How do you store your music?  Let us know in this week's poll.

How do you store your music? Let us know in this week's poll.

Many people claim MP3s are killing music with their poor compression standards (MP3s, not people), but the problem is that it's still the most compatible storage available.

If you're an iRiver fanboy then good old OGG might be your friend, or iTunes can mean AAC. Others many prefer to shun digital distribution and storage altogether and stick with good old CD or Vinyl - it's not very portable but far better quality than anything digital unless you insist on being lossless like with Apple or FLAC?

You could be real old school and still use good old Chrome Oxide tape or even still listen to the sounds of Atari in MIDI?

We have had a poll running in the forums for a couple of days now and there are already some interesting results. Don't let that put you off adding your vote though, so what are you waiting for?! Get into the forums and vote!
Quote Jamie 20th August 2007, 09:25
Given my current setup CD is the best format I can play. Though if I had a turntable I would choose vinyl.
Quote Bogomip 20th August 2007, 09:25
MP3 all the way for me at the moment but only because of the immense compatibility. I would probalbly go for ogg or AC3 otherwise.
Quote RTT 20th August 2007, 09:36
MP3 due to the compatibility. It's going to be a long while before stuff doesn't play MP3 anymore.
Quote Mister_Tad 20th August 2007, 10:03
all FLAC here, after upgrading both my PC speakers and sound card many average bitrate MP3s became virtually unlistenable in comparison :/
may as well anyway, in the grand scheme of things it really doesn't take up all that much space
Quote Glider 20th August 2007, 10:06
MP3 for compatibility...

But if there was a "I don't care as long as it plays" option, I'd go for that one.

If FLAC would be more mainstream, I'd re-rip everything in FLAC, but for now it's a waste of space (and I'm not a audiophile)
Quote K 20th August 2007, 10:07
I voted for CD, since if someone offered me the choice between a physical copy or a download I'm gonna go with the physical one. But really I've only bought like two CDs this year yet I've obtained many many albums. It's terrible, but hey, I have about 700 CDs at my parent's place collecting dust.

I'm not too fussed about all this lossless stuff though. I don't like low bit-rate MP3s but anything 192 and above sounds just fine to me. Even 128's ok sometimes. Beggars can't be choosers and all that.
Quote steveo_mcg 20th August 2007, 10:11
MP3 because i'm lazy. too lazy to recode every thing to ogg or flac.
Quote Hugo.B 20th August 2007, 10:14
.ogg sooner die than use .mp3 or .wma again.
Quote Bindibadgi 20th August 2007, 10:31
Quote:
Originally Posted by K
I voted for CD, since if someone offered me the choice between a physical copy or a download I'm gonna go with the physical one.

Amen to that.
Quote Ramble 20th August 2007, 10:40
FLAC, simply because it sounds the best and is open.
Most of my library is mp3/ogg however since a lot of stuff was found as mp3 and so converting it to ogg or flac without some highyer quality source available would be pointless.
I use Ogg because it's small, sounds great and more people can listen than flac.
Quote Spacecowboy92 20th August 2007, 10:42
DTS is prefered but I have many formats all over the place althought most of my stuff is mp3. I do have some vinyls lying around but not an impressive player system.
Quote BioSniper 20th August 2007, 10:49
I use mp3 due to compatibility. Sometimes I rip in AAC though, generally when I forget to change the settings on iTunes and the like.
I won't rip any less than 192k/s and prefer to just go the full whack at 320kbps just "cause I can" kinda thing.

I will however buy CD's rather than downloads due to the price. More often than not I can get a proper CD with all the shiny album art for the same price as an iTunes download album and I prefer to be able to hold something for my money when it comes to stuff like movies or music.
If downloads were cheaper, say £2 per album then I'd bother.
Quote Lee @ Scan 20th August 2007, 10:56
Same here with the mp3 for compatability as I stream them to a variety of devices round the house, mainly my 360 or the squeezebox 3 we have.

Plus with an X-Fi soundcard the 3D crystaliser enabled does help improve the quality of most the mp3 files I have at home.
Quote <A88> 20th August 2007, 11:02
I rip at a high quality WMA, usually 320kbp/s, as it's the best quality and compression I can use knowing it'll work on whatever MP3 player I finally get round to purchasing (and no, it won't be an iPod).

<A88>
Quote g3n3tiX 20th August 2007, 11:07
mp3, but I also listen to .sc68 Atari/Amiga music files, so it could be Obscure.

What about midi ? not in the poll ? ^^
Quote <A88> 20th August 2007, 11:18
MIDI isn't really an audio compression standard- you can't (easily) rip music to MIDI, it's more for retaining individual track details for editing and listening to 80s-video-games-style-guitar-riffs.

edit:having read all your post, MIDI seems entirely appropriate ;)

<A88>
Quote antiHero 20th August 2007, 12:07
Vinyl for me! Nothing better then that. And DJing is just better then with CD/MP3....

edit: Seems like I am the only one so far :)
Quote <A88> 20th August 2007, 12:46
I've got a few vinyls, just nothing to play em on so far! I'm planning on getting a budgets seperates system at some point (around £600-700) which'll have a Pro-ject Debut to get some life out of em. I didn't actually notice the physical options on the list, so would have probably opted for CD; sure, it's not 1/2 as nice-sounding as vinyl, but I find it more practical on the whole, and seem to be buying music in bulk right now.

<A88>
Quote riggs 20th August 2007, 13:11
MP3 @ =>192kbps
Quote Krikkit 20th August 2007, 13:15
CD for everything uncompressed, OGG ~192k for compressed music, i.e. comp/i-river. :D

Can't beat the feeling of having a physical copy - sublime!
Quote samkiller42 20th August 2007, 14:00
Have voted for good old .mp3:D

Sam
Quote Nath 20th August 2007, 14:22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krikkit
CD for everything uncompressed, OGG ~192k for compressed music, i.e. comp/i-river. :D

Can't beat the feeling of having a physical copy - sublime!
QFT. ;)
Quote fathazza 20th August 2007, 14:46
no sense in not going lossless with hard drives so cheap at the moment.
so i use encode stuff to flac and mp3 when i get a new cd :)
Quote ElThomsono 20th August 2007, 15:07
I'm lazy so mp3 for ease of compatibility, physical's nice and all that but it can't compete with a digital library of everything you own for casual listening.
Quote severedhead 20th August 2007, 16:10
MP3. Works with everything.
Quote alextwo 20th August 2007, 16:22
MP3 at a decent bit rate, or if it's something that deserves it then it's FLAC.
Quote Smilodon 20th August 2007, 17:10
For music i usually use MP3, just because that's what's available. (My entire collection is MP3 (file based))

I prefer DTS on movies, though. (and voted this, because I'm special :P )

I also have a bunch of CD's, but physical media is just to much work to listen to. I have most of my CDs ripped to MP3. I just want to fire up Winamp, and have all my music just a few clicks away. (That sounds like an advertisement, doesn't it?)
Quote yodasarmpit 20th August 2007, 17:17
mp3 at a decent bitrate, works with everything.
Quote capnPedro 20th August 2007, 17:17
mp3. I can't tell the difference between an mp3 and a CD, so FLAC would just be a waste of space. (This may be because of my sound card/speakers/my ears - I'm not bashing lossless formats/audiophiles)

Also, mp3s are easier to get if downloading.
Quote Amon 20th August 2007, 17:22
MP3 for sheer practicality. FLAC is far, far too overhyped to be implemented in a sensible manner. MP3 also supports in-file ID3 data. Ogg Vorbis was another good one from a few years ago.
Quote Mister_Tad 20th August 2007, 17:34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amon
FLAC is far, far too overhyped to be implemented in a sensible manner

What does that actually mean?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amon
MP3 also supports in-file ID3 data

are you saying that FLAC doesn't?
Quote Firehed 20th August 2007, 17:35
Quote:
Originally Posted by RTT
MP3 due to the compatibility. It's going to be a long while before stuff doesn't play MP3 anymore.
Same. If my iPhone played FLAC I'd use it, but it doesn't. Big deal, I can't hear a difference anyways.
Quote AFX 20th August 2007, 17:40
I just love my mini-disk player. Since i hate the sony software, most of my content is line-in dubbing.
Quote Amon 20th August 2007, 17:51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister_Tad
What does that actually mean?
How many tracks would you fit on an 8GB portable audio player equipped with a FLAC decoder? Because, after all, the poll seems to suggest using the formats for portable listening everywhere (suitable for my lifestyle). It would also (possibly) necessitate equipment suitable for FLAC as well. You know, I'd love to bring around a 3.5-inch hard disk drive connected to receiver with monitor headphones everywhere I go...

Just not practical for me; it's outside of most listeners' financial and lifestyle boundaries to make sensible use of it.
Quote Mister_Tad 20th August 2007, 17:52
I understand why FLAC isn't practical for portable music, but don't get what "overhyped" has to do with it

The thread states nothing specific to portable music, its simply asking in which format you prefer your music, whether it be portable, on your pc, hifi etc
Quote Amon 20th August 2007, 17:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister_Tad
I understand why FLAC isn't practical for portable music, but don't get what "overhyped" has to do with it
Not here specifically, but youngsters seem to think there's some sensational playback superiority to be had from FLAC, while they justify this loyalty with bargain-bin equipment. Alright, FLAC is lossless, but do most of these people know the difference? Or are they using FLAC "just because it's better".
Quote Herbicide 20th August 2007, 17:57
MP3s at... *checks* 128k mostly, some VBR and other assorted bitrates.

- H.
Quote RTT 20th August 2007, 17:59
What they're saying is that lossless formats aren't worth their hard disk space when put side by side with a "good quality" MP3 the MP3 is only marginally worse through their particular setup - I'm the same. I have FLAC stuff and accept that it is better but as I'm not listening through a completely pimped out system* i'm not hearing the benefit anyway.

I usually grab 320 CBR MP3 or at the very least 192 and both sound just fine. 128 however does sound absolutely abysmal by comparison.

*Envy24 HT-S -> Creek OBH21SE -> Senny HD495s. Missing a DAC :(
Quote Mister_Tad 20th August 2007, 18:00
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amon
Alright, FLAC is lossless, but do most of these people know the difference? Or are they using FLAC "just because it's better".

I started ripping CDs to FLAC before I could tell the difference on it all simply because if CDs got nicked, for instance, I had lossless copies (this has come in handy!) I had the space, so may as well.

After I upgraded sound cards and speakers, theres a pretty clear difference between FLAC and ~200k VBR MP3 for the majority of music.

As for the HDD space argument - I don't get it
Space is so vastly cheap and in excess these days.
Quote Amon 20th August 2007, 18:03
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister_Tad
As for the HDD space argument - I don't get it
Space is so vastly cheap and in excess these days.
Portable audio players, if you missed my point earlier.
Quote daguuy 20th August 2007, 20:37
MP3 because it's so compatible and I don't want to take out a CD and put in another one if I want to listen to a different album. I don't like compression, but higher bit rates sounds just fine.
Quote wafflesomd 20th August 2007, 20:39
Mp3's.

There's really no reason for the other formats.

Lossless is nice, but chances are ppl's audio systems aren't all that great anyways. That, or they play the music in cars (ew).
Quote Naked_Dave 21st August 2007, 15:18
Flac, because my vinyl system is broken!
Quote Da_Rude_Baboon 21st August 2007, 15:40
Purchased CD Ripped to flac for archiving purposes, converted to VBR mp3 for use on the iPod that i use when out and about or converted to apple lossless to use on the iPod which is permanently connected to my iTube valve amplifier.

Flac is great for keeping a backup of your music but as most people have mentioned the discernible difference in quality over mp3 is not that great on most portable players to justify the extra space it takes up imo.
Quote TNash 21st August 2007, 15:43
I go with AAC, but I keep all my physical (CD) copies of music.
Quote rewind 21st August 2007, 15:45
MP3 for me, I do most of my music listening in my car and my CD/MP3 car sterio only plays MP3's or WMAv8... so it's MP3 all the way for compatability.

I do try and record at 192Kbps or above but find 128 OK for some music.
Quote dragontail 21st August 2007, 16:02
Quote:
Originally Posted by riggs
MP3 @ =>192kbps
Quote aggies11 21st August 2007, 16:05
Compatibility is key. I like OGG, I want to go OGG, I even have a Vorbis player (Rio Karma). However my next player might not be Vorbis compatible, and I can't take the risk. MP3 is here to stay, so I stick with it for compatibility. Lame alt-preset-standard (190-220kpbs).

Aggies
Quote _DTM2000_ 21st August 2007, 16:10
CD's for music for me. I don't like using MP3's or other compressed formats unless I can't find an alternative or the quality doesn't really matter. MP3's just sound flat, lifeless and boring to me. I never really got into the whole DVD-A and SACD thing but if I have the choice of DTS on a new DVD, I always choose it as it generally sounds better than the Dolby equivalent.

I do listen to some MP3's at work on my headphones, but they are mostly 320kbps ones that I ripped of my own CD's. I can put up with that for a couple of hours but then I start to miss being able to feel the bass and all the other benefits you get from listening to a decent Hi-Fi and I have to switch off.
Quote teamtd11 21st August 2007, 16:22
I now rip my cd's in FLAC and a MP3 copy for my MP3 player :p
Quote Awoken 21st August 2007, 16:25
I buy music on CD and rip @192Kbps to mp3 (for its excellent compatibility)
Quote Sp! 21st August 2007, 16:30
I voted FLAC because it's lossless and the tag information is all included, I'm not really worried about space as I also have the my entire 250GB+ FLAC music collection transcoded into MP3 for my mp3 player in the car. Honestly I don't think I can tell the difference between FLAC and 192kbps MP3 with my current setup but I really don;t want to have to re ripp my entire CD collection one day when I decide I could so FLAC seamed a good choice as a batch transcode to any other fromat that I may decide is the best thing in the futre should be a simple task and just take a few hours of CPU time to do.
Quote Bonze 21st August 2007, 16:32
FLAC stored on a QNAP and played back via Squeezebox(en) - nice! :D
Quote Drexial 21st August 2007, 16:34
I use vinyl for everything that really has depth to it, and a few artists that just deserve the extra sound quality. But MP3 at 128-160 for everything else the CDs just sit around after ripping them. I'm too random with my music to not rip them, cause I would constantly be reaching back and forth for CDs. 128 suits my needs for most bands, there are a few that have some extra depth that i use 160 for, if its just the standard 4 piece band, the MP3 is fine.
Quote Rich_13 21st August 2007, 16:35
Quote:
Originally Posted by <A88>
I rip at a high quality WMA, usually 320kbp/s, as it's the best quality and compression I can use knowing it'll work on whatever MP3 player I finally get round to purchasing (and no, it won't be an iPod).

<A88>

well said, wma got my vote to.

Yes it adds 10mins to my linux set up times to get them running but I prefer them over mp3
Quote ChiperSoft 21st August 2007, 16:42
I <3 DTS, but given the lack of portability and that you have to have a 5.1 setup to actually enjoy it, I voted for MP3.
Quote Delphium 21st August 2007, 16:46
Gotta be MP3 simply due to compatability, but flac/ogg/ac3 for performance.
Quote Ghys 21st August 2007, 17:03
mp3 because i'll probably never have the courage to convert thousands of files and not gain quality...
Quote Henk 21st August 2007, 17:10
Flac when available, because mp3 just doesn't keep the lower frequencies = bass does quite often suck, although the x-fi crystalizer helps a bit ;)
Quote topher 21st August 2007, 17:21
MP3
Quote KoenVdd 21st August 2007, 17:21
Below 128kbps I'd go for ogg vorbis or AAC (especially HE-AAC), since they have much better spectral range there (up to 15 kHz, even at 64kbps, and nearly no metallic warbling, at least not with vorbis (recently did a ABX test with foobar2000)), if you listen closely you can spot the artifacts, but it is perfect for background music. MP3 or WMA don't come anywhere near close at these bitrates.
The only problem is that my mp3-player only accepts mp3 and wma. I did install this:
http://www.cole2k.net/
then windows media player can play almost anything (tho M$ still thinks it knows best as it doesn't want to put WMP in the open with section for ogg files (bleeping dickwads)).
Above 128kbps, most formats will do.
I mainly listen to Metal (Dream Theater, Machine Head ) and here it seems vorbis performs really well (at lo bitrates it causes noisy distortion, but that doesn't show that much, but I think it would do a lot worse on symphonic music).

PS: ogg is only the container format, vorbis is the codec (if you want to correct)
Quote Joeymac 21st August 2007, 17:23
If I buy music it's a CD.. I've dabbled in itunes but really I'm not even going to consider it properly till it's all lossless and DRM free...
The CD will get tossed onto the shelf after being ripped in Apple lossless. If I want to use the music on some other device I'll run off some AAC versions (my phone and every device seems to play mp4 fine - AAC is not just Apple's people).. most of the time I will burn off a compilation CD for the car.
Quote RTT 21st August 2007, 17:39
Just did a bit of a test... the only discernible difference to my ears between a 192kbit (VBR) LAME MP3 and a CD is the extreme high frequencies which MP3 compression hacks of the top of the waveform. The only effect this has is the CD feels a bit more airy and less enclosed than the MP3.
Quote Techno-Dann 21st August 2007, 17:42
256 kb/sec MP3. Works with everything, while still sounding not half bad.
Quote completemadness 21st August 2007, 17:50
high VBR MP3 compressed with LAME and ripped with EAC

cant beat it tbh :p (in terms of space and quality, its hardly any worse then a CD tbh)
Quote devdevil85 21st August 2007, 17:50
I use WMA because it's compatible with everything I own, it's half the size of an MP3 at the same bitrate, and it sounds the same as that comparable MP3 (to me atleast)....and btw I am using a Digital Coax connection with a Sony 5.1 Surround Sound setup, so it's not a cheap stereo system either that I'm playing these on....

I mean don't get me wrong, MP3 (when it comes down to the #'s) offers more data, but it's hard to notice it and when it comes to having a 13,000 song list, I want it all to fit on my 40GB Zen and being MP3s they most definitely wouldn't at 128kbps, but WMA does, so that's what I use.....
Quote OleJ 21st August 2007, 18:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by completemadness
high VBR MP3 compressed with LAME and ripped with EAC

Yup! Teh best!
Exact Audio Copy (EAC) and LAME (With "--alt preset -extreme" (which gives a vbr mp3 done best)

The difference between CD and MP3 is hardly discernable. As mentioned in another cd-mp3 comparison in this thread the real difference is the really high frequency reverberation which is downplayed, making the music lose a little of that "airy" feeling.
Quote pendragon 21st August 2007, 18:31
Quote:
Originally Posted by completemadness
high VBR MP3 compressed with LAME and ripped with EAC

cant beat it tbh :p (in terms of space and quality, its hardly any worse then a CD tbh)

I use this too.;)
Quote mikeuk2004 21st August 2007, 18:32
Voted MP3, but its either that or wma as most things I own and portable players work with both.
Quote zoom314 21st August 2007, 18:41
Quote:
Originally Posted by K
I voted for CD, since if someone offered me the choice between a physical copy or a download I'm gonna go with the physical one. But really I've only bought like two CDs this year yet I've obtained many many albums. It's terrible, but hey, I have about 700 CDs at my parent's place collecting dust.

I'm not too fussed about all this lossless stuff though. I don't like low bit-rate MP3s but anything 192 and above sounds just fine to me. Even 128's ok sometimes. Beggars can't be choosers and all that.
Quote:
Originally Posted by steveo_mcg
MP3 because I'm lazy. too lazy to recode every thing to ogg or flac.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bindibadgi
Amen to that.

I voted for MP3 too, But I burned a bunch of MP3's to CD awhile back and It's in My Mustang and I hardly ever listen to the Radio anymore(Shaker 1000w audio system). ;)
Quote Aankhen 21st August 2007, 18:50
Where's WavPack? :)
Quote The_Pope 21st August 2007, 18:55
Damn - I didn't read the whole list and already voted MP3 :(

Actually, truthfully, the question is "What is your preferred audio format" - which really means "what do you use most" right? Then MP3 is accurate. But of course, DTS > * :P
Quote wharrad 21st August 2007, 19:12
CDs for real music enjoyment on the hi-fi.

Mp3's at 128 for the iPod in the car (can't see the sense in higher bitrates for portables, usually have an engine running or walking along the street with other noises).


One day I'll be bothered to sit down and rip a lossless copy of all the CDs as backups (It's a good idea), but the thought of the hours involved scares me (and the laser on the CD drive!).