Crysis DX9 and DX10 Comparison

Ugh, hideously slow download rates....

I'll prob get flamed for this but I prefer the dx9 look for playing crysis. I "know" that the dx10 looks better but I find the motion blur a bit distracting.and would effect my play. However that aside both versions look insanely good, the DX10 version is like watching a real life movie it's scary. I wonder what crytek next game will look like?

Dunno about you but both the videos were around 20mb, not 50.

Originally Posted by Ramble
Dunno about you but both the videos were around 20mb, not 50.

thats what i was thinking. just a typo i assume

Is it just me, or on the vids, especially the second one, DX9 seems to be AA Off, or maybe only AAx2, but the DX10 ones have AA cranked up as far as it will go. Makes it looks a lot nicer, but it's not exactly as a result of DX10 now is it?

...still........downloading..........sloooooooowwww

Try the different severs, first one I tried had a top download speed of 20 Kb/s, second one leveled at 300. So yeah, try them all before you settle with one.

can't wait for this game, i should have a decently fast PC round about its release date :D

done finally....... anyone else think the 'death sounds' the enemies made sounded.... weird? lol

It doesn't really feel like these show anything, because each one uses a slightly different scene. There's no way to be objective in your comparison. Useless marketing, in other words :(

I totally agree spec, I also thought they were using slightly different versions of the same scene, specifically in the second video where it looks like they purposefully turned off effects like rain.
Are they basically saying they have disabled certain effects from DX9? I refuse to believe that DX9 cannot render the rain the second video in any way shape or form. Many other games already have rain.

Seems a little cheeky to me.

Originally Posted by specofdust
It doesn't really feel like these show anything, because each one uses a slightly different scene. There's no way to be objective in your comparison. Useless marketing, in other words :(

I agree completely! Shame that cant have a rolling demo of exactly the same thing with one showing DX9 and DX10. Also the server second from bottom was working at over 900KB/S for me!

Head to gametrailers if you want these video's faster.

Anyways.

The hunter video was obvious crap. The settings were lowered, no doubt.

Wasn't the first video that crytek even luanched for this game, in dx9?

hrmm interesting, the difference is there but not show stopping and I agree Bauul it's almost like they intentionally hobbled the dx9 version lower AA and such

To be honest, i was a little disapointed with both, but that my be due to my poor 7300 in my laptop, the tech demo's look alot better than those, but, does anybody know if crytek/ea are going to release a Demo to the public, or if the game is just going to be released straight out into the field?

Sam

Constant 500Kb/s . Honestly can't see any difference to be quite honest. Not like i have a rig that can play it anyway

My mac won't even run the vids lol

Originally Posted by Bauul
Is it just me, or on the vids, especially the second one, DX9 seems to be AA Off, or maybe only AAx2, but the DX10 ones have AA cranked up as far as it will go. Makes it looks a lot nicer, but it's not exactly as a result of DX10 now is it?

You do realise that DX10 is basically DX9 with a lot more overhead so features can be turned on in DX10 without a huge performance hit whereas in DX9 it would result in powerpoint style frame rates. People should really read up on DX10, people don't seem to understand the huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge improvement over DX9 it is....

Cute...the linked site is actually a french one...yay !!

Crysis will surely require a beast to be watchable/playable...so I'm out.

Originally Posted by pendragon
done finally....... anyone else think the 'death sounds' the enemies made sounded.... weird? lol

hehe, yea, i thought that as well.

edit- holy poop that was fast! 1mb/s download for me! I just went with number 2 and number 4 servers.

These sorta looked "staged" like they removed or turned off features in the DX9 version just to make DX10 look much better.

Originally Posted by exceededgoku
You do realise that DX10 is basically DX9 with a lot more overhead so features can be turned on in DX10 without a huge performance hit whereas in DX9 it would result in powerpoint style frame rates. People should really read up on DX10, people don't seem to understand the huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge improvement over DX9 it is....

I don't really beleive that, considering all the effects done in dx10 could have been done in 9 without a performance hit.

Take the Lost planet demo's for instance.

Originally Posted by wafflesomd
I don't really beleive that, considering all the effects done in dx10 could have been done in 9 without a performance hit.

Take the Lost planet demo's for instance.

Well obviously not, or they'd have done it via DX9.

They could have just disabled it to make DX9 look worse off, besides the jungle fight in DX9 all he did was slowly move around and shoot. While in DX10 he throws a grenade simply to make DX10 "look better" with having an explosion in it. I want a TRUE video comparison where they don't pull random stuff like this to make DX9 look worse off.

I'll admit right off that I don't know much about GPU architecture or the real differences between DX9 and DX10....but when videos like this are presented, I think it's only fair to off the public some precise explanation of exactly how the videos were created, so here's my 2cents:

...so maybe I missed the full explanation of the videos somewhere, but I'd be interested in knowing how they chose settings (and what video cards they used) for the DX9 and DX10 tests.

For example, if they're trying to show the greatness of DX10, I'd ask:

1) Did they use the same video card for both tests?

If not, they may have chosen a "top of the line" DX9-only card (I guess this would be an Nvidia 79xx or an ATI 19xx model) and used max possible settings to keep a given framerate for the DX9 test , and then used a "top of the line" DX10 card (ie: 8800GTX Ultra) in a similar way for the DX10 test-- obviously, this would result in much better video for the DX10 test, both because of the differences in cards/settings and because of the use of DX10....This sort of test sounds "fair" on first glance, but ends up really being a test of the hardware, and not of the software differences.

2) If they used the same video card in both tests, was the GPU utilization the same in both tests?

So, say they used an 8800GTX Ultra, and they used the max settings possible while keeping 30fps while forcing either DX9 or DX10. I'd wonder if the DX10 version might use ~100% of the GPU, while the DX9 version might only be able to use, say, ~75% since it can't utilize DX10-specific hardware. On one hand, this would show that with DX10 hardware, you get much better performance on DX10 games....but on the other hand, maybe you could have done the same if you just made it all DX9 hardware so parts of the GPU weren't left idle during the DX9 test -- in which case, couldn't games and hardware companies (and consumers) have saved some time and money by just advancing DX9 technology instead of making a bigger revamp for DX10?

3) As others have pointed out, might they have used different AA, etc. settings to make the video look different as well?

the jungle scene when he throws the grenade and the palm tree falls of the guys head.. rofl!

The only real difference i could see in both videos was that in the DX9 video the shadows of the plants and tree were just dark patches on the ground, in DX10 they looked like what a actual shadow looks like. And also the lighting was much better in DX10, the rays of light filtering through the high tree's. It looks awesome!

Rich has kindly mirrored these for us :)

These videos originate from NVIDIA's nZone site: http://www.nzone.com/object/nzone_crysis_videos.html

Also, the footage on those videos is very old. Both scenes were shown in May 2006 during E3. I don't know why NVIDIA put the videos online. I mean, the development of Crysis has gone forward so much since those videos were released that, as far as I know, it's highly likely that they don't even reflect the state Crysis is in now and, heck, the differences might even not be that great as shown in those ancient videos.

I'm willing to bet that the "proper" comparison videos will be released when Crysis is nearing completion and that, I think, is when we'll see the true differences.

If you look at the Hunter video there is quite an obvious difference in the way the smoke and flames are rendered, it looks much more detailed and realistic in the DX10 video. Also when the Hunter roars the smoke and flames are blown out the way, in the DX9 video they don't move.

"Meh".

When it all comes down to it: DX10 > DX9 and that is where the future of gaming is going and there are many reasons why. The 2 top reasons why are:

a) More graphical enhancements than DX9
b) Better use of rendering these enhancements leading to improved framerates overall

Of course, a lot of those gains come in terms of visually stunning effects that you can only see/experience when you are actually gaming, not just looking at a screenshot. Of course, once the internet speed increases it'll be easier to download videos that will help show off these enhancements. I mean just d/l the DX10 SDK and you'll see of the enhancements for yourself and why DX10 is on its way.

Anyways, just wait for Crysis to hit the shelves before you start judging whether DX10 is worth it or not, or else you're doing yourself a disfavor by basing it on 'aged' E3 Demos.