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Forget ISPs, your PC should snitch

Forget ISPs, your PC should snitch

The RIAA would like an application on your PC that keeps you on the straight and narrow.

We all know that the RIAA is dying to figure out what everyone is sharing on their multi-megabit broadband lines. So far they've relied on shady information gathering firms such as MediaSentry to snoop around BitTorrent traffic and bludgeoning ISPs with legal threats to get them to roll over and play dead. But this isn't enough, says head honcho Cary Sherman. According to him, it's time for your PC to turn traitor.

Sherman has previously stated that he doesn't see the need for mandatory filtering at an ISP level, although he's got nothing against voluntary filtering to prevent the sharing of copyright materials. He knows that with pretty much every major BitTorrent and NNTP client supporting encryption such measures are doomed to failure. To circumvent this, Sherman would like to see filtering done on your PC.

In a panel at a tech conference in Washington DC, Sherman let slip his hopes for “a filter on the end user's computer that would actually eliminate any benefit from encryption because if you want to hear [the downloaded music], you would need to decrypt it, and at that point the filter would work.

Realising that nobody would voluntarily install such software on their systems, Sherman goes on to propose adding the filtering to anti-virus software – something most Windows users rely on on the Big Bad Internet. If that isn't possible, he'd like the OS vendors to build it right in to the operating system itself – and let's face it, the companies behind desktop operating systems have a tendency to capitulate to the demands of Big Business: just look at Vista's DRM model.

Nothing Sherman said during the panel should be taken as an official stance by the RIAA, but it certainly shows the thought processes behind its leading force. To paraphrase Bill Gates, “A stool pigeon in every home, and Windows on every stool pigeon.

Should the RIAA et al keep their noses out of your PC, or is it a small price to pay for keeping the poor artists fed? Give us your opinion on Sherman's dreams over in the forums.

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noobarino 8th February 2008, 09:51 Quote
1 million to whoever shoots Cary Sherman
cyrilthefish 8th February 2008, 09:56 Quote
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or is it a small price to pay for keeping the poor artists fed?

The RIAA doesn't care about that, only leeching as much money as possible for themselves... take this for example:

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/05/riaa-sticks-writers
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THE RIAA has long held that its court actions against P2P pirates were all about protecting the creative work of musicians and song writers.

However its agenda became fairly obvious yesterday when the record labels within the RIAA all agreed with Yahoo, Apple and Napster to lower royalties to songwriters.

Its argument is that music studios have suffered much from the switch to traditional records to digital media and they need the extra money. It should be songwriters who pay for the expensive court cases and the losses sustained.

The debate is about the "mechanical royalty", which are payments made for copies of sound recordings and music.

The RIAA wants the Copyright Royalty Board to reduce the rate to eight per cent of wholesale revenue. Currently the cash to be split between publisher and songwriter is about nine cents per song, according to the Hollywood Reporter. µ
Woodstock 8th February 2008, 10:01 Quote
and yet another reason to love linux
yakyb 8th February 2008, 10:12 Quote
i would rather run without AV to be honest

this guy has no clue tho why would i need a decoder on an MP3 they could only force the encoder on Legit stuff which they shouldnt be checking for anyway all this could possible do would be to stop people transfering Legit music accross PCs which would mean no playback in different rooms of the house the guy is a F@@@Tard
Cthippo 8th February 2008, 10:32 Quote
Thanks, I needed a reminder as to why I switched to linux!

Seriously, why shoudl AV manufacturers, or for that matter OS manufacturers piss off their customer base to pander to an industry that creates no revenue for them?

Whatever this guy is smoking, I want some.
Woodstock 8th February 2008, 10:46 Quote
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Originally Posted by Cthippo
Whatever this guy is smoking, I want some.

Id rather not sound like a d**k
iwog 8th February 2008, 10:57 Quote
Yeah at that point i'd just install linux. There'd be a distro out there that wouldn't have any filtering.

Also how would the software be able to tell the difference between personal rips and stuff distributed over the internet without adding a load of bloat to the file structure or inventing a whole new codec that no one would use.
Woodstock 8th February 2008, 11:08 Quote
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Originally Posted by iwog
Yeah at that point i'd just install linux. There'd be a distro out there that wouldn't have any filtering.

i honestly doubt any of them will have it, at least none of the ones with a true open source spirit
LeMaltor 8th February 2008, 11:20 Quote
You wouldn't have to install Linux, in 5 mins it would be circumvented by the hackers and we can all live happily ever after
mmorgue 8th February 2008, 11:29 Quote
Well, if it goes thru, then it sets a horrific precident and is yet another piece of personal freedom and liberty eroded away.
Xtrafresh 8th February 2008, 11:52 Quote
Someone should make a timeline of all RIAA's stupid ideas, miserable failures, lost cases and outright insults to both musicians and listeners.

Stuff like this is important to document, so we can teach our kids in school to learn from past mistakes.;)
alextwo 8th February 2008, 11:57 Quote
This just wouldn't work. It would require a new platform of bit torrent clients with this encryption built in. Current technology already circumvents this problem so why would people move to this crippled version of bit torrent. The RIAA really are idiots.
Woodstock 8th February 2008, 12:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by Xtrafresh
Someone should make a timeline of all RIAA's stupid ideas, miserable failures, lost cases and outright insults to both musicians and listeners.

Stuff like this is important to document, so we can teach our kids in school to learn from past mistakes.;)

would be depressing to write wouldnt it
samkiller42 8th February 2008, 13:12 Quote
In some respects, this sounds a bit like spyware (or equivilent of)

Sam
naokaji 8th February 2008, 13:20 Quote
the riaa once again proofed that there are indeed humans that are less intelligent than a stone, now they just need to answer why they hire them in masses.
Mankz 8th February 2008, 13:22 Quote
Great. So now I have NO PRIVACY WHAT-SO-EVER!. Thanks.
chrisb2e9 8th February 2008, 14:33 Quote
sure sure, force this into the next os from Microsoft. just gives me another reason to goto a different OS or keep using my old one.
chicorasia 8th February 2008, 14:41 Quote
Oh, I see. If the RIAA has it its way, antivirus/antispyware software would become spyware itself!

What's next? Will they send an agent to every home and office to look over your shoulder, to make sure you are listening only to RIAA-approved-proprietary-encrypted-file-format on RIAA-approved hardware and software?
liratheal 8th February 2008, 14:41 Quote
Agreeing with everyone else that's said it - If it crops up in Windows, I can see a mass migration to Linux. I'm not interested in spyware when it's free, let alone paying a company to give it me.

Besides, wouldn't it be easier to hook a linux box to your sound equipment and do your illegal on that, using a completely clean Windows/Mac environment with only legal music?

Bunch of colossal morons.
naokaji 8th February 2008, 15:05 Quote
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Originally Posted by chicorasia
What's next? Will they send an agent to every home and office to look over your shoulder, to make sure you are listening only to RIAA-approved-proprietary-encrypted-file-format on RIAA-approved hardware and software?

lol... imagine you click on play in whatever media player your using, then a message pops up that reads:
"please wait until one of our hitmans has time to check your proof of purchase and enters the code so you can listen to your legally purchased music, failure to comply with this notice will result in immediate assasination (immediate as in after taking you to court and squeezing millions out of you). Thank you for using this great service provided by Hired Goons Ltd on behalf of the Riaa, please send any thank you letters (feel free to include any spare cash, candy and your soul) directly to Riaa World Domination Inc. located at 666 Hell."
E.E.L. Ambiense 8th February 2008, 15:29 Quote
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RIAA boss Cary Sherman would like to see anti-virus programs extended to scan for and prevent access to illicitly downloaded copyright materials on your PCs.

...and I would like all women I find attractive to sleep with me.

The point is, we all can't get what we want.
ssj12 8th February 2008, 16:29 Quote
cant the RIAA just close down already.
HandMadeAndroid 8th February 2008, 16:30 Quote
I don't know why they make such a fuss, we used to hand out cassettes like there was no tomorrow. They are dinosaurs, still clinging onto old patterns, when we are all waving at them from 10000yrs in the future.
TGImages 8th February 2008, 16:54 Quote
I'm all for the RIAA having extra code running on my machine.... but only if I can charge them for CPU time. :)

BTW, I just decided my rate for CPU time is $10,000 per cycle.... oh, and I have a vendor agreement policy on my machine. If you want your code to run on it you have to agree to my terms just like I have to agree to yours.
GingerTouch 8th February 2008, 17:19 Quote
The RIAA is thinking to small. I envision inter-cranial implants at birth to censor / filter all sound and sight. Really what is next?
IanW 8th February 2008, 18:38 Quote
<Charlie Chan>
Ancient proverb say "Once avalanche has begun, too late for mountain to vote!"
</Charlie Chan>
Cupboard 8th February 2008, 19:16 Quote
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Originally Posted by 91
Great. So now I have NO PRIVACY WHAT-SO-EVER!. Thanks.

Not a huge change there then

If all that people told us about our privacy (or lack of) as true, the world would not be like it is.

On the other hand, the thought of the RIAA doing this is both scary and a bit funny - if they are stupid enough to do this, it will be the kick start that Linux needs to really get in to the mass market.
Techno-Dann 8th February 2008, 20:25 Quote
You know, there's an easy way to destroy the effectiveness of this thing:

Distributed Denial of Service.

There's no way that they'll put a list of every single song on your system, so there must be some form of central database. Also, the software will report "infractions" back to the mothership RIAA, so that's another point of weakness. Just blast the infraction system with millions of junk "infractions" until it goes catatonic.
Constructacon 8th February 2008, 22:47 Quote
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Originally Posted by Techno-Dann
You know, there's an easy way to destroy the effectiveness of this thing:

Distributed Denial of Service.

There's no way that they'll put a list of every single song on your system, so there must be some form of central database. Also, the software will report "infractions" back to the mothership RIAA, so that's another point of weakness. Just blast the infraction system with millions of junk "infractions" until it goes catatonic.
LOL:
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"IP 123.456.789.10 is listening to an unauthorized copy of "F#%k off and die RIAA!!!111oneoneeleven"
Wouldn't this actually be legal as they are expecting your computer to send them messages? Maybe this could be included in Folding At Home or SETI At Home to ramp things up.
Goos!e 8th February 2008, 23:16 Quote
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Should the RIAA et al keep their noses out of your PC, or is it a small price to pay for keeping the poor artists fed?

sorry... anyone asking such a question.... should be.... nevermind....

Might be me.. but what happend to free will n so on? what'll be next? we'll all get these ankle-braceletts @ birth?

Besides: There are many many many freeware A/V's out there...doubt they could "persuade" all of em to fold in

and Geezus F'ing christ when will this pointless,timewasting debate end? Even if DL'ing would be punishable by Gas/Letha linjection or Old Sparky.... it will NEVER STOP... what are they gonna filter anyway? the filename? yeah right... as if noone has downloaded a porn instead of the newest flic off of KazzaaLimewirebearsharebittorrentemuleandgodknowswhateverelse!
DOH!
and again! there are these 1337 G33KS out there that will just go and change/modify some opensource whatever .. and.. voila.. 'ere we go again.. dunno why i am writing this .. coz.. as i mentioned above.. pointless

What although DOES!!!! concern me is... what IF i am a honest law obeying person? As far as i understand their "wishes".. they want to force the owner of PC to have a trojan installed... (silent cry for a new I-Love-You from my side here)
As you sow, so you shall reap.

not to mention the securityholes a M$ O/S will ADDITIONALLY have....geez....why not also stream all Data about opend images to the Old Folks Home Association.. you could be infringing on Mrs. Grandma "intellectual copyright" (if that is what its called) of her KNITTING PATTERNS! FFS!

I wonder..... do people actually BECOME that stupid.. or is it somekind of congenital defect?
C-Sniper 9th February 2008, 01:21 Quote
yay for open source and Linux! Why doesn't the RIAA just roll over and die already? Besides if someone can get a movie of their president (the RIAA pres.) while he is singing happy birthday, we could open a lawsuit against him for copyright. Then Sue his ass to kingdom come and everyone else in the firm.
DXR_13KE 9th February 2008, 12:21 Quote
you know what? i want this to happen, if this happens and the big AV houses and MS and apple put this spyware into their software they will be out of money soon and give a GIGANTIC boost to linux :D
StevieC 9th February 2008, 19:49 Quote
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Originally Posted by TGImages
I'm all for the RIAA having extra code running on my machine.... but only if I can charge them for CPU time. :)

BTW, I just decided my rate for CPU time is $10,000 per cycle.... oh, and I have a vendor agreement policy on my machine. If you want your code to run on it you have to agree to my terms just like I have to agree to yours.

BRILLIANT. Now just make sure your terms explicitly ban using code run on your machine for the purposes the RIAA wants to run it for (namely crippling your hardware) so that the instant they sign it and try to run their malware on your machine you can sue THEM for breach of terms! You've beat them at their own game, and what's even MORE miraculous, you've beat them at their own game WITHOUT STOOPING EVEN HALF AS LOW AS THEM! i LOVE it!
Dracyr 9th February 2008, 23:10 Quote
why cant everyone do a distributed denial of service attack at them untill they realise how f%"cked up they are.
airchie 10th February 2008, 02:38 Quote
Techno, that DDOS attack idea is genius!!

Why doesn't someone write a little opensource app called p2tp.exe (Power to the People) that anyone can run to donate their extra bandwidth to blasting idiots off the internet.

Obviously this would create a lot of power to the person with control of exactly where to target attacks.
So maybe some sort of communal voting system could be devised?
Or create several options for targets and you can just tick in the software which companies you dislike and add to the might of the rest of the world.

Really would be an excellent example of democracy in action! :)
OleJ 10th February 2008, 22:26 Quote
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Originally Posted by airchie

So maybe some sort of communal voting system could be devised?
LOL
Sounds like Survivor of the Internet "Sorry your site has been voted off the island due to incredible public stupidity" :D
wuyanxu 10th February 2008, 22:40 Quote
this is like installing CCTV's to cover every inch of your home. even if the chinese government tried to do that, riot would brake out.

so would one expect RIAA to succeed? no chance.
airchie 11th February 2008, 00:57 Quote
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Originally Posted by OleJ
LOL
Sounds like Survivor of the Internet "Sorry your site has been voted off the island due to incredible public stupidity" :D
LMAO!
or "You are the weakest link, goodbye!" :D

The beauty is, the only ones likely to vote are the types of people that would linger on the likes of this forum etc. :)
Xtrafresh 11th February 2008, 01:19 Quote
the weakest link
Whalemeister 11th February 2008, 11:51 Quote
Well I've said it before and I'll say it again;

F**K THE RIAA!!! THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE B**L LICKERS!!!
completemadness 11th February 2008, 20:30 Quote
There still no CSS decoder for linux

How do they expect to enfore this? i bet they wont even realise that linux exists - cos you know, everyone only uses windows .....
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