Hazard to your health or just another phone mast scare?

Hazard to your health or just another phone mast scare?

Researchers from the Queensland University of Technology have conducted a study that shows that one third of tested laser printers emit potentially dangerous levels of toner particles into the air during use.

The researchers carried out the tests on more then 60 machines in an open-plan office environment in downtown Brisbane over the course of a continuously monitored 48 hour period.

Air-monitoring devices placed inside the office measured a five fold increase in the amount of toner particles in the air during working hours when compared to off hours.

The concern about the amount of toner particles in the air is over the size of the particles. With the majority of the particles being less than 0.1 micrometer in diameter, this means that they can easily enter your bloodstream after being absorbed through your lungs.

Don't fret just yet though as it has yet to be determined if there are any carcinogens in the toner particles themselves. Further studies will need to be conducted in order to find out if that laser printer you sit beside of at work is as bad as cigarette smoke.

So, do you think this is just another mobile phone mast health scare or should we really be concerned about it? Let us know your thoughts over in the forums or in the comments section below.
Quote BioSniper 3rd August 2007, 12:16
So having mine sat on my desk around a foot from me would be pretty bad then? :p
Quote Particle Man 3rd August 2007, 12:25
I have an HP Laser Jet 4350n less than one foot away from where I sit....... Sign me up for the cancer screening.
Quote Paradigm Shifter 3rd August 2007, 12:26
I had my LaserJet in a separate room... not because of toner or anything, but because the noise it makes really annoys me.
Quote will. 3rd August 2007, 12:29
Yea, last week the fearmongers were trying to convince us that WIFI was the primary cause for something or other.

Lets all take bets as to when someone tries to convinces us that H20 is evil and we should all stop consuming it.
Quote Paradigm Shifter 3rd August 2007, 12:33
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Originally Posted by will.
Yea, last week the fearmongers were trying to convince us that WIFI was the primary cause for something or other.

Lets all take bets as to when someone tries to convinces us that H20 is evil and we should all stop consuming it.

Ha. :D Someone already does that... ;)

http://www.dhmo.org/

http://www.msu.edu/user/dynicrai/physics/H2O.htm
Quote Javerh 3rd August 2007, 13:44
I doubt it could be a serious threat at home. Things get more complicated when your employer tells you to sit next to one that is in continuous use. The effects may start to arise after years of exposure.
Then again it might be for nothing. At the place where I work there's a guy who's been inhaling poisonous acidic fumes for 15 years and he's still alive and well.
Quote completemadness 3rd August 2007, 14:33
i know they don't like you inhaling toner, whenever you fill a toner cartridge you should wear a mask

but it doesn't actually so how much toner is in the air in the office, just that it increase 5 fold during the day
so it could be there is 1PPM normally and in office hours there are 5PPM

It also doesn't say how dangerous they are, or what effect it might have - but laser printers have been around a long time, and in use in offices for a long time, and i don't know any complaints of the effects ....
Quote Hugo.B 3rd August 2007, 15:34
Two days old?
Don't the guys next-door help you out with news?
Quote Arkanrais 3rd August 2007, 15:44
this remonds me very much of a picture I saw on consumnerfreedom.org a while back:

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m313/arkanrais/foodcops_medical.gif
Quote DougEdey 3rd August 2007, 16:54
Kind of expected... I wonder what the increase in dust was at the same time...
Quote Ramble 3rd August 2007, 16:58
I doubt it's all that much anyway. I'd bet it'd be harmless.
Quote E.E.L. Ambiense 3rd August 2007, 17:13
After reading that, I'm fearful for my life. lol. I've been a graphic designer and screen printer for going on 20 years now; 12 professionally. I sit next to, currently, an HP Laserjet 5100, about 2 feet from me. Oh well.

If anything were to kill me, it'd be the horrid noxious printing chemicals I use 5 days/week for the past dozen years. Now THERE'S a way to go! Death by Mineral-Spirits Ignition!
Quote Flibblebot 3rd August 2007, 17:38
What about the ozone that laser printers emit? Is that not more dangerous than toner?

I also think that the pic in the article should actually be a laser printer rather than an inkjet, but that's just me being picky :p
Quote Anakha 3rd August 2007, 18:31
Isn't it ironic that the picture they chose to use to illustrate this story is an Inkjet printer...
Quote lamboman 3rd August 2007, 21:35
Some how doubt it. That is like microwaves, and they haven't killed anyone yet, well, I haven't heard anything.
Quote The_Beast 3rd August 2007, 23:13
Woot inkjet wins kinda
Quote leexgx 4th August 2007, 00:40
id be more wurrued if laser printers (norm office laser printer that can do A4 and A3 size ones) in an confided space little or no air movement it must be bad for health the toner power it self is not somthing you should breath in toxic
Quote Veles 4th August 2007, 04:53
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Originally Posted by The_Beast
Woot inkjet wins kinda

I'd still rather have a laser than my crappy inkjet, no matter how fast they get, they won't be anywhere near as good as a laser printer.
Quote bloodcar 4th August 2007, 05:51
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Originally Posted by Anakha
Isn't it ironic that the picture they chose to use to illustrate this story is an Inkjet printer...

It's a printer. :p
It's a bit hard to find royalty free images of a laser printer (trust me, I looked for fricken ages) and I don't think my 1.3MP phone camera would do the job even though I had a laser printer beside of me.

I'll do better next time, I promise.
Quote walle 4th August 2007, 19:08
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Originally Posted by Ramble
I doubt it's all that much anyway. I'd bet it'd be harmless.

Most people tend to think that using mobile phones are harmless too; having a 2 minute conversation in a mobile phone results in our brain waves getting disturbed for about 2 weeks....

...and on that note; How often, and for how long do you use your mobile phone? Do the maths, I take it your findings will be somewhat of a chocker.

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Originally Posted by E.E.L. Ambiense
I've been a graphic designer and screen printer for going on 20 years now; 12 professionally. I sit next to, currently, an HP Laserjet 5100, about 2 feet from me.

Using a mobile phone hasn’t killed you either I presume? So don’t go making the assumption that a scanner wouldn’t be harmless on the basis of you being alive....

...and on that note; perhaps it's about time we start keeping an open mind to the accurate information, rather then always soaking up the misinformation?, the noise so to speak? just a thought, thats all.



Fact: the world would also be such a better and safer place if we extended, held on, and executed that thought! make of that statment as you please.
Quote completemadness 4th August 2007, 20:02
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Originally Posted by Flibblebot
What about the ozone that laser printers emit? Is that not more dangerous than toner?
Things dont emit "ozone" .....
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Originally Posted by Anakha
Isn't it ironic that the picture they chose to use to illustrate this story is an Inkjet printer...
Thats bit-tech putting the image there, like 1/4 of the news article pictures dont really relate that well
Quote Darkangel 5th August 2007, 20:00
How long was asbestos around before they banned it in the 80s because they found it caused cancer? Although like someone above said.. mobiles are still going strong, I work next to a mast etc. Not worth losing sleep over tbh.
Quote walle 6th August 2007, 19:05
...removed
Quote Cobalt 6th August 2007, 22:34
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Originally Posted by walle
Most people tend to think that using mobile phones are harmless too; having a 2 minute conversation in a mobile phone results in our brain waves getting disturbed for about 2 weeks....

...and on that note; How often, and for how long do you use your mobile phone? Do the maths, I take it your findings will be somewhat of a chocker.

Disturbed in what way? Is it actually harmful? Is there even a single confirmed case of a significant health problem being caused by mobile phone use?

Methinks you need to practice what you preach about misinformation.
Quote walle 7th August 2007, 15:56
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Originally Posted by Cobalt
Disturbed in what way?.

Mobile Phones disturb our brain waves frequency, with their frequency. (Causes people do get tired, causes headaches, disturbs our concentration [not referring to when driving] to name three)
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Originally Posted by Cobalt
Is it actually harmful? .

What do you think? I happen to believe so, and many with me. If you only view scientifically findings as valid, seek and you shall find.
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Originally Posted by Cobalt
Is there even a single confirmed case of a significant health problem being caused by mobile phone use? .

Those provided to the public, or those not provided to the public? And no, I’m not being a conspiracy theorist here. Cancer is believed to be related to mobile phone use, to name one. Parents are now (over here in Sweden) actually recommended, not to allow their young children to use mobile phones. I view it as a sign of accurate information finally is getting thru all the noise of misinformation.
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Originally Posted by Cobalt
Methinks you need to practice what you preach about misinformation.

A very interesting reply and approach by your part. A few questions though, Do you think that those Australian scientists work and findings will A: be noticed and financed more? B: disappear in the noise of misinformation? C: do you view it as misinformation?



cheers.
Quote completemadness 7th August 2007, 16:40
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Originally Posted by walle
Causes people do get tired, causes headaches, disturbs our concentration [not referring to when driving] to name three
Cant say Ive ever heard those complaints
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Parents are now (over here in Sweden) actually recommended, not to allow their young children to use mobile phones. I view it as a sign of accurate information finally is getting thru all the noise of misinformation.
Well as its still unproven, why take the risk ? but do the swedish government say not to use wireless AP's ? there were theories they are as bad as mobile phones
Quote DougEdey 7th August 2007, 17:05
I'd say don't let kids use mobiles because it's better for them to learn how to deal with someone face to face and use proper english.
Quote walle 7th August 2007, 20:28
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Originally Posted by completemadness
Cant say Ive ever heard those complaints

Your point is most certainly as accurate as your observation, but; couldn’t it be because both patients and doctors haven’t received the information, not knowing that mobile phone radiation is harmful; as a consequence the doctors don’t include it into their equation either, since they in turn…... If you think about this, how many of us are using mobile phones on a daily basis, for how many years have we used them, and so on. Wouldn’t it be safe to say then, that we don’t know how we would feel without being subjected to this mobile phone radiation? What I meant by that statement (or point) is that there are different degrees of harmful, and what causes headaches, loss of concentration and tiredness also can occur without being subjected to the radiation, which most likely also makes it more difficult for those scientists (that has proven that its harmful) to get to voice their opinion After all, we all experience these problems from time to time eh, so why should we listen to you telling us that its harmful, just shut them up and its over with approach, everyone have headaches and down the road it goes. But people are experiencing these problems (symptoms) much more often today and it’s a concern.


I find this topic as interesting as I find its core disturbing, unfortunately though, I’m hard pressed on time, my work load and its schedule is immense, I will therefore have to get back to the second part of your post as soon as I can, I would very much like to give you my take (view) on it.


Cheers.


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Originally Posted by DougEdey
I'd say don't let kids use mobiles because it's better for them to learn how to deal with someone face to face and use proper english.

Quoted for truth (if not so quoted for my philosophical view) oh mate, lets not forget to include the Swedish minors too as well as all others.;)
Quote mk-donald 8th August 2007, 22:58
I thought the health risk from laser printers/photocopiers from OZONE emissions had been recognised for years and idea of not having them exhausting near to you was well known ? I went laser to ink-jet about 5 years back, though that was a financial choice as won an all-in-one inkjet.
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