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Use your mobile as a payment option

Use your mobile as a payment option

Use your mobile to pay your parking fees or to buy a train ticket thanks to PayForIt.

You know what it's like; one morning, you're in a big rush to get to the train station in time but when you get there you realize you've let your wallet at home. Happen to you often? No worries, just whip out your mobile and use it to pay for your ticket. At least that's what the makers of PayForIt are hoping that you'll do.

Mobile payment systems, such as premium rate SMS, have been on offer for some time now but many people have been unwilling to use the services due to confusion about just who they were going to pay and what happens if something messes up. Well, now there's an alternative that is (supposed to be) both unified and informative.

Available on the five major mobile networks in the UK, PayForIt has standardised the way that mobiles can be used to make payments. Now, when you make a purchase with your mobile, an information screen will show you just what you've bought, who it was bought from and how much you paid for it. The charge will automatically be tacked onto your next mobile phone bill.

The system isn't designed to replace cash but will offer another choice when making a purchase of up to £10.

"It's about opening up the micro payment choices," said Mike Short, chairman of the Mobile Data Association, "but it's not a total cash replacement."

As society as a whole moves away from using cash for their main payment option this can only lead to bigger and better things. Right? Or will we all turn into a nation of silent automatons, communicating solely by text and email?

Have you had a chance to use PayForIt as a payment method? What do you think of the scheme? Tell us your thoughts on it in the comment section below or over in the forums.

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Delphium 4th September 2007, 10:03 Quote
I read this on the BBC site yesterday of which my thoughts where that, "Yay yet another reason to get mugged or stabbed up for your mobile phone". :(
We have credit cards for this sort of thing, of which are a lot more secure.
capnPedro 4th September 2007, 10:32 Quote
Meh, I've had PayPal linked to my mobile for a year or so. Not used it once.
Although if anyone mugged me, they'd still need to get my PIN. But if they did, then they could empty my PayPal account AND my bank account (linked by my debit card).

Ironically, I'm more likely to just have some cash or a card on me than my phone.
RTT 4th September 2007, 10:59 Quote
I forget my phone more than my wallet anyway. I'm not a fan of this idea - i don't want to be fumbling around with my phone or having random things attached to my phone bill. Yet another useless solution to a non-existent problem
Perforated 4th September 2007, 11:12 Quote
Firstly, the paranoiac in me loves the anonymity of cash - it's nice paying for something in a way that's not listed in however many databases for a change. Everything you buy on card, the vendor knows your name, the bank knows what you've bought... etc. Sure, mostly it's irrelevant, but I still think it's an important option.

On that note, wil this be being offered on Pay As You Go?

Secondly, surely I'm not the only person here who's taken advantage of "for cash" discounts & bartering? 17.5% off is nice... *ahem*

So yes, I'm certainly in favour of more payment options - but I never want anything to "replace cash"...
mikeuk2004 4th September 2007, 11:38 Quote
Japan have been using mobil phones as a credit card for years now. I was wondering how many centuries it would take to reach us, not that I would use this method of payment.

What happens if your phone is stolen and your nextphone bill has £5K of purchases. Are you covered like a credit card???
sinizterguy 4th September 2007, 12:35 Quote
Barclaycard is introducing a new card with one of those smart chips or whatever - you just need to scan it over the reader to pay for things under £10. No need for pin, or even to take out the card. Much better than the mobile payment system.
DXR_13KE 4th September 2007, 12:45 Quote
i prefer hard cold cash..... iirc the USA are making pressure on RFID sub dermal implants to substitute your identity and money, but i think it wont fly, remember the rfid passport fiasco?
CardJoe 4th September 2007, 12:48 Quote
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Originally Posted by sinizterguy
Barclaycard is introducing a new card with one of those smart chips or whatever - you just need to scan it over the reader to pay for things under £10. No need for pin, or even to take out the card. Much better than the mobile payment system.

I hate that. I'd live in fear that the system would pick me up from a distance and randomly charge me for things.
DXR_13KE 4th September 2007, 12:50 Quote
CardJoe if they are like our buss passes and tickets (they are RFID), it has to be at about 10 cm or less from the machine.
CardJoe 4th September 2007, 13:27 Quote
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
CardJoe if they are like our buss passes and tickets (they are RFID), it has to be at about 10 cm or less from the machine.

Fine, then we'll get thieve running around with handheld versions, scanning everyone in sight!

!WHERES THE HUMANITY!
DXR_13KE 4th September 2007, 14:09 Quote
CardJoe it has to be slightly static for about 1 to 2 seconds..... and parallel to the card, because the card it self is the antenna and the chip is about 1mm in size.

the only scanable versions are the ones they want to fit into people that are the shape of a grain of rice, you then copy the data in them and start imitating people and stealing cash and framing people for serious crimes..... or you can make a strong electromagnetic field and fry everyones chips.
mattthegamer463 5th September 2007, 02:45 Quote
Our Esso gas stations have a similar system, where you hold a small plastic keychain up to the pump and it immediately charges the gas you put in your car to your credit card. My mom got it because she didn't want to waste time taking out her credit card each time, but I think its a bad idea.

This seems more secure and useful though, I think it could really take off with people. I can see fat kids racking up huge tabs at the vending machine though.
Malvolio 5th September 2007, 03:07 Quote
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
What happens if your phone is stolen and your nextphone bill has £5K of purchases. Are you covered like a credit card???

Thats an interesting question, and it all depends upon how it is setup (what communicates with what), and how they write the contract. With a mobile, if it is stolen, you have to report it stolen immediately to the company you have your contract with, at which point they'll immediately stop any future use of the phone, and black-list the serial of the phone (a unique code stamped into the hardware - kind of like how MAC adresses were designed to work).

If, however, you take a day or two to report it, and the thief racks up that five-K, then you have to pay for it.

I would imagine that this system would work the same on the phone side, except when it comes time to report it to your credit card, all the funds stolen would be refuned, and then charged to you on your mobile bill, as I am sure the communication between the two wouldn't be all that on-par ;)


Thats one theory anyway.
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