If you haven't installed Vista yet, perhaps you'd like to try Windows 7 instead?

If you haven't installed Vista yet, perhaps you'd like to try Windows 7 instead?

The latest build of the next version of Windows, currently labouring under the awkward title of Windows 7 Milestone 1 Build 6.1.6519.1, seems to be available for select people to trial if a post to Neowin's forums is to be believed.

A member going by the handle kenipnet posted a message detailing his experiences with this newest build of the next-gen OS to the Windows Beta Discussion section of Neowin's forums. The user started with the rather unpromising revelation that a he had to supply a SATA driver before the installer would continue, but perhaps that's to be expected on such an early release – drivers are unlikely to be bundled much before the RC stage.

After getting the install to run on his laptop, the poster then ran into problems with no driver for his graphics card – so no Aero Version 2 to stare at. Nevertheless, he was able to declare the GUI as being “very much like Vista” but with the gadget sidebar being ditched in favour of direct integration into the Explorer shell. He also describes a new gadget that plugs into Windows Media Center and “displays now playing information from the WMC.

Support for XAML fonts has made it into Windows 7, it would seem, although under the heading “Composite Fonts”. A feedback tool included in the build claims that Microsoft is looking to “fine tune this release” with the changes from Vista being compared as similar to the changes from Windows 2000 to Windows XP. The tool also highlights some of the fascinating new features, including improved tools for connecting to networks, a Live Account which carries your IE settings and favourites over to other computers and, best of all, improved versions of Calc, Paint, and Wordpad.

Strangely, the post was deleted by kenipnet after going to all the effort of trialling the software: thankfully, a cached version lives on courtesy of another forum member.

Anyone out there know anything about this build, or even has a copy that they're trying out? Or do you think it's all just lies and bluffs? Give us a shout over in the forums.
Quote HourBeforeDawn 23rd January 2008, 08:13
So wait he has a build of Windows Vienna? ehh looks like a lot of people think its fake and Im leaning towards it being fake myself but I will hold my final thoughts after I look into this more.

lol well at least its a good fake but it looks nothing more then a skin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elFWS0G_srs&eurl=http://thedailytech.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/windows-7-videopics/
Quote iwog 23rd January 2008, 09:06
Dont people sign NDAs when they get to test really early version of major software? And if so he's in a world of s**t because M$ will find out. They have spies everywhere you know.
Quote Shielder 23rd January 2008, 09:13
There is also this that indicates that MS may be moving Windows 7 up a year. So, anyone here want to buy it to be an alpha tester?

Andy
Quote HourBeforeDawn 23rd January 2008, 09:22
Well windows vista for me has been looked at nothing more but a stepping stone to the next windows OS, so I have been real hesitant to make the full switch to Vista, I only have one system running Vista for my dx10 games, the rest are XP and will probably remain that way until Windows 7 or Vienna or whatever the name ends up being comes out as thats expected to have a very long shelf life, twice that or more compared to XP but we will see. Also finally making the big push to 64bit OS only will be nice in the long run as well.
Quote roryok 23rd January 2008, 09:56
@Shielder

LOL, I read that wrong, for a second I thought Windows was bringing out a version of 7up!
Quote Clocked 23rd January 2008, 10:47
Vista the new ME then?
Quote impar 23rd January 2008, 11:46
Greetings!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clocked
Vista the new ME then?
Was still any doubt about that?
Quote r4tch3t 23rd January 2008, 11:55
I will be getting two copies of Vista 64bit, mainly to utilize the 4GB of RAM that I am i upgrading to, plus the DX10 applications. So I hope they wont come out with a new OS so soon, from what I have head a lot of people have had problems with Vista, but not as bad as ME, and I have had experience with ME. Any speculation on to new features of 7?
Quote Shielder 23rd January 2008, 12:05
Take a look at OS X and you'll have a good idea as to what "innovations" MS is going to include.
Quote r4tch3t 23rd January 2008, 12:09
I agree MS is prone to "copying" off of Apple and Linux. I don''t mind though, if Microsoft came out with a barebones OS just for games, no flashy graphics, just optimized for games I would be happy with that. I use Linux for everything except games anyway.
Quote Bauul 23rd January 2008, 12:17
Microsoft have been stealing ideas from other operating systems since Windows 95 (e.g. the right-click menu was stolen from Acorn's RISK OS), it's hardly new. I'm unsure whether Microsoft is going to push Windows 7 out like this, it could well end up being more of a SP for Vista.
Quote [USRF]Obiwan 23rd January 2008, 13:51
I like to think its true that everything is stolen from TOS

;)
Quote Firehed 23rd January 2008, 14:34
Quote:
Originally Posted by iwog
Dont people sign NDAs when they get to test really early version of major software? And if so he's in a world of s**t because M$ will find out. They have spies everywhere you know.
Yeah, but that doesn't stop them being broken. An NDA is really just a contract that holds very little legal water, after all.
Quote Dreaming 23rd January 2008, 14:51
Sounds (an awful) lot like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ifQvQCO7Y&feature=related
Quote GoodBytes 23rd January 2008, 15:25
For Vista, just make sure you have the latest BIOS version installed, and latest driver ready.
64-Bit Vista seams superior in stability and in bugs (less of them) then it's 32-bit. They are many bugs reported on the internet that I read, that I simply just cannot see in Vista 64-bit. From that conclusion, I must say that Microsoft seams to have have worked hard on the 64-bit and opt to make a 32-bit adaptation about at the last minute or so.

If you have devices that ack Vista or 64-bit Vista drivers, look in the OS driver list. Microsoft did their own from some products. For example, I have an HP Laserjet 1012 printer, and HO suggest to me to install a driver from an other HP printer, and I'll have the printer running in reduce function. (anything other then Notepad will result on the second page with "Invalid PCL personality" (or something like that) error printed on a blank page, and printing stopped. I was pissed, and started to look around, and I found in the Hardware Driver List, "LaserJet 1010 series (MS) driver". I installed them, and now my printer works like under WinXP! It's been several weeks now, and I print a lot of stuff, and I never had any problem, and all the features are there.

SO you may want to check that out too.

Other then that, and me never buying anything from HP again from now on, I am very happy with Vista, My games works just as good as under WinXP. Al thus benchmark test show contrary on some websites, it doesn't reflect reality. I compared several games from Orange Box to Crysis and The Witcher. Some games run 5-10 fps faster, and some run 1-2 fps slower, and I don't know if it just because the environment or how I was positioned changed anything. Sure I don't have Quad 30inch LCD's. I just have a 17inch CT that I run at 1600x1200@85Hz, with high or near high settings in games.

If you actually USED Windows Me, you will see that Windows Vista is far from it, and it IS far superior in all aspects over WinXP (other then using slightly more resources, and have a slower boot-up, but who actually shut-down their computer?! I just set it to deep sleep when I really don't need it, and I know I'm not going to use it soon)

Windows Me, (I was a user of it), used to constantly crash in the setup, and if you managed to run your computer for 24hours without explorer crashing, that was luck. Moreover, about anything you accessed was unpolished, and bugs right in your FACE! And sometimes for no reason, Widows Me lost your connected device and lost it's drivers. And you are sating that Windows Vista = Windows Me... pfff, download a copy of Windows Me, and you will take everything back and go on every single thread, and start apologizing, as you will see that Windows Me is soo bad that it begged for apocalypse.

As far as I know, Windows XP pre-SP, was closer to WinMe then anything else.

Back to subject,
As far as I see it, Windows 7 seams to be very close to a Vista SP2 then anything. Of course time will tell, but that is how I see it.
Windows Vista is finally started to be adapted, and many industries just wait for SP1 before mass-spreading the OS to all their computers. If you say that many companies require major system update to have Windows Vista, that is a lie. For one they can install Windows Basic which is a nice on old hardware, and secondly you sure won't need it.

What Microsoft fails to see is that updating Windows is not like updating a peace of software. It takes A LOT of time. And Vista update is WAAAAYY better then Windows XP update edition, but still is far from perfection (so yes, I discourage Windows Vista update, but it is acceptable on a newly installed WinXP machine, with a clean registry).
Quote sui_winbolo 23rd January 2008, 18:20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shielder
Take a look at OS X and you'll have a good idea as to what "innovations" MS is going to include.

Simpsons did it!! :)

I think Vista works great. Seems very stable to me and I know quite a bit of people that are running Vista on their laptops without problems.

I really doubt Vista is just going to get thrown aside. ME never really worked. Vista works.

But who knows for sure! I'm just glad I'm a student so I can get free vista. :p
Quote rhuitron 23rd January 2008, 19:48
@Sheilder

If that link you gave us contains a real photo of what is the new windows.
I am going to be really depressed.

Because that screen shot looks a lot like a mac desktop.

And I hate mac. With a passion.
Quote Seth 23rd January 2008, 20:30
I hope this os fails just as bad as vista.
Quote knowyourenemy 23rd January 2008, 20:56
Why?
Quote GoodBytes 23rd January 2008, 21:26
Because Seth doesn't know Vista (and later on WIndows 7), so he feels intellectually inferior. :P

@rhuitron
Quote:

You use an Apple??
Go play in traffic.
LOL!
Quote Vash-HT 23rd January 2008, 23:15
Moved to Vista 64 to use 4Gb as well, but I still have XP 32bit on my 2nd hard drive. Since installing Vista I haven't gone back to use XP for anything, I simply do not have any problems in Vista. Comparing ME to Vista is pretty ridiculous, Vista is tanking more on mainstream popularity rather than actually sucking.
Quote completemadness 24th January 2008, 01:05
Quote:
Originally Posted by sui_winbolo
I really doubt Vista is just going to get thrown aside. ME never really worked. Vista works.
ME allways worked for me, Ok, it was unstable, bloated and slow, but other then that it was actually perfectly usable to me

I dont see a difference between that and Vista
Quote GoodBytes 24th January 2008, 05:06
@completemadness, you probably didn't even see the difference in 2000 or XP. (if you ever had those OS's)
Not to insult of offend you in any way, you are probably a type of user that mostly surf the web, and at most use office related software.

If you are doing online banking, and doing anything that contains sensitive data, and the latest OS is must for you. As security issues are solved, and Microsoft drops support for their older OS's after some time. Now I am not saying that having the latest OS will make you safe at 100%, you also need a router, anti-virus, a descent firewall (to block most attacks) [Windows Vista one is pretty impressive, compared the one from XP] and anti-spyware (I still don't know about Windows Defender...I haven't got a bunch of spywares to perform test to see which one seams to grab the most). But having a latest and fully update OS plays a great part in your system security.
Quote completemadness 24th January 2008, 05:37
I saw a massive difference in XP, i never really used 2000 before XP (i have used it since, but found it inferior to XP so didnt stick with it for that long)

XP is much improved over 98/ME, its the most stable OS so far IMO, its easy to use, everything is at your fingertips (well compared to any other windows OS)
The only downside was, it used a bit more memory (512mb was the min vs 256mb (real world figures here)) and had problems with some older programs (only a few app's didnt work for me)

XP still recieves security updates, and will atleast until windows7 comes out

I see no reason to buy vista, its a turd, and the only nice thing about it is the searchable start menu, and drivers being in userspace, every other feature is a waste of time, and pointless, at uni when im forced to use vista, i turn most of the "vista" stuff off because its just plain bloat
Quote Jebus.exe 24th January 2008, 07:37
They have to milk vista for the next seven years before we are likely to see win7... :D
Quote MilkMan5 24th January 2008, 10:24
Hhhmmmmm - not sure about this one.
Quote flacowboy 27th January 2008, 13:30
why do so many people say vista failed when micosoft posted it biggest profit in years and has soldmore copys if vista then xp at the same amout of relese time i just think people hate change
Quote genesisofthesith 27th January 2008, 14:54
Quote:
Originally Posted by flacowboy
why do so many people say vista failed when micosoft posted it biggest profit in years and has soldmore copys if vista then xp at the same amout of relese time i just think people hate change

But when you consider the ammount of computers around now to xp's launch the market penetration is less. This will level out over time as new retail pc's ship with vista, but for those who upgrade their os theres far less reason to go to vista over xp than it was to xp over 98/me.
Quote G0RD0N FAN 27th January 2008, 17:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clocked
Vista the new ME then?

I thought the same thing.;)
Quote HourBeforeDawn 27th January 2008, 19:17
Quote:
Originally Posted by flacowboy
why do so many people say vista failed when micosoft posted it biggest profit in years and has soldmore copys if vista then xp at the same amout of relese time i just think people hate change

personally I think it was the best launched OS Microsoft has ever had far less issues on launch the when XP launched thats for sure.
Quote Cthippo 28th January 2008, 05:33
I use ME on a number of my machines and find it to be stable as a rock. I can't remember the last time I had a freeze / crash on ME. I never developed a taste for XP and Vista turned me off so much I went to linux.

The reason for the comparisons between vista and ME is that both were basically re-skinning of an existing OS with some new features that ended up causing more problems than they solved.

I think vista will continue to be popular, but history may well record that it was the OS that began the downfall of MS. Sure, lots of people like it, but never before have I hard so many people citing a new OS (vista) as being the reason they switched to an alternative. Vista has driven a lot of people to both linux and to a lesser extent macs, and I anticipate that trend will continue.
Quote HourBeforeDawn 28th January 2008, 05:38
^^^ see that is something I just dont understand, XP on launch was far worse then Vista on its launch but my guess is they let XP stay on the playing field to long, mush longer then previous OSes and that got people nice and comfy and really set in their ways so when Vista came out that scared the hell out of them and so they really didint like the idea of leaving their comfort zone and complained more so then they really needed to.
Quote completemadness 28th January 2008, 09:56
I don't think anyone disagrees XP was a bit crappy when it launched, But that was mostly compatibility problems, lots of programs wouldn't run and stuff - other then that, it wasn't that bad (ofc that's a really bad thing) But SP1 came out, fixed those problems and it was the most stable/reliable MS OS to date

Ever wonder why everyone said "wait for vista SP1" - trouble is, Vista SP1 is basically an accumulation of patches, and doesn't fix the problems with Vista itself
Quote Shielder 29th January 2008, 09:26
Look here for the lowdown on Windows 7.

Looks like it will be 2011 before it sees the light of day...

Andy
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