Microsoft has voiced concerns that changes too the UK ratings systems could result in more expensive games.

Microsoft has voiced concerns that changes too the UK ratings systems could result in more expensive games.

Microsoft executive Neil Thompson has voiced concerns recently that the proposed changes to the UK ratings systems put forward in the Byron report may end up making computer games in the UK more expensive.

"We're in the business of providing great games to a broad audience of gamers, and we need to be able to fulfill that role by getting products to consumers quickly and at a good price," he told GI.biz.

"We're concerned with any measures that would mean this process is made more unwieldy, or incurs additional costs which have to be shared with the consumer."

Although Dr Byron suggested in her government commissioned report that games should adopt a new rating system where any game rated 12+ by the opt-in PEGI standard should be re-rated by the governmental body the BBFC, Microsoft is cautious about such a change. At the moment only games rated as 15+ are examined by the BBFC.

"We want a steady stream of product to consumers via retail and therefore support PEGI as the single ratings system in the UK," said Thompson. "That way, we're able to ensure the right content goes to the right audience, as efficiently as possible."

The comment comes shortly after EA;s Keith Ramsdale voice similar worries that the proposed system could slow down UK releases.

How much would you pay for games nowadays? Won't increased costs just push more people to piracy? Let us know your thoughts in the forums.
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Quote steveo_mcg 30th June 2008, 11:25
Good excuse to hike the price up... any excuse to hike the price up.
Quote Paradigm Shifter 30th June 2008, 11:28
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Originally Posted by steveo_mcg
Good excuse to hike the price up... any excuse to hike the price up.
Of course! ;)

It's not greed.

It's never greed, no.
Quote liratheal 30th June 2008, 12:00
Wait, so they need to cost more even though we already pay more than, say, the US by damn near $20?

God, I hate you money grabbing **** scoffs.
Quote Phil Rhodes 30th June 2008, 12:13
Well, since we don't pay nearly as much as in the US anyway - oh - no - hang on...
Quote M4RTIN 30th June 2008, 12:17
any excuse for the picture eh? lol
Quote The Infamous Mr D 30th June 2008, 12:28
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Originally Posted by M4RTIN
any excuse for the picture eh? lol

Yeah baby!

Although I fail to see how a publisher who has completed a game, paid off and fired its dev team, sent it off to the BBFC and are now waiting a few weeks or months would need to charge a premium for that game. I suppose they would need to pay out if they didn't get the rating they hoped for and needed to tweak said game to remove the offending content, but still - it just smacks of publishers crying about not getting their way so much. And trying to fleece the honest consumer in the bargain.
Quote Timmy_the_tortoise 30th June 2008, 12:28
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Originally Posted by M4RTIN
any excuse for the picture eh? lol

Yes.. but we need a new one...

Can't the government just legally enforce the PEGI rating? rather than having a two-tiered system which is just damned confusing.
Quote Darkedge 30th June 2008, 12:41
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Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
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Originally Posted by M4RTIN
any excuse for the picture eh? lol
Can't the government just legally enforce the PEGI rating? rather than having a two-tiered system which is just damned confusing.

this is the solution NOT using the BBFC - much easier all round and across the EU to have ONE simple rating and PEGI is that as BBFC will not be accepted outside the UK. That will keep things simple for consumers and publishers.
Quote mrb_no1 30th June 2008, 12:56
who is the chick in the picture anyways?

peace
Quote naokaji 30th June 2008, 13:21
and the bbfc is most likely paid with tax money anyway.. I dont really see why ms needs more money other than pure greed.
Quote Timmy_the_tortoise 30th June 2008, 14:18
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Originally Posted by mrb_no1
who is the chick in the picture anyways?

peace

Dr. Tanya Byron

Hottest TV psychologist ever.

And naokaji, the BBFC is a government institution (instated by the Thatcher government.. in 1982, I think..) ergo, it is funded by Taxes.
Quote SaNdCrAwLeR 30th June 2008, 14:37
sure, put their prices up to what we usually get here...
and then we'll see if piracy is a problem :P (specially when a game 2-3 years old is being sold at its launch price) :P
Quote NuTech 30th June 2008, 14:54
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Originally Posted by naokaji
and the bbfc is most likely paid with tax money anyway.. I dont really see why ms needs more money other than pure greed.
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Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
Dr. Tanya Byron

Hottest TV psychologist ever.

And naokaji, the BBFC is a government institution (instated by the Thatcher government.. in 1982, I think..) ergo, it is funded by Taxes.
The BBFC is actually a private company that is in no way funded by the government or 'our taxes', the government just empowers them. Their fee is charged to whoever submits the media (usually the publishers). The fee varies somewhat (relative to the length of the work), but the cost of an average video game or film is about £1100.

I kind of understand the point Microsoft is trying to make here (although I don't think they're being entirely upfront with their motives). Currently if they want to publish a game in Europe, they first send it to PEGI where it receives a rating which is good enough for most of Europe (bar countries like Germany which have a separate system for violent media), and if it receives a 15+ rating, it's then sent to the BBFC.

Now here's the problem, as a publisher it's generally quite simple to predict which games are going to be rated 15+ (they usually have lots of blood), so all they have to do is send it to the BBFC and PEGI at the same time resulting in minimal delay. However a game can be rated 12+ for various reasons, leading to a delay when subsequently sent to the BBFC (under the proposed Byron report). So if you bare in mind that release dates are usually quite precisely timed events (taking into account various factors; advertising, coinciding releases etc), you can probably get an idea why publishers are against such a change.

Also, nobody likes a big red warning circle on the front of their shiny new game ;)
Quote Timmy_the_tortoise 30th June 2008, 16:21
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Originally Posted by NuTech
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Originally Posted by naokaji
and the bbfc is most likely paid with tax money anyway.. I dont really see why ms needs more money other than pure greed.
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Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
Dr. Tanya Byron

Hottest TV psychologist ever.

And naokaji, the BBFC is a government institution (instated by the Thatcher government.. in 1982, I think..) ergo, it is funded by Taxes.
The BBFC is actually a private company that is in no way funded by the government or 'our taxes', the government just empowers them. Their fee is charged to whoever submits the media (usually the publishers). The fee varies somewhat (relative to the length of the work), but the cost of an average video game or film is about £1100.

Well, that's me corrected... I can't trust TV documentaries (of which I forget what this one was) to inform me anymore..
Quote DXR_13KE 30th June 2008, 17:30
why don't they make the plastic cover of the game with a big ass warning in case it has lots of blood and gore and violence?
Quote LordPyrinc 1st July 2008, 00:53
Extra cost? Please... if the UK or anyone else has a different rating system, just slap a cheap 2 or 3 cent sticker with the appropriate rating on the box. No need for a whole different box as I think MS might be alluding to.

Oooo, I got an even better idea... If you are under 18, you can't buy any games (PC, Console, or Boardgames). Only adults (18+) should be able to purchase any games. We don't want to shatter the innocent minds of our youths do we? Oh, and lets not forget movies... Disney is notorious for including adult humour in their films. Let's not stop there, toys are violent too. Only adults should be able to purchase any toys. GI Joe, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers, Indiana Jones toys? Only an adult can determine if these are okay for our youth. Let's not forget books either. Harry Potter books should be rated 18+ because they have characters that get murdered.

Sorry, rant over.
Quote LordPyrinc 1st July 2008, 00:54
By the way, I was being sarcastic... just to let everyone know.
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