Sony goofs by showing declining Blu-ray sales

Trying to show that Blu-ray sales have been double that of HD DVD, Sony shows that both formats have been on a decline.

At CEDIA EXPO 2007, Sony meant to tote the fact that Blu-ray disc sales have been twice that of HD DVD over the past year. Instead, as you can see in the picture over on the right, sales of both formats have been on a deep decline.

Cold, hard sales figures have been relatively hard to come by for both formats so this data comes as a shock. The chart shows that, while there have been sales spikes since last year's holiday season, overall sales of discs have nearly halved during this past year. Of course the data ends around the end of May and doesn't take into account any effects that recent bundling of movies with players has had.

The neck-and-neck race to become the dominant movie format has made it extremely hard to make a good judgment call on which format will win. Right now, many consumers are willing to sit back and wait for someone to be declared a winner before dropping money into a format that may end up being dead in the water. The decision, at least until the holiday rush hits us, is in the hands of large corporations as they pick which format to support.

Even if you're not willing to place your cash in either format right now, which one are you more willing to spend your money on? Discuss it with us in the comment section below or over in the forums.
Quote naokaji 7th September 2007, 15:41
atleast they don't lie about it

the problem is people are most likely scared to dump that much money into the technology and especially with movies being exclusive meaning your pretty much bound to get both or stick with dvd.
Quote heir flick 7th September 2007, 15:53
i like the look of blu-ray but still holding out for multi format players and cheaper prices
Quote Mastanives 7th September 2007, 16:03
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Originally Posted by naokaji
atleast they don't lie about it

the problem is people are most likely scared to dump that much money into the technology and especially with movies being exclusive meaning your pretty much bound to get both or stick with dvd.

there are a bunch of hd-dvd titles that are hd-dvd and dvd complaint... my parents watched smoking aces on their dvd player the day after i watched it in hd... so i would think early adopters would go the hd route for that feature specifically. i own a ps3 and an hd-dvd player so it matters not to me, but atleast give the little credit where it is due to hd. even if they don't buy an hd-player they could get the hd-version then upgrade later since the format might die but the players will drop in price and they will eventually be able to play the high def version anyways...
Quote devdevil85 7th September 2007, 16:39
[QUOTE=Mastanives]
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Originally Posted by naokaji
even if they don't buy an hd-player they could get the hd-version then upgrade later since the format might die but the players will drop in price and they will eventually be able to play the high def version anyways...
tbh, I never want to watch a movie twice so this DVD/HD-DVD movie combo thing doesn't matter to me...but that's just me...so I would rather go with complete HD-DVD rather than the combo disc. Is the combo disc limiting the HD-DVD's capacity or do the movies look just a good as regular discs?
Quote ChiperSoft 7th September 2007, 16:48
Actually, I think it's more likely that people are sitting back and waiting for the HD players to get cheaper. Everyone knows that in another year HD multimedia will be as cheap as standard is today.
Quote devdevil85 7th September 2007, 17:11
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Originally Posted by ChiperSoft
Actually, I think it's more likely that people are sitting back and waiting for the HD players to get cheaper. Everyone knows that in another year HD multimedia will be as cheap as standard is today.
It makes sense. Most people are not willing to go after something that isn't set in stone. I still think the DVD/HD-DVD thing is kind of idk....impractical, but I guess if it's worth it to people to pay more for a movie now that will allow for HD in the near future then that's their call...I would rather just stick with regular DVD's for now and try to upscale them to 1080i and THEN when a format is declared a winner, that's when I'd get a HD-DVD/Blu-Ray player.....but that's just me like I said, not a generalization of what consumers will probably do.....but I think it's the best decision as right now....for the price atleast...
Quote wafflesomd 7th September 2007, 19:13
I'm throwing in my own format.

Awesome-Disc.
Quote completemadness 7th September 2007, 19:26
I wonder if they tried to put DVD's on that graph too ?

Of course if they had tried it would have been off the scale :p
Quote HourBeforeDawn 7th September 2007, 22:21
I dont really see what is causing such high retail prices for the blu-ray tech, I cant see them costing that much to produce, if they lowered the price they would sell more thus make more, but again I dont know how much it cost to make one so I cant say that the prices are over inflated but given Sony history most of the time they charge 3 times what the item normally is worth minus the PS3 as they are losing money on each system they sell lol.
Quote The_Beast 7th September 2007, 22:36
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Originally Posted by ChiperSoft
Actually, I think it's more likely that people are sitting back and waiting for the HD players to get cheaper. Everyone knows that in another year HD multimedia will be as cheap as standard is today.


that is what I'm doing
Quote David_Fitzy 8th September 2007, 03:33
The other reason that they're not taking off is that for most people DVD is more than enough. There's no real benefit to HD for a lot of people. DVD offered a huge leap from VHS, Chapters, no-rewinding, extra content, 5.1 audio and smooth playback controls on a format that doesn't degrade with use. Over DVD, HD offers....
  • more dots with more colour - The number of people I've seen at the local tv shop stare in awe ooo-ing and aah-ing at the HD tvs is great except they're playing a regular DVD
  • lossless audio - come on most people couldn't care less or wouldn't even notice
  • more speakers - like 5.1 wasn't hard enough to arrange in a typical tv room and again a lot of people wouldn't care or notice
So the entire market consists of enthusiasts, the rich, the must have the latest stuff croud, those who buy whatever the adverts tell them to and that rarest of the rare, people who backup! ;)

Free (almost) always wins and while not upgrading from DVD is free then I reckon that DVD will be good enough for most people
Quote supermonkey 8th September 2007, 04:09
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Originally Posted by David_Fitzy
Over DVD, HD offers....
  • more dots with more colour - The number of people I've seen at the local tv shop stare in awe ooo-ing and aah-ing at the HD tvs is great except they're playing a regular DVD
  • lossless audio - come on most people couldn't care less or wouldn't even notice
  • more speakers - like 5.1 wasn't hard enough to arrange in a typical tv room and again a lot of people wouldn't care or notice
So the entire market consists of enthusiasts, the rich, the must have the latest stuff croud, those who buy whatever the adverts tell them to and that rarest of the rare, people who backup! ;)
And therein lies the problem, in my opinion. On a decent HD television, with a proper HD source, the picture quality can be stunning. However, as you pointed out, the majority of the consumer market doesn't know anything about HD. They think they know, but they don't.

I blame part of that on the technical aspects of HD. The two competing formats aren't confusing enough, but then you add the LCD/Plasma war and the 720p/1080i/1080p war and pretty soon consumers are left scratching their heads. When they get confused, they just go to Wal-Mart and buy a DVD player.

-monkey
Quote StephenK 8th September 2007, 14:38
I'm planning on getting a HD player as soon as they're a little cheaper. Whether Blu Ray or HD wins the war doesnt really matter that much to me. I've been very impressed by the upconverting feature on a couple of players. The quality you can get from upconverting a dvd seems pretty good from what i've seen. Upconvert capable HD players are mostly much cheaper than upconvert Blu Ray players.
One of these players will not only allow me to watch my current dvd collection in good quality on my hdtv but if a movie i want is blu-ray only (like the pirates of the carribean movies which are disney) then i'll just by the dvd (and the price of standard dvds will continue to fall) and then upconvert. With HD discs being much cheaper to produce I think the chances of HD winning a price war are very good. Maybe one day I wont be able to buy a standard dvd in the shops anymore but by that time I'm sure either one format will have won or most players will be dual-format.
Quote Smilodon 8th September 2007, 15:27
I hope that blu-ray wins this war just because they have higher data capacity. Problem is that the players are more expensive, and most people go for the cheapest thing (HD-DVD).

So I'm basically just waiting for the blu-ray lair to do a huge mistake. We all know it will happen, and when it does I'll buy a HD-DVD player.

(Yay for positive thinking...)

oh, and I'll probably wait for someone to make a player that doesn't look like utter crap! At least something that have a standard width, so it will fit into my stereo-"rack".
Quote completemadness 8th September 2007, 16:37
people will probably upgrade to HD as they have to

If my TV died ATM, id probably upgrade to HD (if the price is right) but currently, there is no need to upgrade, we've only got 1 LCD tv in our house, and the others are CRT - why? because there's no need to replace the CRT's
Quote Morphine-Kitty 8th September 2007, 23:52
Do they include PS3 games in that graph?
Quote DeXtmL 9th September 2007, 14:46
Both are greate! But...

As they announced the HD-DVD gives you nearly the same quality as Blu-DVD while maintaining a relative low price.
Price! You know, price is a sensitive topic to those people reside in developing countries and these countries hold a large market.
These people with a average income may just pay half-day or even one-day work for a blank blu-ray disk.
You can imagine how a blu-dvd containing the latest Hollywood's film being sold there.
I think they would not hesitate to support HD-DVD(if they choose to upgrade).
Quote ralph.pickering 9th September 2007, 18:57
The higher capacity of Blu-ray is a moot point - firstly, there's little around that needs that capacity, although I suppose having an entire TV series on one disk would be cool, but secondly the formats are very similar, as I believe they both use the same type of laser and both use MPEG4 / VC1 encoding. It just needs a chip that can decode both formats (which Broadcom already have on the market). So maybe it would be over simplifying things to suggest that if one player can play BR and HDDVD with little in the way of additional hardware, then when the first incarnation of HD-DVD starts looking a little cramped, v2 of the standard could easily increase capacity while still providing backward compatibility for v1 and older players might just need a firmware upgrade to make use of the extra space. Who knows and right now, who cares. I'm still happy with DVD and besides I can't afford a projector that can do 1080p native, so what would I do with a player that has to output that just to justify its huge capacity?
Quote Smilodon 9th September 2007, 19:08
Maybe capacity isn't much of an issue now, but give it a few years and you'll see.

Just look at a DVD today. 4,7GB isn't much. (which is the only real option, as dual layer disks are overly expensive)
Quote MilkMan5 10th September 2007, 10:38
Well, I will not invest until the industry agrees on which standard to use.
For me it’s not about the capacity, but rather the compatibility.

Can you imagine having different standards on CD music players!

I am very happy with my DVD quality and compatibility. ;)

The price is good, I know that it’s compatible on my PC, my home and/or with friends and family.

Sony always tries to be different, just like they’re Sony Memory sticks, and now this. :(
Quote [USRF]Obiwan 10th September 2007, 10:53
Well i buy one the day before yesterday if:

The player supports both formats
Can play all other codecs (divx/xvid etc)
And has network connection
Quote Sam0r 8th October 2007, 18:26
BD-ROM for data, HD-DVD for movies.

Case closed.
Quote completemadness 9th October 2007, 20:46
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Originally Posted by Sam0r
BD-ROM for data, HD-DVD for movies.

Case closed.
so you want to be ripped off twice? Dual format players are probably marginally better, if you really want to waste your money on this HD rubbish
Quote Sam0r 9th October 2007, 20:51
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Originally Posted by completemadness
so you want to be ripped off twice? Dual format players are probably marginally better, if you really want to waste your money on this HD rubbish

How exactly would I be getting ripped off if I bought HD-DVD movies and BD-ROM software? Unless you're on about watching HD-DVD titles on a PC...
Quote completemadness 10th October 2007, 11:53
You have to buy 2 drives ... probably more (1 set for each PC) and you have to keep stocks of 2 sets of "next gen" media
Quote 1st time modder 8th November 2008, 01:19
might as well stick with blu-ray.... thats what I'm about to do, although waiting for the blank 25gig media to get below 5usd per disc. SONY START STAMPING THEM OUT LIKE HOT_CAKES TO FLOOD THE MARKET!. Unfortunately I have my doubts that it will never happen as dual layer single sides DVD's never really broke down to a cost effective market, and so remain elusive to find in 50 or 100disc lots.
Quote Shadowed_fury 8th November 2008, 01:26
nice bump, nearly a year old this fossil...
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