them, keep killing those hairs in your ears that will never grow back you silly people
Quote Arkanrais 14th October 2008, 15:02
ah, I should be fine. I only listen to my stereos at floor/couch vibrating level for hours on end (makes cans of coke go flat if I leave them in my room, even if they aren't opened)
Quote Firehed 14th October 2008, 15:35
Somebody go call the waaaahmbulance, people who blast music directly into their ear canals at crazy volumes will suffer hearing damage!

I wonder how this crap gets recycled every few months. It's common sense ffs.
Quote Project_Nightmare 14th October 2008, 15:42
This is one of the things everyone already knows and therefore should be ignored. If you are stupid enought to give yourself hearing loss, well boo hoo that's your problem now.
Quote quack 14th October 2008, 17:19
Pardon? Speak up, I can't hear you.
Quote ComputerKing 14th October 2008, 18:12
DAM!!!!!!!! I will get rid of my headphones and get desktop speakers :( listening at 80 - 100 % with my Sony headphones and creative sound card from 2004 ... ( Changed the headphone 3 times with the same model :) )

I know that I feel my ears heavy and kinda blocked. but I can hear good maybe you can say I hear with more bass :(

I knew it can effect. but I can't stop listening to music. I'm using my headphones now at 40 - 60 % :) But I will get desktop speakers better.
Quote pendragon 14th October 2008, 18:17
'enforced limits' huh? .. sounds like a load of rubbish to me
Quote LeMaltor 14th October 2008, 18:41
You only live once, I'm not going to turn down my music in the hopes that if I live long enough it won't make me deaf.
Quote ComputerKing 14th October 2008, 18:44
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Originally Posted by LeMaltor
You only live once, I'm not going to turn down my music in the hopes that if I live long enough it won't make me deaf.

lol.. GOOD Point of view really. I Kinda live like that.
Quote teamtd11 14th October 2008, 18:47
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Originally Posted by pendragon
'enforced limits' huh? .. sounds like a load of rubbish to me

I know a lot of newer mp3 players are a lot quieter than my 5 year old creative. I always try to limit my volume but at first 50% is loud but after 3 hours i end up at around 90% even though i know i should not :(
Quote LeMaltor 14th October 2008, 19:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by ComputerKing
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeMaltor
You only live once, I'm not going to turn down my music in the hopes that if I live long enough it won't make me deaf.

lol.. GOOD Point of view really. I Kinda live like that.

It won't be good if I do go deaf though, silly me :(
Quote E.E.L. Ambiense 14th October 2008, 19:46
Pretty much sums it up. If you're pumping your tunes to those levels, you deserve to lose your hearing.
Quote MajestiX 14th October 2008, 21:09
problem is my mp3 have different levels, one might be soft while the other bangs it out.

it's like commercials on television they are significantly louder than the actual shows. i don't want to go for the volume knob in both situation.

that being said my hearing is perfectly fine, but i have developed over the years to block out voices, especially naggy people. In this case no matter how close/loud their speaking i will always need to ask them to repeat it. Since i fell that if it's really important they will get my full attention first instead of telling me something and walking off. Sadly this applies to my employer as well and does not work out so well sometimes.
Quote wharrad 14th October 2008, 21:46
I may be wrong here but my iPod (yes, I rock a 3G original on it's 3rd battery) had the sound limited by this very thing already. I seem to remember back in 2002 ish you could get something called 'euroPod' to bring the volume back up to standard levels?!?

Also, as stated above, my walkman had what was known as AVLS back in the last century.


It's almost like putting 'hot' on a coffee mug - if you didn't know that, you're not old enough to have the caffeine in the first place :)
Quote dr-strangelove 14th October 2008, 21:48
I listened to my cd walkman and then my mp3 player with the volumes at reasonable levels for years, it wasn't untill I started going to gigs and having band practice with the amps at 11 that I started having to turn up the volume on my devices!
Quote yodasarmpit 14th October 2008, 21:54
Welcome to 1980.

I remember the same warnings about Walkman's.
Quote Jordan Wise 14th October 2008, 22:01
tbh, i doubt the damage is that great when compared with say going to gigs or just practising in a band. Drums are bloody loud, as are marshall stacks
Quote Tris 14th October 2008, 22:09
in other news, stabbing yourself in the eye may cause blindness.
Quote cpemma 14th October 2008, 22:21
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Originally Posted by Firehed
I wonder how this crap gets recycled every few months. It's common sense ffs.
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/03/29/apple_ipod_volume_limit/1

And of course it "gets recycled every few months" because "there's one born every minute".

It's tobacco all over again.
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Such fears have already prompted litigation. In 2006 a man in Louisiana filed a lawsuit against Apple, claiming the company had failed to take adequate steps to prevent hearing loss among iPod users.

The suit, filed in Federal District Court in San Jose, Calif., claims that the iPod can produce sounds as loud as 115 decibels, when 89 decibels is considered that maximum for safe listening. Apple warns its customers about the danger of hearing loss in its iPod manual.
Quote rizla677 14th October 2008, 22:53
Don't think much can be done. if they impose a limit,(on sound levels that is) it will reduce the volume of high impedence headphones to unacceptly low volumes. i'm guessing they impose a limit based entirely on the crappy ear buds they bundle every ipod with.
it always annoyes me to see so many people using them, they are truly awful on quality, but don't need as much juice to be loud. many good headphones on the other hand require quite a lot more voltage.
Quote Stuey 14th October 2008, 23:36
What's that? Did you say something?
Quote LordPyrinc 15th October 2008, 01:09
As a matter of principle, I won't use ear buds. I don't like the thought of the speaker that much closer to my ear drums. I bought an IPod Classic about two weeks ago, but I use regular headphones with it that have a volume control right on the cord. If the MP3 starts out louder than normal, I just move the volume control on the wire down a little. Much faster than having to unlock the IPod and roll across the circle to move the volume down. Additionally, I almost never run the volume control on the headphones more than 50% and typically only run the IPod volume around 80%. So typically, I'm listening at 40% volume between the two controls.
Quote Spaceraver 15th October 2008, 03:57
Speak louder plz. And that isn't because I listen to a Mp3 player all day. More because i stand up front at Full Moon festival. Loudest db recorded was 125 i think.
When you can't feel your own pulse because you are standing next to a subwoofer twice the size of yourself, that's loud. But you are still able to communicate without shouting because of the low frequency.
And I enjoy every second of it.
Quote Whalemeister 15th October 2008, 13:32
If you really want to hurt your ears invest £220 on a decent set of Shure ear canal headphones, they're great at blocking out external sounds especially at low volumes and deliver excellent sound quality.

Be warned though that ear cannal headphones used with high volumes will ruin your hearing faster than a rusty flat-head screwdriver to the ear
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