Do you think there's a case for internet addiction?

Do you think there's a case for internet addiction?

Today's "News from the Weird" article:

A former employee of IBM has sued the company for $5 million over what he deems a "wrongful dismissal." According to the reports, he used office time and computers to log into an adult chatroom whilst on the job. Though he claims he was called away before engaging in any direct chatting, another employee reported his actvities. He was fired the next day.

The employee, James Pacenza, is claiming that he is an internet addict who deserves treatment rather than a pink slip. According to his lawyer, Mr. Pacenza has been self-treating a severe case of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) by his online activities. He apparently obtained PTSD from watching one of his close friends get killed in Vietnam.

Pacenza is arguing that the PTSD turned him into a sex/internet addict, and that he should be afforded treatment just like an alcoholic or drug addict. He may not be all wet, either - a recent Stanford study found 14% of people acknowledging that they have neglected some crucial aspect of their lives in order to surf the internet. Most companies, including IBM, offer treatment programs for their employees that are struggling to overcome addictions.

IBM has already asked a judge to dismiss the case, stating that its policy against surfing sexual internet sites whilst at work is very explicit. If the judge chooses to let the case proceed to trial, it could have very large implications for non-work related web surfing and how companies treat it.

Do you have a thought on the dismissal or subsequent lawsuit? How about on internet addiction in general? Let us know about it in our forums.
Quote DougEdey 20th February 2007, 15:15
He was an idiot. He broke the contract he signed. He should have sought help.
Quote Mother-Goose 20th February 2007, 15:15
If he wins that is a mockery.
Quote plagio 20th February 2007, 15:20
He deserved to be fired period.
Feel sorry for his disease but he clearly broke the contract he signed
Quote Awoken 20th February 2007, 15:44
Disease? Please, there are people with real diseases out there. He may/may not have a mental health issue but its not something that he couldn't have sought help for. This culture of scapgoating and people not taking responsibility is ridiculous and wastes tax payers money.
Quote .exe 20th February 2007, 16:36
People now a days will sue anyone for any reason. This guy clearly broke the rules and should take responsibility, not make up some excuse to sue.
Quote supermonkey 20th February 2007, 16:41
He doesn't have a disease. He has an addiction that he apparently is using to self-treat PTSD. He has issues, and hopefully he'll get the professional help that he needs.

If he had brought the issue to his Human Resources people, then IBM would most likely have helped him get the counseling he needs. Most companies these days have an employee assistance program in place. Instead, he chose to log on to an adult site while on the job, using a work computer. Under the terms of his employment, IBM was just in firing him. It would be the same if he had been caught shooting up in the restroom.

-monkey
Quote plagio 20th February 2007, 16:47
right, issues, not disease. I agree
Quote DXR_13KE 20th February 2007, 17:03
this news sounds familiar... like deja-vu.... this news or a news similar to this has been posted in the past.

anyway IBM was in their rights to sack him.
mental illnesses are not a soft matter.... they can kill you or the people around you.... if you don't treat it correctly.
Quote randosome 20th February 2007, 17:41
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Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
this news sounds familiar... like deja-vu.... this news or a news similar to this has been posted in the past.

anyway IBM was in their rights to sack him.
mental illnesses are not a soft matter.... they can kill you or the people around you.... if you don't treat it correctly.
yeah i swear this is really really old news
Quote Fod 20th February 2007, 17:45
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its policy against surfing sexual internet sites whilst at work is very explicit.

nice choice of words, there :D
Quote devenfore 20th February 2007, 17:49
Why do people think they have a right to work somewhere? IMO you should be able to fire anyone for anything anytime. It's your company, you're in it to make money. If you have an employee with an illness (mental or physical), then it is up to you whether or not to keep paying them / keep them as a potential liability.
Quote Wolfe 20th February 2007, 19:30
If I recall correctly, you can get fired for having a drug / alcohol habit as well.




How is that a defense?
Quote randosome 20th February 2007, 20:46
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Originally Posted by devenfore
Why do people think they have a right to work somewhere? IMO you should be able to fire anyone for anything anytime. It's your company, you're in it to make money. If you have an employee with an illness (mental or physical), then it is up to you whether or not to keep paying them / keep them as a potential liability.
as long as you have a just reason to fire them, i think that's fair enuff

although on the disability front, its a bit harsh if you break your arm, through no fault of your own then get fired
Quote HourBeforeDawn 20th February 2007, 22:04
lol Im sorry tv addiction. drug addiction, in this guys case an internet porn addiction is his issue not that of the company and if he cant do his job correctly then he should be fired instead of babied or else we would have even more pathetic people in this world. How pathetic.
Quote Glider 20th February 2007, 22:22
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Originally Posted by devenfore
Why do people think they have a right to work somewhere? IMO you should be able to fire anyone for anything anytime. It's your company, you're in it to make money. If you have an employee with an illness (mental or physical), then it is up to you whether or not to keep paying them / keep them as a potential liability.
Sorry, but I hope you catch a cold, and can't come to work because of it for a week. Then if you come back your boss has kicked you out because he payed you a week (which is 1/4th of your months wages) and you haven't done squat...
Quote cpemma 20th February 2007, 22:36
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Originally Posted by Glider
Sorry, but I hope you catch a cold, and can't come to work because of it for a week.
That doesn't clash with devenfore's argument. When your boss looks at your value to his company he should take into account absences for whatever reason. If he's happy with your record and wants to keep you despite your faults, that's OK. He's footing the bill.
Quote devenfore 20th February 2007, 23:31
Exactly. What I meant is that the boss should be LEGALLY able to fire anyone he/she pleases, however I would hope that he/she takes into account personal matters, etc.
Quote Glider 20th February 2007, 23:35
And that is precisely what I dislike... If your boss all of a sudden dislikes your face he can fire you? TBH that isn't fair... If you don't do your job, or take a piss at everything, or willingly stay "ill" at home then the boss has reasons to fire you, but not at random
Quote Dr Dark 21st February 2007, 09:31
This is actually OLD news - seem to remember this from August last year...

And yes, if he'd sought help, things might have been different...

Claiming "addiction" just because you've been caught doing something you know full well you shouldn't is a load of crap.

I use MSN a lot at work - only in the office, and am careful to whom I talk, and how long I use it... If I'm on a clients site, I can't use it....

If I was caught messing about - like several people here have, then I'd damn well expect to be fired with no mercy. :'(
Quote mikeuk2004 21st February 2007, 16:04
Come on bit tech, dont need to repost old news when the day is slow
Quote ralph.pickering 22nd February 2007, 11:12
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Originally Posted by devenfore
Exactly. What I meant is that the boss should be LEGALLY able to fire anyone he/she pleases, however I would hope that he/she takes into account personal matters, etc.

That's bulls**t and you know it. The reason there is employment law is so that people have to have good reasons and due process when someone is employed or terminated. If someone gets pregnant you can't fire them for that (with some exceptions like, I believe, the military). If someone is HIV positive, but it doesn't affect their ability to do their job, you can't fire them. You don't like that someone is gay or lesbian, tough - get used to it because you can't get fired for that either. The law is there to protect vulnerable people against ignorant twits who for for one reason or another have come to run a business.

BUT, there are equally ignorant peasants who are no good at their job or take the piss, and then pull out the minority /disability / sexual discrimination card when they're legitimately fired. In this case, IBM probably could have saved themselves a fair amount of hassle if they'd given him a verbal warning; then a written warning if his behaviour hadn't changed, and finally fired him.
Quote Tulatin 24th February 2007, 03:31
He's using company property on company time to do non company related, sexually explicit actions, which, if under the wrong circumstances could bring them at fault under the eye of a court of law - for example if he had a thing for age play.
Quote mikeuk2004 26th February 2007, 00:29
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Originally Posted by devenfore
Exactly. What I meant is that the boss should be LEGALLY able to fire anyone he/she pleases, however I would hope that he/she takes into account personal matters, etc.

It just aint that easy anymore and I agree.

We had a guy who was fired which took 2 years to fire him. My employer needed 2 years evidence to be back up the desision incase of an employment tribunal. This guy had a illness, some kind of mental disorder, stutter, was Bi sexual and stunk of BO all the time. He had lots of cards to play on if he took the employer to a tribunal.

When it came to sacking him the team he worked with were asked to leave and stay in the canteen and then called in the police ready to escort him from the building after they told him. He kicked off and went mental and destroyed the place while the police chucked him out.

He was not safe to work with but they could not just sack him. Because all these crazy laws now it took 2 years before he got sacked while in the process cause alot of stress for the people he worked with and they were scared all this time. People had left the job because they couldnt work under these conditions because of this one person.

1 person made the lifes of 40 hell. Do you really think its fair that an employer can not just fire someone just like that anymore?
Quote Glider 26th February 2007, 01:02
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Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
1 person made the lifes of 40 hell. Do you really think its fair that an employer can not just fire someone just like that anymore?
TBH, YES! Your example is one that shows that laws can be overprotective, but still they are needed.

For example, you are a great employee, do your job perfectly, but also mess around with the boss' wife. You get caught (by the boss). Now, do you think it's fair that you get sacked, because you messed around with his wife, and he wants to get back to you? Something totally irrelevant to how you do your job, how you behave at work, how your co-workers think about you,...
Quote Veles 26th February 2007, 06:26
Although it wouldn't be fair to be sacked, it's probably the best thing in that situation, or at least to leave willingly, would you want to work under a man who has it in for you?
Quote ChromeX 26th February 2007, 10:18
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Originally Posted by Veles
would you want to work under a man who has it in for you?
Personally no, but you might be the sadistic sort who would just because you know he cant sack you :)
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