A new approach to old functions may prove more efficient in Mozilla's Prism.

A new approach to old functions may prove more efficient in Mozilla's Prism.

Mozilla, the company behind popular programs Firefox and Thunderbird, as well as other creative software is at it again. This time its research arm, Mozilla Labs, has renamed and mainstreamed its effort called Prism.

The basic idea of Prism is that it’s a “distraction free browser” – essentially, it strips away the entire UI of a browser and leaves the user with only the page they are using. How Prism differs from other DFB efforts, such as Adobe’s AIR project or Microsoft’s Silverlight is that Prism isn’t a proprietary platform. It conforms to all of the current standards in web protocol and simply integrates the webpage into the desktop.

Prism offers many benefits over a standard browser. One of the largest advantages is that web apps are all separate from one another. This means that if one application locks up or crashes, others aren’t affected. Another guideline for the project is a UI that is as minimal as possible. While most browsers have a UI shrink feature (usually assigned to F11), the backend of the browser remains the same. All that happens is the web content is maximized to take up the full screen. Prism is based on the WYSIWYG principle – there are no hidden processes or features going on in the background.

The attraction becomes evident when you think about companies or organizations who work mainly through web-based processes. Your work email would be one instance, and everything you do within that instance is contained. A "live meeting," possibly with a chat interface or whiteboard function, is another instance. A webFTP that allows you to upload your data to the company servers would be yet another, and if any one of these instances is to fail the others would continue unaffected. Additionally, if a link is clicked in any instance, it will open in your default browser as a standard page and allow you to bookmark it or manipulate it just like any other page.

Each instance has its own location in the dock or toolbar. This location can then display its own notifications – your work email has its own icon that will prompt a notification bubble upon new mail, and a web meeting instance has a separate icon that will prompt a notification upon a received message, or when you are addressed directly.

While this program applies to a niche market, it’s a market that is growing rapidly as organizations rely more heavily on the web to conduct live meetings and other specific functions.

Have thoughts about this new approach to browsing? Share them in the forums.
Quote will. 1st November 2007, 15:08
Sounds cool. Now why can't Microsoft do this:
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It conforms to all of the current standards in web protocol
Quote Bluephoenix 1st November 2007, 15:25
but.... but... what about my extensions!!!!!! :'(


ok drama over.

I think this is a great tool for Presentations that involve the web, but for general use nothing beats firefox and its extensibility
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Originally Posted by will.
Sounds cool. Now why can't Microsoft do this:
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Originally Posted by the article
It conforms to all of the current standards in web protocol

agreed, though IE7 has come a long way from 6, it isn't there yet
Quote Anakha 1st November 2007, 15:36
I would say that MS has had this for a LONG time (Since IE5.5), in the form of HTAs. That doesn't mean I prefer HTAs over Prism, however. I've been using Prism for a couple of weeks now (It's great for GMail), and have had no problems with it so far.
Quote Jamie 1st November 2007, 15:41
Doesn't seem to work on my Mac :/
Quote BioSniper 1st November 2007, 15:45
I've given it a go and I still don't quite understand the point of it all when a regular browser works just fine.
I guess it really isn't aimed at the home user anyway but it doesn't even appear to have tabs so its kinda weird, it just means having loads of instances of the app open surely?
Quote will. 1st November 2007, 15:48
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Originally Posted by Bluephoenix
but.... but... what about my extensions!!!!!! :'(


ok drama over.

I think this is a great tool for Presentations that involve the web, but for general use nothing beats firefox and its extensibility



agreed, though IE7 has come a long way from 6, it isn't there yet

Actually, I had the new outlook in my mind when writing that. Microsoft made the clever decision to use the word rendering engine to display html emails. Lazy b******'s
Quote Firehed 1st November 2007, 16:05
Okay, after reading the summary, I'm still not really sure how this is different from disabling tabs and using the F11 mode. Sounds very 2002-ish.
Quote DeX 1st November 2007, 16:38
There's more info (including screenshots) here: http://labs.mozilla.com/2007/10/prism/

But as far as I can make out, all it is is a separate Firefox window with no buttons or menus for each individual website that you happen to use often. How is this different to an IE6 window with menus and toolbars disabled?
Quote TheEclypse 1st November 2007, 16:53
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Originally Posted by Jamie
Doesn't seem to work on my Mac :/

Running Leopard? :p
Quote The Chugnut 1st November 2007, 17:01
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Originally Posted by TheEclypse
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Originally Posted by Jamie
Doesn't seem to work on my Mac :/

Running Leopard? :p

:O
Drama!
Quote GoodBytes 1st November 2007, 17:20
You can just do F11 in Firefox and you get the same thing... or you can simply remove all the bars....I don't get it...
Beside there is no address bar... I don't want to make scripts to make it go on every web site I want...

This is a joke...
Quote Anakha 1st November 2007, 19:20
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Originally Posted by GoodBytes
You can just do F11 in Firefox and you get the same thing... or you can simply remove all the bars....I don't get it...
Beside there is no address bar... I don't want to make scripts to make it go on every web site I want...

This is a joke...
It's not meant as a web browser. It's meant as an "Application shell" that happens to use web technology.

For instance, I use it to run GMail as a "Desktop" application. You could do the same with Google Docs/Maps.

It's ALSO meant for running, say, corporate intranets, where you don't want/need extra toolbars/plugins/addons/extensions messing around with the security of the data internally (The last thing you want is the Google Toolbar submitting your private intranet links to Google for PageRank analysis).

This would be great for a POS system, say, or a library computer, where "Fullscreening" a browser won't do (Multiple sessions/screens), and also for when you're developing a potentially problematic site (Writing AJAX, with the risk of an infinite loop in there? Run it in prism and you can kill just that app, leaving all the others running just fine).

The "Add/Remove Programs" in every version of Windows from 2000 uses exactly the same thing. It's a HTML Application, run using Microsoft's version of this, MSHTA.

It's a great idea, but really not all that necessary for most people.
Quote Cupboard 1st November 2007, 20:32
Isn't this just a shell/box for web apps? if so, it sound great to me, instead of having them all in different tabs of Firefox (why doesn't the Firefox spell check recognise that?!), you can have them in their own window, that instead of having the normal browsing stuff is just a shell that lets them bring their own buttons and stuff. I think it is a major step in bringing web apps more into the mainstream (whether that is a good thing or not is a different question).
Quote Anakha 1st November 2007, 21:20
Yup. WebApps, here we come! (Valid XHTML1.1/CSS) :)
Quote cebla 1st November 2007, 23:03
I don't know why you compare this to Silverlight as it has nothing in common with it.
Quote seanap 2nd November 2007, 01:21
This seems pretty handy, but it uses way to much system resource to really justify having another tab open or such. Right now it's at 42,376K with 2 windows open (one a gMail account, one an outlook express email page). Now to use FireFox to open these same 2 windows it uses 36,572K in comparison. I really like the whole concept and idea behind Prism, but honestly it doesn't quite justify it's own use yet... using 6+ mb more ram than a full on web browser?

Here's to hoping it's memory usage is better in the versions to come, it has quite a potential IMO.
Quote DAE_JA_VOO 2nd November 2007, 06:56
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Originally Posted by Jamie
Doesn't seem to work on my Mac :/

No joy in Lunix either...
Quote jezmck 2nd November 2007, 08:56
Not looked yet, but this sounds ideal for 85% of the stuff we do where I work (intranet systems).

EDIT: After looking, it seems a little pointless - currently, we create web apps then tell the clients to simply open their web browser, point it to an address, login. That opens a new browser window sans nav buttons, sans 'location bar'. Result - a new chromeless window w/o them having to install anything.
Quote Bauul 2nd November 2007, 14:24
I can see it being useful for something like Google Docs, which is a webpage trying to be a desktop application. But for web pages that are simply web pages there's not real point to using it. It'd be really useful if they integrated it fully into Firefox, so you could for example save a shortcut to a webpage on your desktop, then click a tag in it that says "open as own app" and voila, you have your own desktop app. But for only that, it seems a bit excessive to be an entire program.
Quote yodasarmpit 3rd November 2007, 15:40
So many people are saying why use this when it's just a stripped down browser, well thats the point, it's not meant for the home user.
This would be perfect (as already stated) for corporate intranet sites, where they don't wish the user to access anything else but the corporate internal site.
Quote Bluephoenix 3rd November 2007, 16:08
I've been using it with gmail, and since it shows as a mail app, it can be integrated into the 'send to' and listed as the default mail app.

overall nice, but still a concept that needs work.
Quote karbonKid 3rd November 2007, 17:44
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Originally Posted by yodasarmpit
So many people are saying why use this when it's just a stripped down browser, well thats the point, it's not meant for the home user.
This would be perfect (as already stated) for corporate intranet sites, where they don't wish the user to access anything else but the corporate internal site.
Yes, but it's just as easy (actually, probably easier) to run a standard browser configured not to show any toolbars, etc.
Quote Bluephoenix 3rd November 2007, 17:50
not really, because then you open yourself up to security risks that are not even present if you're using prism. its more of a CYOA thing
Quote karbonKid 3rd November 2007, 19:58
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Originally Posted by Bluephoenix
not really, because then you open yourself up to security risks that are not even present if you're using prism. its more of a CYOA thing
I don't quite understand this. Just because you have a browser set up not to display its GUI, doesn't mean you have to turn off any 'security features'...
Quote Bluephoenix 4th November 2007, 03:31
fact - 60+% of most corporate intrusions are inside jobs

by just turning the GUI off, a savvy employee or one who's been told what to do can re-enable it and cause problems, prism has nothing to re-enable
Quote jezmck 5th November 2007, 07:42
okay, so they have to uninstall all browsers including Integrated Explorer?
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