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IFPI says ISPs should police users

IFPI says ISPs should police users

The IFPI seem to want to have as many people hating them as their American brethren.

The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry – the RIAA for the rest of the world – wants European ISPs to police their users in order to stem the growing traffic in ‘infringing materials’.

The IFPI say that, contrary to a recent statement from ISP PlusNet disavowing responsibility for monitoring what individual customers do with their ‘net connection, ISPs must take action against file sharers whether or not they have received complaints and court orders.

According to the IFPI, their requests are simple: ISPs should block peer-to-peer protocols at the core routers, prevent users from accessing ‘illegal’ sites that dare to share links to content which may infringe precious copyright, and constantly monitor traffic for infringing content. Yes, that was ‘constantly monitor’. As in: monitor all traffic from all users all the time, just in case someone might be sharing a song by the Purple Moron.

The organisation has gone straight to the top to try and get their way, submitting an official set of recommendations to the European Parliament. The Parliament has the power to turn said recommendations into a Europe-wide law forcing ISPs to do whatever the IFPI wants.

For filtering ‘infringing’ content, the IFPI would like ISPs to apply acoustic fingerprinting technology to all music data transferred through their service. Quite who funds the not-inconsiderable amount of processing power this would take is, unsurprisingly, not mentioned in the documentation it provided. It has made clear, however, that such filtering should apply to data transferred through any protocol: P2P, FTP, HTTP, SMTP, you name it.

The IFPI also wants a blanket ban on what it describes as P2P services “that are known to be predominantly infringing and that have refused to implement steps to prevent infringement.” In other words: you can kiss goodbye to BitTorrent, despite it being one of the most interesting new open-source technologies in recent years.

The final step is a complete severing of access to websites the IFPI describe as “infringing”, being “in rogue jurisdictions”, or that simply “refuse to cooperate” with our friendly mediaführers. The Pirate Bay gets a special mention, being described in clipped tones as a “an infamous infringing service located in Sweden”.

At least they know where they are, even if they can’t get them to stop.

The worrying part is that the German news site heise.de is reporting that the IFPI already have political support in the European Parliament for their plans. The European branch of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, however, is already preparing to fight for our rights, calling the proposals a “an ill-considered and damaging quick fix.

Do you agree with PlusNet and think that ISPs such just provide an Internet connection and then keep their noses out, or do you think that the IFPI may have a point? Let us know your thoughts via the forums.

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Glider 27th December 2007, 11:52 Quote
Note to IFPI: P2P isn't illegal, and lots of quality software gets spread by P2P (look at Linux distros)...

Blocking all P2P would ruin an enormous community.
naokaji 27th December 2007, 13:17 Quote
the IFPI can go burn in hell... we dont want them and we dont need them....


besides...

all that copying that does happen is not all so evil as they try to make it sound...

take ms office for example, it costs a lot, some people copy it because of that, does ms loose money? not a lot, why? because the same people would just openoffice if they coudnt copy ms office anymore.
they always forget to subtract the number of people that would use readily avalaible freeware if they coudnt so easily copy the paid stuff.

on top of that, there is another issue, the one that they are just abusing the filesharers as an excuse to restrict and limit everyones rights.
i mean seriously, we've seen in burma what happens if the isp's are forced to police what everyone does on the internet...

actually.. maybe it would be best to put all IFPI employes in a plane and throw them out over burma... because they seem to admire the *cough* government*cough* there.
mikeuk2004 27th December 2007, 13:24 Quote
Thats their answer is it?? Ban all P2P which legit companies use to distribute files? Why stop there, why not ban the internet.

The RIAA an american organisation aint it??? I like how they want this to happen in europe because they would not get this to happen at all in america.

why not get the telephone companies to monitor our phone calls too incase I play a mp3 over the phone and my friend recordeds it at the other end with a microphone.
xion 27th December 2007, 13:37 Quote
BB: "This is Big Brother; Would Xion please come to the diary room."

Xion: "Hello BB, is it time for me to take my emotional suppression pills now?"

BB: "Xion, at 02:13am you were observed to be humming a tune that seemed to resemble a copyright protected artwork, while there was no one else around, your voice was being transmitted on teamspeak while playing Counterstrike. From this we can state that you willfully allowed the aforementiond work to be freely distributed across the internet with the intent of others listening. After careful consideration we can conclude that your activities constitute piracy. BB takes law breaking very seriously, and requires vast sums of mony to run the servers that listen for copyright protected artwork, you will therefore be found liable, or made to walk the plank"

[/dumb_mode]
yodasarmpit 27th December 2007, 13:39 Quote
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The IFPI says that ISPs should take responsiblity for file sharing across their networks
That's a bit like saying road builders should take responsibilty for the driving styles of road users.
The end user should be held responsible, not the facilitator .
Gunsmith 27th December 2007, 13:39 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by xion
BB: "This is Big Brother; Would Xion please come to the diary room."

Xion: "Hello BB, is it time for me to take my emotional suppression pills now?"

BB: "Xion, at 02:13am you were observed to be humming a tune that seemed to resemble a copyright protected artwork, while there was no one else around, your voice was being transmitted on teamspeak while playing Counterstrike. From this we can state that you willfully allowed the aforementiond work to be freely distributed across the internet with the intent of others listening. After careful consideration we can conclude that your activities constitute piracy. BB takes law breaking very seriously, and requires vast sums of mony to run the servers that listen for copyright protected artwork, you will therefore be found liable, or made to walk the plank"

[/dumb_mode]

genius :D
Delphium 27th December 2007, 13:54 Quote
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Originally Posted by Glider

Blocking all P2P would ruin an enormous community.


Another would be Hamachi p2p vpn software, with a huge comunity of gamers, yet another legit use of p2p!!


LOL @ xion... classic ;)
Paradigm Shifter 27th December 2007, 14:11 Quote
xion... that was funny. Scary but funny. :D

The lack of grip on reality that the IFPI (RIAA etc) show is truly astounding. But then again, I very much doubt they care about the collateral damage they will cause if it gets them just the tiniest fraction of what they want. They'd happily kill off linux (if they could) or anything else out there that wasn't DRM'd up to the proverbial eyeballs.
Redbeaver 27th December 2007, 14:16 Quote
i dont get the Xion joke :/

but yeah, i say ISP should respect the privacy of its customer. stay away from our data! keep ur nose out or we'll gladly drill a 3rd hole in it...
DXR_13KE 27th December 2007, 15:08 Quote
they do this = i reduce my internet subscription making it cheaper and slower because i wont be downloading anything soon, block every add on every site on the internet (except BT), never buy any type of media from these companies and tell people that these guys make crap media...... buy all my stuff directly from artists (show my middle finger to those that are under the IFPI rule) and idie games makers, hear my music from the radio and from tv or not even hear music until the IFPI are dead.

now i want to see IFPI survive this if everyone does this...... really, they do this and they are dead in very few time..... these idiots could be profiting millions of dollars if they evolved....

i wish someone would email them this: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/72
DougEdey 27th December 2007, 15:41 Quote
They can go suck my chocolate salty balls
scrumble 27th December 2007, 16:00 Quote
"Blocking all P2P would ruin an enormous community."

Not to mention an infringement of my human rights, as would be monitoring what I do on the internet.
Glider 27th December 2007, 16:02 Quote
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Originally Posted by scrumble
... as would be monitoring what I do on the internet.
I don't agree with this... The internet is a public place... Rules apply to public places...
warlord2000ad 27th December 2007, 17:48 Quote
End users should be responsible, the fact its practically impossible to tell who used the PC is obviously the problem. These are like sledgehammer approaches. Currently int he UK at least the Bill payer for the Internet is responsible, even if they never use it. At the rate its going they will start building spyware to monitor us.
Freedom 27th December 2007, 17:58 Quote
I am not worried. Some of these ISP are big companies who will be sponsoring certain Mps and Emps(or whatever there called). Just implement this would cost them millions there noway the isp would not allow this to go though as it will cost them money and lose them customers. Coupled with the face that many companies use P2P to distro there software it would crush them as well so they wont want it to go though either.
C-Sniper 27th December 2007, 18:01 Quote
Hopefully those kids who do shootouts at school will realize that the best place to do them now is at places like the RIAA,MPAA,or IFPI
[USRF]Obiwan 27th December 2007, 19:11 Quote
whats so special about p2p anyway. p2p this, p2p that. p2p is so 2005.
chrisb2e9 27th December 2007, 19:34 Quote
maybe we should ban cars at the same time. that would prevent people from breaking the speed limit.
Woodstock 27th December 2007, 19:46 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by DougEdey
They can go suck my chocolate salty balls
naokaji 27th December 2007, 20:26 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by C-Sniper
Hopefully those kids who do shootouts at school will realize that the best place to do them now is at places like the RIAA,MPAA,or IFPI

banning schools would solve that problem:D
The cheapskate 27th December 2007, 21:00 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by DougEdey
They can go suck my chocolate salty balls

+2
OleJ 27th December 2007, 21:46 Quote
Meh! Spend XXX billion euro on monitoring and everybody just switches to encrypted p2p.

IFPI, RIAA and the likes are as said using a "sledgehammer aproach". It will cost ISPs billions and billions but will not make the slightest dent in p2p activity after just a few months.

Someone really needs to take IFPI and Co. to school. It's sad when a bunch of old crippled and angry men have the power to cripple everybody else because they are lost in their ways.

Sad sad sad.

I would gladly work for IFPI and RIAA as an advisor so they would know how to NOT waste their and everybody elses time. Anything is better than the wreckless lawsuits and lobbying.

Poor old fools. Lost in the stone age of technology.
Kipman725 27th December 2007, 22:31 Quote
hmm if it ever got rearly bad we could just back to using bbs systems as they dont need an ISP :)
DXR_13KE 27th December 2007, 22:45 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisb2e9
maybe we should ban cars at the same time. that would prevent people from breaking the speed limit.

a better analogy would be to ban roads....
TomH 27th December 2007, 23:36 Quote
The only difference between now and before, is the Internet appears to be police-able. Even at 21, I can remember taping songs off of the radio. Taping films off of the TV. Sure, my old man had paid the TV license, but that didn't make it legal.

I shouldn't worry. I say keep it up - what're they going to do, put us all in jail? Ohh laugh it up. It's a fantastic candidate for anarchy, as we've already seen.

Where do these 'alliances' get their money from? From record/movie sales! What we have here is nothing more than the cries of an industry seeing itself sink into financial oblivion, because the greedy *******s at the top don't know why they're there in the first place. This stinks of desperation. Nothing more.

We all know that they can't see passed their own noses; we're all laughing.

Bottom line is, there is always going to be piracy. But until they realise that the future is in digital distribution, with a wide variety of choice and quality, then piracy will continue to rise, not fall.

A very simple question: When was the last time you 'stole' a game available on Steam? It's just too simple to get what you want, and where you want it, with little-to-no wait. It's not perfect, but it is the future. Competition will only see that improve! ;)
Gunsmith 28th December 2007, 00:02 Quote
i sleep easy tonight knowing that the heads of the RIAA, the MPAA & IFPA will all die before me.
outlawaol 28th December 2007, 07:43 Quote
Media saturated world wants $ for media... saturated world is dealing with media....

Its like getting cable, then complaining to the provider that you are getting commercials, then demanding that they remove the commercials cause your paying for it.

Stupid crap I tell....
scrumble 28th December 2007, 10:15 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glider
I don't agree with this... The internet is a public place... Rules apply to public places...

Under UK law it is illegal to intercept and listen to transmissions not intended for you, which is why it is illegal to listen in on other peoples mobile phone signals, in fact its also illegal to listen in on Police radio transmissions, and communications between pilots and Air Traffic Control. Although no one bothers to enforce it.

The same should apply to the internet.
pendragon 29th December 2007, 03:26 Quote
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunsmith
i sleep easy tonight knowing that the heads of the RIAA, the MPAA & IFPA will all die before me.

hahaha! ;) That's awesome.
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