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Windows 7 a "minor release"

Windows 7 a "minor release"

Contrary to previous rumours, the Windows 7 Server release due in 2010 will be a 'minor' update to Server 2008.

If you've been looking forward to the up-and-coming release of Windows 7 – and have been viewing Vista as the Windows ME of its generation – you might want to reign in your enthusiasm a little: Microsoft doesn't see it as a major release.

According to CNet, the software giant is talking down just how important a release Windows 7 will be – on the server side, at least. Rather than getting its own version number, the server edition of Windows 7 – due for release some time in 2010 – will be known as “Windows Server 2008 R2.” Hardly a ground-breaking release if you go by the name.

Indeed, the 'update releases' usually given an 'R' suffix are described by Microsoft as integrating “the previous major release with the latest service pack, selected feature packs, and new functionality. Because an update release is based on the previous major release, customers can incorporate it into their environment without any additional testing beyond what would be required for a typical service pack.

The differences between the Windows Server 2003 and Windows Server 2003 R2 were, as described above by Microsoft, minor improvements and additional functionality. The change was so minor, in fact, that R2 was distributed on two CDs – the first was a copy of Windows Server 2003, and the second was the patches and upgrades to turn it into Windows Server 2003 R2. If, as the name suggests, Windows Server 2008 R2 is going to be that little of an upgrade it does call into question all we've heard about the future Windows 7 release on both the desktop and the server.

Clarification on exactly what Windows 7 is going to be, and where it sits in terms of releases, is due at Microsoft's Professional Developers Conference in October. It looks as though we might have to wait until then to get a better idea of what is going on with Windows 7, and whether it really will spell the end for Vista.

Have you been looking forward to the release of Windows 7 and are now thrown into confusion as to whether it will really offer any improvements over Vista, or do you believe that the server and desktop versions will be sufficiently different to render this a non-issue? Share your thoughts over in the forums.

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liratheal 19th August 2008, 10:12 Quote
Windows 7 has managed over the months to confuse the ever loving crap out of me.

I think I'll be waiting for launch before I make up my mind about it..
wuyanxu 19th August 2008, 10:18 Quote
i knew it, Vista is a great OS, MS has already worked out most of the kinks. so 7 will be an feature enhanced version of Vista.

just like 2000 was a huge step forward from NT and XP is like a feature enhanced version of 2000.

people never stop to hope, and they are always disappointed. just use the latest version and be happy with it!
Breach 19th August 2008, 10:36 Quote
Ugh, MS cleary does not care about their star product anymore.
steveo_mcg 19th August 2008, 10:37 Quote
Course they do, thats why they're trying to convince people to upgrade now and now wait for their next beta release
no-spam 19th August 2008, 10:41 Quote
At my work MS are so desperate to get users locked in to Windows they have offered Office 2007 for £17.
But OpenOffice is free and runs on Windows and Linux, so why bother?
LeMaltor 19th August 2008, 11:05 Quote
I can wait for 8.
-pattoe- 19th August 2008, 11:32 Quote
I'd be very interested to see what happens in October. Vista is good, lots of improvements have been released since its birth. I still favor XP / 2000 on a commercial level however due to the lower requirements and the reliability.
MgM* 19th August 2008, 11:41 Quote
All MS needs to do now is to fix those compatibility issues with vista (hope fully 7) then wer' talking...
BentAnat 19th August 2008, 12:13 Quote
please not that MS ALSO said that Windows 7 for desktops IS a major release - it's the server side that's not one:
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The server move calls into question just how different Windows 7 is going to be from Windows Vista on the desktop side. Steven Sinofsky, the head of development for the desktop version of Windows, has said that Windows 7 on the PC side would not make major changes to things like the kernel and driver model, but has maintained that it would be a major release of Windows.
from news.cnet
Romirez 19th August 2008, 12:14 Quote
Unless 7 is considerably less of a resource hog than Vista, I'll be sticking with XP. So I guess I won't be upgrading for a long time.
adamc 19th August 2008, 12:22 Quote
i don't know what everyone's problem with vista is, I've been running vista x64 for almost a year and it has performed flawlessly.
wuyanxu 19th August 2008, 12:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by Romirez
Unless 7 is considerably less of a resource hog than Vista, I'll be sticking with XP. So I guess I won't be upgrading for a long time.
im sorry. you'd better go back to winDOS since XP is also too resource hog for that matter.

7 will be same or more resource "hog".
BentAnat 19th August 2008, 12:37 Quote
Windows 7 will be a Vista with some bugfixes, and user experience facelifts... sortof like 98 was when compared to 95.
basically, a smoother, better vista (not that i mind vista. Have been running it since it came out)... at least that's my suspicion
DXR_13KE 19th August 2008, 12:38 Quote
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Originally Posted by adamc
i don't know what everyone's problem with vista is, I've been running vista x64 for almost a year and it has performed flawlessly.

+1
p3n 19th August 2008, 12:46 Quote
Think i'll continue my plan to get a cent2 mbp and join the unix goodness that is OSX ... I can put Vista on bootcamp for remembering how crappy MS are at innovation.
Xir 19th August 2008, 13:13 Quote
"sortof like 98 was when compared to 95."

Hmmm 98SE ran pretty stable....certainly compared to 95...
(and also faster/more stable than XP before SP1)
Timmy_the_tortoise 19th August 2008, 13:28 Quote
I'm happy with Vista.
Romirez 19th August 2008, 13:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
im sorry. you'd better go back to winDOS since XP is also too resource hog for that matter.

7 will be same or more resource "hog".

DOS, however, doesnt run what I want to use, XP does. See my point? No point upgrading to something that uses more of my system for no gain to me.
amacieli 19th August 2008, 13:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
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Originally Posted by adamc
i don't know what everyone's problem with vista is, I've been running vista x64 for almost a year and it has performed flawlessly.

+1

+1
M4RTIN 19th August 2008, 14:56 Quote
time to upgrade from me maybe, i love that os lol
<A88> 19th August 2008, 15:17 Quote
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Originally Posted by wuyanxu
i knew it, Vista is a great OS, MS has already worked out most of the kinks. so 7 will be an feature enhanced version of Vista.

just like 2000 was a huge step forward from NT and XP is like a feature enhanced version of 2000.

people never stop to hope, and they are always disappointed. just use the latest version and be happy with it!

That's the point, people go on about how Windows needs a fresh start etc- Vista is the 'fresh start' in which they fixed security etc, which is why people have had all these problems with compatibility. Windows 7 will probably just build on that, add some nice cloud and touch features, and generally give people a decent enough incentive to upgrade.
Redbeaver 19th August 2008, 15:59 Quote
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Originally Posted by amacieli
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
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Originally Posted by adamc
i don't know what everyone's problem with vista is, I've been running vista x64 for almost a year and it has performed flawlessly.

+1

+1

no OS works flawlessly for me :p

but Vista works better than XP for me....

so +1
Ninja_182 19th August 2008, 16:36 Quote
Blatent ploy to get the ones holding out with XP to get Vista, then release 7 with some major improvements and need that too.
Golygus 19th August 2008, 17:25 Quote
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Originally Posted by Redbeaver
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Originally Posted by amacieli
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
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Originally Posted by adamc
i don't know what everyone's problem with vista is, I've been running vista x64 for almost a year and it has performed flawlessly.

+1

+1

no OS works flawlessly for me :p

but Vista works better than XP for me....

so +1

another +1 here.

I find the people who complain about vista being a resource hog, are the same people who complained about XP being a resource hog when it first arrived. Agreed the difference is bigger than either ME/2000 to XP than it is XP to Vista, but the points the same.

Computers move on. Vista is new, and runs very well on new hardware. Its memory management is a lot better than previous versions, and the more Ram you feed it the more it prepares stuff at boot to make everything quicker.

In 2002, you may have bought a base model car with no air-con, PAS electric windows etc and a new base model may have them. Do you go off on one how it adds loads more weight, or do you appreciate the new comfortable features and improved engine efficiency and so on....

just my 2 pence
Saivert 19th August 2008, 17:34 Quote
I knew this all along since the myth surrounding MinWin kernel was debunked some months ago.

MinWin was this radical slimmer kernel which allowed for a fully modularized kernel. According to Microsoft, Vista is already modularized (in that you can add/remove OS components or features).
Iorek 19th August 2008, 18:32 Quote
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Originally Posted by <A88>
That's the point, people go on about how Windows needs a fresh start etc- Vista is the 'fresh start' in which they fixed security etc, which is why people have had all these problems with compatibility. Windows 7 will probably just build on that, add some nice cloud and touch features, and generally give people a decent enough incentive to upgrade.

The fresh start, that maintains virtually all backward compatiblity etc (thus isn't very fresh). As for the security... as someone who supports a lot of users, the only thing that the new security features are good for is teaching users not to read and just click yes... how many have moaned that the UAC is annoying, and they just click yet to get rid of it, completely defeating the point of it.

I can see Windows 7 needing even more resources than Vista, granted we may be able to get more ram etc... but why should we when its not NEEDED.

I am quite happy with 1GB for working with web designs in Photoshop, under linux (where i spend most of my time) 512MB would suffice. I don't want to have to buy more RAM just cos the OS has got a lot more bloated.
knuck 19th August 2008, 19:10 Quote
there is a debate about vista and Goodbytes hasn't showed up yet ? weird
DougEdey 19th August 2008, 19:13 Quote
Why can't you guys get out of the rut that microsoft put you in years ago?

Resources are there to be used

Why would you buy a HUGE system only to have 5% of it being used 95% of the time????
cpemma 19th August 2008, 20:13 Quote
Who to blame for the weather, Bush, your impotence, etc.

http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/default.aspx

Interesting read.
Iorek 19th August 2008, 21:10 Quote
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
Why can't you guys get out of the rut that microsoft put you in years ago?

Resources are there to be used

Why would you buy a HUGE system only to have 5% of it being used 95% of the time????
But, why should we be forced to upgrade a perfectly working pc because microsoft writes a bloated OS / Office app etc that needs so many resources :)
DougEdey 19th August 2008, 21:16 Quote
If your computer is working perfectly why upgrade the OS?
Glider 19th August 2008, 21:18 Quote
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Originally Posted by Iorek
But, why should we be forced to upgrade a perfectly working pc because microsoft writes a bloated OS / Office app etc that needs so many resources :)

But...

Why don't you get your facts straight?
badders 19th August 2008, 21:44 Quote
Vista doesn't Need so many resources - It ran fine on my old Athlon 2400+(1.9GHz) with 1Gb of RAM and a Radeon 9800Pro. However, if you give it more Resources, then it will use those effectively to improve your experience of it.

The only thing holding most systems back nowadays is the hard disk. If you throw RAM at Vista, it will do its best to try and lessen that bottleneck.

I'd be interested to know exactly what tweaks will be made for Windows 7 though...
DXR_13KE 19th August 2008, 22:37 Quote
it does have a big hard drive footprint... but that is what you get when your OS has lots of stuff in it to avoid problems like the lack of drivers and stuff....
simosaurus 20th August 2008, 12:51 Quote
all these versions... lol

im a geek and i dont even know what they are all for.
Icy EyeG 20th August 2008, 23:32 Quote
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Windows 7 a "minor release"

Mmmm so it's like Windows 98SE all over again? I wonder how much we'll have to pay for the upgrade.... :|
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