The new game hopes to tackle cultural misunderstandings; Richard Gere now wishes he played it, we bet.

The new game hopes to tackle cultural misunderstandings; Richard Gere now wishes he played it, we bet.

A computer game has been designed to help international students get to grips with British culture, the BBC reports.

The game is set in a 3D re-creation of the University of Portsmouth and gives players the task of getting through a day at the University while being exposed to some things that foreign students may not be used to. These include seeing women drinking and smoking and couples kissing in public.

One of the game's designers, senior lecturer Nipan Maniar, said that he too suffered from 'massive culture shock' when he first moved to England from India seven years ago.

"It was not just the environment I was in, but the teaching -- the relationship with tutors was very informal... So we thought we could devise a game that they could play on their mobile phones on the way here so they would know what to expect -- so they don't get so much of a culture shock."

A version of the mobile game, which has been received very well by students, is planned to help British students also. It is now in its final development stages and Maniar is hoping a commercial sponsor will step forward to help take the game the final mile.

The culture differences between India and the UK were outlined recently when an arrest warrant was issued for Richard Gere after he publicly kissed Shilpa Shetty, the Bollywood star who appeared in the recent Celebrity Big Brother.

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Quote Malfoleo 1st May 2007, 17:14
Now we just have to count the days until Jack hears about this and claims that it is the cause of cancer in school-children.
Quote devdevil85 1st May 2007, 17:29
OMG that is freaking hilarious. Richard you dog you! Idk, maybe the warrant was worth it cause Shelpa is so f*ing hot!
Quote BioSniper 1st May 2007, 18:05
Interesting that it's developed around Portsmouth uni. I guess all the "women drinking" will be around guild hall walk area.
The only thing this game will do is think that everyone in the UK has scrape-back hair (for the females) and wears anything with white trainers.

Is it me or do I come across as a little bitter/jaded? :p
Quote LeMaltor 1st May 2007, 18:36
Having played the Getaway and Getaway 2, I now feel I understand the cultures in that there London :p
Quote Hugo 1st May 2007, 19:29
Hmm, I find this hilarious, seeing as I shall (all going to plan) be starting at Portsmouth in September (Electronic Engineering), I will have to test this game and see if it does indeed, assist my moving to the area!
Quote Aankhen 1st May 2007, 20:05
The whole furore over a few stupid kisses was so completely retarded. Indians are acting like the biggest bloody hypocrites in the world.
Quote specofdust 1st May 2007, 20:15
Well I guess, if it helps fair enough.

I can't say I see it as that much of a big deal though, I mean anyone coming here from their home countries is likely to only find a country more liberal or as liberal as their own. So long as people aren't very immature there shouldn't be any problems.
Quote Hiren 1st May 2007, 20:29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aankhen
The whole furore over a few stupid kisses was so completely retarded. Indians are acting like the biggest bloody hypocrites in the world.

You ever actually been in India? If so then I guess you understand that public display's of affection are not conisdered appropriate. Whilst this may seem strange to Westerner it's quite the norm over there. Even Indian movies are banned from having extended kissing scenes.

It's just different no more right or wrong than the values of the west.
Quote ch424 1st May 2007, 20:37
spec, as you haven't personally been brought up in India then moved to the UK to be a student, do you really think you're in a position to say it's not a big deal for the people who do have to do it? It clearly is a big deal to this guy, because if it weren't, why would he be spending so much time on the project? Good on him - he's clearly trying to help people by offering to share what he's learnt from his experiences.

Aankhen, do you think you could justify the use of the word hypocrite there?

jai hind...
Quote Phil Rhodes 1st May 2007, 20:41
I choose not to live in India because I would find it difficult to put up with that sort of restriction. If people from India have a problem with public kissing, I would respectfully suggest that they should choose not to live here.

If new people are arriving, fine, be helpful, offer friendship, tolerance and understanding, but don't apologise for the local culture.

Phil
Quote specofdust 1st May 2007, 20:46
Quote:
Originally Posted by ch424
spec, as you haven't personally been brought up in India then moved to the UK to be a student, do you really think you're in a position to say it's not a big deal for the people who do have to do it? It clearly is a big deal to this guy, because if it weren't, why would he be spending so much time on the project? Good on him - he's clearly trying to help people by offering to share what he's learnt from his experiences.

What's to deal with? Informality with lecturers, people kissing(which I'm sure even the most sexually repressed country sees once or twice on the big screen) - it's hardly as if you need to learn to walk on the roof now is it?

I would be curious to hear of any "culture shock" people from india who moved over here experienced, and specifically what it was. I can't imagine there was really _that_ much that would be hard to get used to. Lot's of new and different things of course, but stuff that's hard to accept or aclimatise to I'd be interested in.
Quote ch424 1st May 2007, 20:54
Ironically enough I just got an email from an Indian friend (well, she's born in England but still has lots of Indian family and has spent a lot of time in India) saying she objects to the culture of this country when she compares it to the values people follow in India, and she doesn't like the way India is going in the same way. Of course you can get used to them, but the idea of this phone game is to prepare people for the culture shock, helping them get used to it before they even arrive. I'm not saying you can't get used to it; I don't think anyone is.
Quote DougEdey 1st May 2007, 20:59
£10 on the table says that they'll burn effigies over it.
Quote Kaboom22 1st May 2007, 21:27
Why is it my uni always gets such odd things in the press?

wait, don't answer that
Quote Aankhen 1st May 2007, 22:42
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiren
You ever actually been in India?
Yes, seeing as how I'm Indian and lived there until last September. :) The whole Indian attitude towards public displays of affection is utter hypocrisy.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiren
Even Indian movies are banned from having extended kissing scenes.
No, actually, they aren't. Select movies are pulled up on charges of being "obscene" (that is, showing one scene where the lead actors are kissing each other), while others include kiss upon kiss with nary a warning from either censors or media.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ch424
Aankhen, do you think you could justify the use of the word hypocrite there?
Let me just say that India does not have a population of one billion people because babies grow on trees. :)

Finally, just to be clear, I fully support the technique mentioned in the article to alleviate culture shock, since (hypocrisy or not) this culture shock does exist, so softening it can only be a good thing. My comments were addressed towards the reaction to a few kisses from Richard Gere.
Quote Krikkit 1st May 2007, 23:38
Personally, I struggle to imagine a society where (public) personal affection is seen as wrong, it's just so alien from UK culture, especially from the culture which introduced the Brits to the Karma Sutra. :p (I know someone will probably say "Actually it was..." but tough.)
Quote Phil Rhodes 1st May 2007, 23:38
> saying she objects to the culture of this country

Fine, great, no problem. Leave.

Phil
Quote specofdust 2nd May 2007, 00:04
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes
> saying she objects to the culture of this country

Fine, great, no problem. Leave.

Phil

Dude I'm going to be honest, you're coming across as a complete xenophobe. I have a problem with heavy duty public displays of affection if I'm honest. Not the odd peck on the cheek but heavy stuff. Everyone has their limits set at different points. The point is I recognise it's doing me no harm and can ignore it. That's why I said earlier that none of this should be a big deal to anyone who's reasonably mature.

Everyone has different limits, so long as you're not being harmed or directly effected you can just choose to ignore it. Just because people from another country don't like something about their new host country doesn't mean they should automatically leave - and you being so quick to suggest they do is slightly saddening.
Quote zoom314 2nd May 2007, 04:11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiren
You ever actually been in India? If so then I guess you understand that public displays of affection are not considered appropriate. Whilst this may seem strange to Westerner it's quite the norm over there. Even Indian movies are banned from having extended kissing scenes.

It's just different no more right or wrong than the values of the west.
That is true. But an arrest warrant for Richard Gere for Kissing? He is not in India anymore, No country on Earth would extradite Him for that. Maybe back in the 17th or 18th centuries, maybe, But certainly not today.
Quote ch424 2nd May 2007, 07:25
Well said spec, that's exactly how I feel too. As already said, you can object but still ignore it.
Quote DougEdey 2nd May 2007, 07:26
Quote:
Originally Posted by specofdust
Stuff in reply to Phil Rhodes

I agree with what you're saying, however, I think Phil was more going towards the terrorist aspect of things.

Most of the terrorist suspects/training camps are aimed at people who do not agree with the Western way of life and then go to create mass mayhem, murder and destruction.

In that case I would say, if you don't like the way we live, just don't live here, we aren't forcing you to.
Quote specofdust 2nd May 2007, 11:14
Quote:
Originally Posted by DougEdey
I agree with what you're saying, however, I think Phil was more going towards the terrorist aspect of things.

Most of the terrorist suspects/training camps are aimed at people who do not agree with the Western way of life and then go to create mass mayhem, murder and destruction.

In that case I would say, if you don't like the way we live, just don't live here, we aren't forcing you to.

Terrorist :O

Wow, I'm amazed you brought that one up. In the last 50 years the only people who've been blowing stuff up in this country has been either British nationals or Irish people. Hardly puts indians in the front line of being suspected(unless you're a moron, which I'm not sayin you are).

I'm not trying to imply that we should be apoligists for our culture, or that it should be changed in order to comply with the desires of immigrants or visitors. Far from it. However I think it's a concerningly disproportionate response to instantly jump from people having a problem(that they can live with) about our culture to telling them to leave if they don't like it. They don't have to like everything - and they'd be remarkable if they did.
Quote DougEdey 2nd May 2007, 11:18
Quote:
Originally Posted by specofdust
Terrorist :O

Wow, I'm amazed you brought that one up. In the last 50 years the only people who've been blowing stuff up in this country has been either British nationals or Irish people. Hardly puts indians in the front line of being suspected(unless you're a moron, which I'm not sayin you are).

I'm not trying to imply that we should be apoligists for our culture, or that it should be changed in order to comply with the desires of immigrants or visitors. Far from it. However I think it's a concerningly disproportionate response to instantly jump from people having a problem(that they can live with) about our culture to telling them to leave if they don't like it. They don't have to like everything - and they'd be remarkable if they did.

Sorry, should have stated that I mean cultures not people, it's the culture/religion that causes the problem in my view.
Quote CardJoe 2nd May 2007, 11:22
Ultimately, nobody has the right to not be offended. If people go to another country and can't cope with the culture they are giving three choices; try and change it, cope with it, leave it.

Obviously, changing it isn't always possible and leaving it isn't always the most appropriate option. So, people cope with it. That the issue hasn't been in the public eye much until now illustrates how well most people do this. Developing a small, mobile game to help speed this process up and acclimatise others to our country is obviously a good thing - it'll make our country more diverse and welcoming to others and will show them what to expect from our nation. It's not like this game cost 50 million quid to make.

Lets not make this a terrorist debate, because i'm willing to bet that none of us are objective and knowledgeable enough to discuss it sensibly, including me. Games and gadgets, yes. International terrorism rings and the secret elite forces combatting their conspiracies on an international scale? I doubt it.

Unless, Alextwo works for MI5, which I've recently begun to suspect based on his knowledge of bugs: http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=132873
Quote yodasarmpit 2nd May 2007, 11:27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Rhodes
> saying she objects to the culture of this country

Fine, great, no problem. Leave.

Phil
Leave the country of her birth because she has some objections as to the culture, hmmm ???

There is a lot I dislike about this country but I have no intention of leaving.

As for the Richard Gere kiss, regardless of cultural differences that is just ludicrous.
Quote Darkedge 2nd May 2007, 12:26
ignoring the stupid 'Don't like it - leave' comments..

but the English seems lacking here "A version of the mobile game, which has been received very well by students, is planned to help British students also."

nitpicking but wouldn't the following read better? "A mobile version of the game, which has been received very well by students, is planned to help British students also."
;)
Quote ch424 2nd May 2007, 12:36
I think CardJoe has a bit of a point here... Plus we all seem to agree fundamentally (except Phil's comment that seems so utterly insensitve that he must have meant something else) - we're just misinterpreting each other.
Quote Phil Rhodes 2nd May 2007, 20:15
I'm not a xenophobe, and I resent the implication.

If I go to someone else's house, I don't complain about the wallpaper. If I go to other countries (as I regularly do) I don't complain about their customs, at least not with any expectation of anyone giving a damn. Personally I think it's absolutely ludicrous to make women wear headscarves or prevent them from driving cars, and I'll direct as much scorn as I can at such practices. What I don't do is go live in Iran and start blasting on about it with the implication that I expect someone to change it for me. I choose to live there, I choose to deal with it as it is or I take personal responsibility for changing it if I can, anyone cares, etc. What I don't do is whine.

If you want to live somewhere where public displays of affection are verboten, such places exist. If you want to live somewhere there are schools teaching your own personal brand of imaginary-friend worship, such places exist. What you can't reasonably do is say, OK, I'll move to the UK and enjoy the first-world living conditions, free healthcare and high levels of employment, but hang on, I also want it to be exactly like home in every other way.

Not only is this cultural imperialism (for which the western world is often-enough decried), it's just boring - I don't travel to places in the hope that everything would be exactly the same as London. I love to travel. I don't want the whole world to become a homogenised blob of identicality.

Phil
Quote ch424 2nd May 2007, 21:05
Phil, you're right with respect to whining being a bit pointless, but look at CardJoe's second paragraph. If you're born in England, that's your country, whatever your ethnicity. I can object to parts of the culture here (and I do, as does spec from what he said about public displays of affection), and you don't tell me to go home. Judging by your 'leave' comment, if I were to tell you my dad was born in Singapore, that might make you tell me to go and live there, even though I am British and have lived in England all my life... however, as an 18 year old, still at school, moving to another country isn't really going to happen. And I don't want to move, as you said, I'm happy with my healthcare and job prospects here.
Quote specofdust 2nd May 2007, 21:13
Yes, fine, but when you go to someone elses house you might have a problem with them saying grace(or not saying it), you may find their wallpaper horrific or their manners while in their home lacking or way OTT.

My point is that it's fine to have problems with things, it's obviously not fine to constantly whine about a culture of a country you just moved to, or to try to change it significantly. But it's fine not to like it, that's allowed.

No-one said anything about actually wanting to change the UK's culture here, people have only talked about incomers having trouble getting used to it, and having problems with aspects of it(which to re-iterate, is fine and perfectly understandable).

As for the idea that anyone from India who's moved to the UK doesn't have healthcare, good working conditions, or experience a high level of employment in their area, that's fairly unlikely imo. People who can afford to move half way around the world from an industrial superpower to a country like our own, are likely to have all of those things.
Quote Phil Rhodes 2nd May 2007, 23:09
Sure, absolutely.

We just shouldn't have to put up with is people saying "Oh, things should be more like they are in country X."

I'm just trying to advocate people taking a little bit of personal responsibility for things. My vitriol is borne of having suffered many, many countries other than the UK who are very ready to say "This is how we are, you must conform, if you don't like it, get lost." Living in the west, we're so often the subject of criticism in this regard, but when you get down to it, we're one of the most tolerant cultures in the world. Try and find a Christian school in Iran.

Phil
Quote specofdust 2nd May 2007, 23:16
There are actually christian communities in Iran, I'm happy to say. They've been increasingly demonised in recent years unfortunately, rather like muslims in this country.

Interesting I think, how demonised muslims in the UK and demonised Christians in Iran have more in common with each other than the religious majorities in the opposite country.
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