Sony has announced plans to move to a new 65nm graphics chip by the end of this year.

Sony has announced plans to move to a new 65nm graphics chip by the end of this year.

Sony boss Kaz Hirai has indicated in a series of slides from an internal corporate strategy meeting at Sony that the company is planning to update the PlayStation 3 graphics chip later this year.

The plan is, according to Kotaku, for Sony to update the PlayStation 3's graphics chip to a new 65nm model by Q4 this year.

The new graphics chip will be smaller, cooler and cheaper to produce than the current model, so Sony is understandably keen to make the move as soon as possible as the PlayStation 3 is still seen by many as prohibitively expensive compared to the Nintendo Wii and Microsoft Xbox 360.

Kaz Hirai also indicated in the meeting that Sony is looking to reduce the total number of components in the PlayStation 3, as well as introduce some more new and exciting titles for the console - but specifics are a little lacking.

Hopefully the move to a new graphics processor will go smoother than similar moves made by Microsoft to update to smaller chips, which resulted in months of speculation, rumour and disappointment before the new models arrived.

Do you have a PlayStation 3? How would you change it if you could? Let us know your thoughts in the forums.
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Quote Timmy_the_tortoise 27th June 2008, 12:29
I still won't buy one...

My HTPC will be all I need for media. And my 360 is all I need for gaming.
Quote LeMaltor 27th June 2008, 13:20
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Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
I still won't buy one...

My HTPC will be all I need for media. And my 360 is all I need for gaming.

Sony are distraught at this news X_X
Quote ps3fanboy454648765 27th June 2008, 13:31
no it means a huge pricedrop and more sales for sony and microsoft hiding in the corner crying because they lost
out on the christmas season of 2008 and are going to pump out half-arsed games and allow 750mb of storage for XBLA tiles
and online storage in which sony will allow 4x the storage for ps3 and release 15 new franchises for the ps3 and have resistance 3
up and running with 100players runnig amuck which would be a nightmere for insomiac that and 17 new studios open in wales
meaning i'd be able to make games of my own which will sell systems around the world.
Quote Timmy_the_tortoise 27th June 2008, 13:41
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Originally Posted by LeMaltor
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Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
I still won't buy one...

My HTPC will be all I need for media. And my 360 is all I need for gaming.

Sony are distraught at this news X_X

How do you know? Did they release a statement?
Quote Paradigm Shifter 27th June 2008, 13:47
Sony seem desperate to cut out the guts of the PS3. Backwards compatibility, the card readers (did they cut the WIFI out too?)

Still, the console running cooler is a good thing. Although mine barely gets warm (in a well ventilated area) and the fans are inaudible unless the room is otherwise silent. :)
Quote SNIPERMikeUK 27th June 2008, 14:00
When FANBOYS go wrong........lol
Quote Timmy_the_tortoise 27th June 2008, 14:11
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Originally Posted by SNIPERMikeUK
When FANBOYS go wrong........lol

When games console pricing goes wrong.......

You've got a whole lot of gamers out of pocket.
Quote p3n 27th June 2008, 14:38
I prefer my PS3 for streaming media to the 360 (why is the 360 so effing loud?) my 360 probably sees more gaming but im yet to get properly started on MGS4! .. And of course the bluray > hd dvd stuff :)
Quote Timmy_the_tortoise 27th June 2008, 14:43
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Originally Posted by p3n
I prefer my PS3 for streaming media to the 360 (why is the 360 so effing loud?) my 360 probably sees more gaming but im yet to get properly started on MGS4! .. And of course the bluray > hd dvd stuff :)

In my experience, it's the DVD Drive which is the loudest part on the 360.. Not entirely sure why. But that's the component which gives my ears the most hassle.
Quote Bauul 27th June 2008, 15:14
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Originally Posted by ps3fanboy454648765
no it means a huge pricedrop and more sales for sony and microsoft hiding in the corner crying because they lost
out on the christmas season of 2008 and are going to pump out half-arsed games and allow 750mb of storage for XBLA tiles
and online storage in which sony will allow 4x the storage for ps3 and release 15 new franchises for the ps3 and have resistance 3
up and running with 100players runnig amuck which would be a nightmere for insomiac that and 17 new studios open in wales
meaning i'd be able to make games of my own which will sell systems around the world.

LOL. I hope that was meant in jest, cos it just really cheered me up. I love the idea of Sony selling a few more consoles so thinking "what shall we do with all the money? Lets open up more games studios! In WALES!!!!"
Quote Timmy_the_tortoise 27th June 2008, 15:20
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Originally Posted by Bauul
Lets open up more games studios! In WALES!!!!"

But.. then all the games will be covered in Sea Mammal Bile.... Silly Sony...

Oh...

LOL
Quote Redbeaver 27th June 2008, 16:15
if the new core can knock $100 off the price, i probably get it. i only play on my PC so far, but MSG4 is very tempting :)

plus i got an HDTV playing only regular cable :(
Quote Jojii 27th June 2008, 16:42
check out zero punctuation's MGS4 review
Quote devdevil85 27th June 2008, 16:53
Shrinking chips is always good news. Let's just hope this leads to price cuts before Xmas so that PS3 has the momentum it needs to be a contender this generation. When will they unveil the next replacement for the 40/80GB SKU's? E3?
Quote breakspirit 27th June 2008, 17:51
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Originally Posted by Jojii
check out zero punctuation's MGS4 review

No, check out a real review of mgs4. Zero Punctuation's just bitched about the cut scenes for 5 minutes and barely covered the actual game at all. Gametrailers made a pretty good video review of it.
Quote devdevil85 27th June 2008, 17:53
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Originally Posted by breakspirit
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Originally Posted by Jojii
check out zero punctuation's MGS4 review

No, check out a real review of mgs4. Zero Punctuation's just bitched about the cut scenes for 5 minutes and barely covered the actual game at all. Gametrailers made a pretty good video review of it.
That's why he's popular sadly......but you still have to laugh at his opinions.....
Quote 1ad7 27th June 2008, 20:58
love my ps3, well worth the money in my opinion. Just not in its full stride yet soon though :D
Quote DXR_13KE 27th June 2008, 21:13
maybe it will be made smaller....
Quote mikeuk2004 28th June 2008, 00:01
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Originally Posted by p3n
I prefer my PS3 for streaming media to the 360 (why is the 360 so effing loud?) my 360 probably sees more gaming but im yet to get properly started on MGS4! .. And of course the bluray > hd dvd stuff :)

Same here on all stated.

I still don’t get the price issue? The PS3 will always be more expensive than the Wii and Xbox 360 because there is more machine for your money. But what gets me is that people still moan about the price today which is just £10 - £50 at most (depending one where you shop) than the 360 Elite. The PS3 has been cheaper this year than what I paid for my 360 Premium only one year before, and nobody moaned about the 360 being too expensive. Thats £200 slashed from its original rrp of £500 in less than a year of its release. People in this country and USA just want stuff for nothing. It doesnt happen unless your a benefit freak.

I can only assume its competitor fan boys and those that don’t ever have any intention on buying a PS3 that moan about the price.
Quote devdevil85 28th June 2008, 05:06
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
I can only assume its competitor fan boys and those that don’t ever have any intention on buying a PS3 that moan about the price.
When I spoke of price cuts, I meant on the older SKU's (which would be very limited of course) which I personally don't want. I want a newer, more power/heat efficient version that sports the DS3 (should've been there originally), a larger HDD as well as a good game bundled in that would replace the current 40GB SKU at the $399 price point. I'm not expecting a BC version at that price point either, but I don't need it since I don't want to play PS2 games anymore, let alone PS1 though I wouldn't mind it. With that said, I'm not complaining about price, I'm complaining about features. I feel like I've waited this long to buy a PS3, so I'm willing to wait for the next/better version and I hope it comes soon because IMO I don't see the 40GB selling good too much longer w/o another killer title like MGS4 coming in the next 1-2 months, and aren't the 80GB's all sold out?, so it's hard to see Sony sticking w/ the current gameplan.

I loved how you pointed out the 360 price example. I felt like I was the only one who saw this, as well. If you really think about it, the cost of the 20GB Premium + (the inevitable) XBL subscription = 40GB PS3 while the 120GB Elite + (the inevitable) XBL subscription = 80GB PS3. I know that at E3, MS is supposed to drop the price of all SKU's so this is another reason I feel like Sony will refresh its lineup with two new SKU replacements *crossing fingers* to respond to it and possibly doing like they did on the 60GB's and price dropping the 40GB's $50 cheaper to $349?, who knows.....again wishful thinking....
Quote Bindibadgi 28th June 2008, 13:54
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Originally Posted by LeMaltor
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Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
I still won't buy one...

My HTPC will be all I need for media. And my 360 is all I need for gaming.

Sony are distraught at this news X_X

Best Comeback Ev-er.

Hahaha. :)
Quote Furymouse 28th June 2008, 17:53
But won't a die shrink mean a better performing gpu than the current sku's? Wouldn't it then be possible that the newer games will not be compatible with the older sku's seeing as they were coded to run with the newer more powerful chip?
Quote Bindibadgi 28th June 2008, 18:30
No, it's simply about cost and power use. TSMC (or whoever FAB the GPU silicon) probably is simply phasing out its 90nm tooling and more common 65nm manufacturing now costs appreciably les, because yields are optimal after a several years development.
Quote rollo 28th June 2008, 21:00
360 premium cost me same as ps3 did ( got 2 games with ps3 though)

360 is one noisy arse machine

ps3 is silent in comparison

my pc is quieter than my 360 is which is rather shocking considering its got alot more graphics hardware.
Quote mp3manager 29th June 2008, 03:42
I still won't buy one until....full UK launch functionality has been restored.

I don't buy anything that has been *deliberately gimped* to reach a price point.
Quote BigD79 30th June 2008, 09:18
Unless they do a PSThree i wouldn't think about changing!
It will help get more PS3 owners, and it looks like it may coincide with Home being released, which should also boost sales which is a good thing for owners all round.
I think Sony need to push the software side of things more, the machine is good as is,
Quote mclean007 30th June 2008, 10:25
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Originally Posted by Furymouse
But won't a die shrink mean a better performing gpu than the current sku's? Wouldn't it then be possible that the newer games will not be compatible with the older sku's seeing as they were coded to run with the newer more powerful chip?
Nope. While it probably could be clocked higher given the smaller process, it will run at exactly the same speed as the current ones, for the reason you state. The advantages will be (a) cheaper manufacture; and (b) lower power consumption so lower heat output.
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
Thats £200 slashed from its original rrp of £500 in less than a year of its release. People in this country and USA just want stuff for nothing. It doesnt happen unless your a benefit freak.
I agree with your sentiments, but this quote is misleading - the original RRP was £425, not £500, so the price cut is only £136 (£425 at launch to £289 typical price now) and the current machine is lower specced (no PS2 back compatibility, no SACD support, fewer USB ports, no memory card reader) than the £425 launch model.
Quote BoomAM 30th June 2008, 10:51
Hmm.
I just got my PS3 and i like how quiet it is, its not silent though.

If the new'en was cheap enough and had a few extra bits and bobs thrown in, i think i would be tempted. Asuming it was quieter still...
Quote mclean007 30th June 2008, 11:37
How long before we see a PS3 Slim & Light using the new die-shrunk parts, maybe with some more integration into fewer components, a cheaper price tag and dualshock 3? That will be awesome.
Quote DougEdey 30th June 2008, 11:40
Dualshock three is out in Europe in July, Sony just officially confirmed it :)
Quote mikeuk2004 30th June 2008, 12:41
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Originally Posted by DougEdey
Dualshock three is out in Europe in July, Sony just officially confirmed it :)

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=153631 ;)
Quote Timmy_the_tortoise 30th June 2008, 12:47
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
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Originally Posted by LeMaltor
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Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
I still won't buy one...

My HTPC will be all I need for media. And my 360 is all I need for gaming.

Sony are distraught at this news X_X

Best Comeback Ev-er.

Hahaha. :)


Comebacks tend to be in response to verbal attack...

I was merely making a statement.
Quote devdevil85 30th June 2008, 15:14
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Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
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Originally Posted by LeMaltor
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
I still won't buy one...

My HTPC will be all I need for media. And my 360 is all I need for gaming.

Sony are distraught at this news X_X

Best Comeback Ev-er.

Hahaha. :)


Comebacks tend to be in response to verbal attack...

I was merely making a statement.
I'm taking it that you don't care for games like MGS4, FFXII, LBP, KZ2 etc., or mini/addictive-games like Echchrome, PJ:Monsters, etc.? that you will never experience on the 360?

Also, does your HTPC support Blu-Ray?
Quote Timmy_the_tortoise 30th June 2008, 16:18
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Originally Posted by devdevil85
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Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
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Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeMaltor
Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy_the_tortoise
I still won't buy one...

My HTPC will be all I need for media. And my 360 is all I need for gaming.

Sony are distraught at this news X_X

Best Comeback Ev-er.

Hahaha. :)


Comebacks tend to be in response to verbal attack...

I was merely making a statement.
I'm taking it that you don't care for games like MGS4, FFXII, LBP, KZ2 etc., or mini/addictive-games like Echchrome, PJ:Monsters, etc.? that you will never experience on the 360?

Also, does your HTPC support Blu-Ray?

Not one of those games interests me in the slightest..

And my HTPC WILL support both Blu-Ray and HD DVD (because HD DVDs are REALLY cheap nowadays.. "£2.99 for 300? Yes please!")
Quote rollo 1st July 2008, 01:07
hd dvds are cheap to clear them. Theres no new releases.

Wonder how consoles will keep up with pc technology since they are already 2gens behind. If MS or Sony even think about continuing the fight graphically one of them will spend alot of money . Anything above £350 uk price wont be brought in numbers. Both companys relise this. So how do you fit £1200 of hardware into £350. You either take huge money losses . Or dont do it.

Next gen wars would be fun to see.

Since i dont see how either can compete with even the basic of pcs today. Most basic pcs have ati 3850 graphics card. Which is still a more powerful card than a 360 or ps3 have.

gameplay wise the games will have to be brilliant. Halo3 is the end of that stupid fransise or so we thought. forza 3 please give 2 disk version. as for there big game at christmas gears of war. Its a console fps in a console world. Its no were near a good game on pc.

would like to see ps3 and 360s actual online numbers a night. Not just accounts. If its gets close to any decent online pc game id be shocked. Even combined. There may be 10million 360s but id hazzard a guess less than half are online. And half of that care for online games. GTA 4 gets old fast online after 1hr you wont go back. halo 3 was fun for a few days same as before though gets boring. no other real titles worth mensioning. PS3 doesnt really have a game worth going online with. cod 4 perhaps ( its better on pc) metal gear online could be one yet to try it though
Quote BoomAM 1st July 2008, 08:45
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Originally Posted by rollo
hd dvds are cheap to clear them. Theres no new releases.

Wonder how consoles will keep up with pc technology since they are already 2gens behind. If MS or Sony even think about continuing the fight graphically one of them will spend alot of money . Anything above £350 uk price wont be brought in numbers. Both companys relise this. So how do you fit £1200 of hardware into £350. You either take huge money losses . Or dont do it.

Next gen wars would be fun to see.

Since i dont see how either can compete with even the basic of pcs today. Most basic pcs have ati 3850 graphics card. Which is still a more powerful card than a 360 or ps3 have.

gameplay wise the games will have to be brilliant. Halo3 is the end of that stupid fransise or so we thought. forza 3 please give 2 disk version. as for there big game at christmas gears of war. Its a console fps in a console world. Its no were near a good game on pc.

would like to see ps3 and 360s actual online numbers a night. Not just accounts. If its gets close to any decent online pc game id be shocked. Even combined. There may be 10million 360s but id hazzard a guess less than half are online. And half of that care for online games. GTA 4 gets old fast online after 1hr you wont go back. halo 3 was fun for a few days same as before though gets boring. no other real titles worth mensioning. PS3 doesnt really have a game worth going online with. cod 4 perhaps ( its better on pc) metal gear online could be one yet to try it though
Its not as simple as specs.
The PC has to have significantely high specifications to run a game compared to a console due to the fact that the developers have to make a barely optimised, one size fits all, game, to make sure that its compatible with the most systems.
A console has fixed hardware that cant be changed. So a developer can code 'to the metal' on them and produce highly optimised games.
The case example at the moment is the fact that the most impressive visual PC games dont actually look leaps and bounds above the best of either of the two 'power consoles'.
In a few years time, todays performance PC parts can be squeezed into a console at a lower cost, and that 30-50% performance difference that PCs enjoy today, can have heavily optimised games for consoles that are, as with today, not that far behind the latest on PC.
Quote DougEdey 1st July 2008, 09:11
Games Consoles do not compete with PCs, they compete with each other.
Quote salesman 1st July 2008, 15:51
I own all three consoles a ps3 360 and the wii and the only thing that i would have liked to see is and hdmi port come standard on launch day for the xbox 360, forget all the other issues, because now if i want that support i have to buy another xbox 360. If you are building a home theater make sure all you components support hdmi it makes for a hassle free hometheater. And the PS3 is way more entertaining to me it with its no bugs compared to my 360 never running right. I used to be a xbox fanboy but with seeing and using them both i would take the PS3 any day over the 360 if i had to choose just one. Plus the best cool extra feature that the PS3 has that the 360 doesn't is that its also a game console so i can play games on it if i get bored what else it can do (which probably won't happen). But hey guys to each his own just don't spend all your money or your time, crap i'm late for work. SUCKS!!!
Quote M4RTIN 1st July 2008, 15:57
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Originally Posted by salesman
Plus the best cool extra feature that the PS3 has that the 360 doesn't is that its also a game console so i can play games on it if i get bored what else it can do (which probably won't happen). !

normally i dont care for fanboy argument threads, which all console ones become eventually..

but HUH? since when was the 360 not a games console? did you get sold an off white waffle iron by mistake
Quote salesman 2nd July 2008, 15:49
The 360 is just a gaming console, the PS3 is an entertainment center, in which you can't compare them. I hardly ever play games on my PS3 as is the case for most people i know that have one, but i hardly ever play video games in general. I made that statement with the intention of pissing somebody off, playing games on the PS3 is just a added benefit, a "cool extra feature", the 360 on the other hand is just a console that can play games and DVDs, and HD DVD which at this point in time isn't retail anymore. So tell me what you think M4RTIN, what is the PS3 and what is the 360. Now if all you want to do is play games then ya get the 360, but man its just so buggy and the PS3 has never given me a hiccup. I use the PS3 to view media streaming via windows media player which goes without problem and it takes hardly any time to setup meanwhile anytime i want to try that with the 360 its constant hassle granted it does work most of the time its just a gaming console trying to do everything else and so it does a shoddy job of it.

I don't need sony to prove they make good games cause they've already proven that, and i don't see microsoft making anything better then they've already made i.e. window 95, 98, xp, just up to date.

My point was simple, gaming on the 360 can not be called the best cool extra feature because that's all it can do its not considered a feature, whereas the PS3 is central hub to my home theater being able to do anything i want it to do in that aspect and it never crapping out on me in the process. Why is it that sony is losing money hand over fist on every PS3 sold? Because it cost that much to make and its being sold on a price point close to the 360, its a better product hands down especially at its price point. hell look at the wii sub $200 dollar price point and for what it can do just proves why its liked by more people then by all the fans of all the consoles prior to it. i did not "get sold an off white waffle iron by mistake", I bought a box of crap. But hey if the PS3 is not useful to a person then so what neither is playing video games. And thank you for normally not caring for fanboy arguments.
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