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Japan to boot P2P users

Japan to boot P2P users

Japanese Internet users may find themselves disconnected if they use P2P software such as Winny.

If you thought that copyright infringement by peer-to-peer file sharing users was purely a western concern, think again. Japan's Telecom Service Association and the Telecommunications Carriers Association have joined forces to draft a set of procedures aimed at curbing the country's growing piracy rate.

According to the Daily Yomiuri (don't worry – it's in English) the coalition represents around 1,000 providers of domestic broadband making it the biggest anti-piracy gathering in recorded history. The group aims to combat the use of peer-to-peer applications to trade copyright media, and it is thought that just shy of two million people in Japan use the file sharing program Winny to do just that.

So far the scheme is the usual story of users being policed by their ISP, receiving sternly-worded warnings if their connection is used for illicit purposes and cutting their connection should the naughtiness persist. File sharers who ignore even this rather extreme step would find their contract terminated, although it isn't yet clear whether they would be free to sign up with a different ISP should this happen.

Interestingly, this isn't the first time that Japanese ISPs have toyed with the idea of policing the use of file-sharing applications. Around two years ago one of the largest Japanese ISPs introduced an automated system to drop connections that were using the Winny P2P software, but this plan was dropped after the Internal Affairs and Communications Ministry warned that the scheme smacked of “snooping”.

Presumably, with so many ISPs and industry groups signed up to the project, this latest incarnation has found a way around that particular complaint.

Would you ever consider using an ISP that openly policed what you used your connection for, or should ISPs get on with providing an Internet service free from restrictions? Share your thoughts over in the forums.

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lewchenko 18th March 2008, 10:17 Quote
Are there any legitimate users of P2P these days ?

Everything I read regarding P2P is about 'sharing' stolen music, videos, games, or for that matter... anything digital.
For actual downloads of necessary files I use a service like fileplanet which isnt P2P.

Perhaps its time to shut down all P2P services. Who even needs them ? Other than the thieves of course!
Jamie 18th March 2008, 10:22 Quote
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Originally Posted by lewchenko
Are there any legitimate users of P2P these days ?

Everything I read regarding P2P is about 'sharing' stolen music, videos, games, or for that matter... anything digital.
For actual downloads of necessary files I use a service like fileplanet which isnt P2P.

Perhaps its time to shut down all P2P services. Who even needs them ? Other than the thieves of course!

Blizzard uses their own bittorrent client to distribute updates for WoW.
steveo_mcg 18th March 2008, 10:29 Quote
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Originally Posted by lewchenko
Are there any legitimate users of P2P these days ?

Everything I read regarding P2P is about 'sharing' stolen music, videos, games, or for that matter... anything digital.
For actual downloads of necessary files I use a service like fileplanet which isnt P2P.

Perhaps its time to shut down all P2P services. Who even needs them ? Other than the thieves of course!
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Originally Posted by steveo_mcg
I personally use it more for distros or large game patches more than i do for pirating.
Cthippo 18th March 2008, 10:44 Quote
Pointless, TBH

Nothing is going to overcome the collective desire and ability of those who pirate, and it creates a new market for those who don't sign on the the accord. What i wonder is why the ISPs got onboard with this. Certainly booting their own paying customers is not in their best interests.

Piracy is the hydra of the modern era, but but unlike the one Hercules fought, cauterizing the stumps will not keep it from growing new heads. The only solution is new business models which realize that anything which can be pirated will, and therefore find new revenue streams .
DXR_13KE 18th March 2008, 11:56 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cthippo
Pointless, TBH

Nothing is going to overcome the collective desire and ability of those who pirate, and it creates a new market for those who don't sign on the the accord. What i wonder is why the ISPs got onboard with this. Certainly booting their own paying customers is not in their best interests.

Piracy is the hydra of the modern era, but but unlike the one Hercules fought, cauterizing the stumps will not keep it from growing new heads. The only solution is new business models which realize that anything which can be pirated will, and therefore find new revenue streams .

no more, no less.

but i would like to see the effects of this... really i would, it would be more interesting if every P2P network closed during a period of time to see what would happen....
DrFreeze 18th March 2008, 12:40 Quote
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Originally Posted by lewchenko

Perhaps its time to shut down all P2P services. Who even needs them ? Other than the thieves of course!

1. you cant just shut down all P2P services, it's not like there is a central p2p server in a basement which's plug you can pull, block protocol A in all the ISP routers, and within weeks a protocol B will have taken over, this time less obvious and less filterable then the last, untill the only way to distinguish between p2p and other traffic will be to monitor the entire datastream, and with advanced network/encryption techniques, even that may become impossible. And even if filesharing over the internet were to be cut downby 99%, people will start burning DVDs, using external hdds, to start a new sort of underground distribution network. Pandora's box has been opened, it can't be closed anymore.

2. besides my weekly fansubs, i always use bittorrent when downloading a new ubuntu ISO, in the hope that i might contribute even just a few megabits of my own bandwidth to the distribution of linux. Last time i checked, linux isnt illegal...
Penrhos 18th March 2008, 13:21 Quote
Surley money is behind this... How much traffic on an ISP's network is P2P - stop it and they dont have to pay to provide so much bandwith. Piracy is just an excuse. If people wont pay for software stopping P2P isn't going to make them start.
Bluephoenix 18th March 2008, 13:55 Quote
the only positive impact I see this having is the open-source community exploding at the seams as more and more free alternatives are written for the more expensive widely shared applications.

and since P2P will be the primary medium for that exchange, the ISPs still lose...... :)
Nictron 18th March 2008, 14:26 Quote
I know a few people who use P2P and the only thing they do is Pirate, Pirate, Pirate.

Shutting down P2P will hurt the ISP's allot on the data usage side, but then they will just use Community Wireless LAN's to pirate some more.

The sorry fact is that piracy is accepted and even respected by some! And to close it down will take some very harsh examples unfortunately.

Remember that real Piracy (the shipping kind) started legally and got out of hand and then the collective community started killing and hanging the Pirates and today you don't really hear of a pirate at sea anymore!

Harsh punishment is the only thing that will stop this, not cute adverts or wasted communication.
Bluephoenix 18th March 2008, 14:31 Quote
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Originally Posted by Nictron
I know a few people who use P2P and the only thing they do is Pirate, Pirate, Pirate.

Shutting down P2P will hurt the ISP's allot on the data usage side, but then they will just use Community Wireless LAN's to pirate some more.

The sorry fact is that piracy is accepted and even respected by some! And to close it down will take some very harsh examples unfortunately.

Remember that real Piracy (the shipping kind) started legally and got out of hand and then the collective community started killing and hanging the Pirates and today you don't realy hear of a pirate at see anymore!

Harsh punishment is the only thing that will stop this, not cute adverts or wasted communication.

no pirates at sea?

ride a container ship off the coast of somalia and see if you walk away without being attacked or scouted by them at least once.

they still exist, but instead of dramatic tales, they prefer no one hears about them so they just take a machine gun to the entire crew
chicorasia 18th March 2008, 14:33 Quote
[QUOTE=DrFreeze]
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Originally Posted by lewchenko

the only way to distinguish between p2p and other traffic will be to monitor the entire datastream, and with advanced network/encryption techniques, even that may become impossible.

Not to mention the networking overhead!
proxess 18th March 2008, 14:36 Quote
back on topic, i'm interested to see the effect of this, and see how many other countries will do something similar.
Nictron 18th March 2008, 14:39 Quote
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Originally Posted by Bluephoenix
no pirates at sea?

ride a container ship off the coast of somalia and see if you walk away without being attacked or scouted by them at least once.

they still exist, but instead of dramatic tales, they prefer no one hears about them so they just take a machine gun to the entire crew

mmhh read my post and I didn't see me mention NO Pirates at sea! And the same will happen to P2P is it is treated harshly it will fall into the void and kept secret and not as pronounced as it currently is.

My apologies for the spelling of sea I can't remember the last time I spelled sea in English!
Bluephoenix 18th March 2008, 14:42 Quote
my mother spent years at sea on various commercial ships (office work for a shipping company) and never left without her .22 rifle

the reason I never piss her off is she is still a mean shot with that thing, and has had to use it on more than one occaision, in the atlantic, pacific, and indian oceans

TBH, piracy is more rampant now than it used to be, but with most shipping lines no longer being nationalized, and the pirates avoiding US ships on purpose (only to avoid publicity and the coast guard/navy)

go and look at the coast guard's registry of pirate incidents, you'll be quite surprized
AcidJiles 18th March 2008, 14:44 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cthippo
Pointless, TBH

Nothing is going to overcome the collective desire and ability of those who pirate, and it creates a new market for those who don't sign on the the accord. What i wonder is why the ISPs got onboard with this. Certainly booting their own paying customers is not in their best interests.

Piracy is the hydra of the modern era, but but unlike the one Hercules fought, cauterizing the stumps will not keep it from growing new heads. The only solution is new business models which realize that anything which can be pirated will, and therefore find new revenue streams .

Thing is hardley any money is being lost from piracy whatever the MPAA etc tell you. The huge majority of people pirate things they would never buy and therefore its not a lost sale. This concept of lost sale to each act of piracy is absurded as some surveys show that it actually increases peoples awareness of products and they buy what they enjoy the most rather than having to guess what the quality of a product will be. Im not saying piracy is morally a good thing but its not a revenue loss like is suggested and is just a message to providers of content that they need provide it a way that the consumers who are downloading want, eg at a fair price, non drmed, higher quality, fast downloads and less restrictive formats.
Nictron 18th March 2008, 14:52 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluephoenix
my mother spent years at sea on various commercial ships (office work for a shipping company) and never left without her .22 rifle

the reason I never piss her off is she is still a mean shot with that thing, and has had to use it on more than one occaision, in the atlantic, pacific, and indian oceans

TBH, piracy is more rampant now than it used to be, but with most shipping lines no longer being nationalized, and the pirates avoiding US ships on purpose (only to avoid publicity and the coast guard/navy)

go and look at the coast guard's registry of pirate incidents, you'll be quite surprized

LOL, sounds like South Africa!:(
Nexxo 18th March 2008, 15:21 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cthippo
Piracy is the hydra of the modern era, but but unlike the one Hercules fought, cauterizing the stumps will not keep it from growing new heads. The only solution is new business models which realize that anything which can be pirated will, and therefore find new revenue streams .

"There is no conflict. Only opportunities for profit." --Ferengi Rules of Aquisition

Piracy is a product of failed self-targetting marketing strategy. It is a market waiting to be exploited --you just need to pitch the price right.
Spaceraver 20th March 2008, 16:31 Quote
Nexxo.. That hammer of yours never fails to hit the nail.
AcidJiles 21st March 2008, 23:55 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxo
"There is no conflict. Only opportunities for profit." --Ferengi Rules of Aquisition

Piracy is a product of failed self-targetting marketing strategy. It is a market waiting to be exploited --you just need to pitch the price right.

What I wanted to say but couldn't find the words. Nice Language Nexxo.
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