With AACS now hacked player-side, how long can DRM on HD-DVD and Blu-ray survive?

With AACS now hacked player-side, how long can DRM on HD-DVD and Blu-ray survive?

Last month, we brought you the news that hacker Muslix64 had cracked AACS on Blu-ray, shortly after he went to town on AACS on HD-DVD.

What Muslix was able to do was track down the AACS keys on the individual discs, thus showing the world how to crack each HD title in turn.

Now another hacker, Arnezami, has taken things a step further and found the one, universal AACS key that will decrypt every Blu-ray and HD-DVD title protected with AACS copy protection - effectively cracking the player aspect of the system, rather than the disc.

He managed to do this without going into the copy protection, breaking any laws, or messing around. He spent a lot of time just looking at the data loaded into memory by discs and the player on his PC, and discovered that the player-side key wasn't kept in memory. The Media Key, as the player-side key is called, is only in memory for a short amount of time, but Arnezami wrote software which would memory dump a small area of memory at the time he suspected the Media Key would need to be loaded and, as it happens, he was right.

Of course, it could be that this particular key - belonging to one of the software PC programmes - could be revoked in the future. But, since the hacking community now knows how to go about finding the key, any future revisions of PC software could be hacked in seconds - the only thing that would prevent this would be a re-writing of the AACS standard!

It seems that HD DRM is really in trouble with this latest announcement. The encryption that took years to perfect and millions to build has been compromised in weeks by hackers who haven't even reverse engineered anything to do it.

What are your thoughts on this latest development? Let us know over in the forums.
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Quote E-Jungle 13th February 2007, 17:32
E-Jungle is saying the only thing that everybody who knows this game has been saying all along: told you so!

This was inevitably going to happen, and now it did..... let's see what happens next.
Quote alastor 13th February 2007, 17:33
Pwnd
Quote Snaek 13th February 2007, 17:36
If you can code it, someone can hack it.
Quote ChromeX 13th February 2007, 17:37
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaek
If you can code it, someone can hack it.
yup, all it takes is a lil time!
Quote Firehed 13th February 2007, 17:40
Good. I refuse to invest into either format until I can make fair use copies of my purchase (ie, rip them to insanely huge xvid/h264 avi files).
Quote Flibblebot 13th February 2007, 17:40
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChromeX
yup, all it takes is a lil time!
...and in this case, a scarily short amount of time - for something that was supposed to be unbreakable.
Quote Da Dego 13th February 2007, 17:46
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flibblebot
...and in this case, a scarily short amount of time - for something that was supposed to be unbreakable.
Hahah...April 14, 1912.

'Nuff said about "unbreakable." The more intent we are on such ego, the more we stack the deck against us. :)
Quote rupbert 13th February 2007, 17:48
Considering the amount of money that has been spent on HD encryption, this is seriously bad news for those involved with its implementation...
Quote Fod 13th February 2007, 17:50
oopsy. someone dropped the ball there just a bit.
Quote plagio 13th February 2007, 17:59
hahahahhahahahaha This is a fantastic news.
They got seriously pwned. :D :D :D
Quote mclean007 13th February 2007, 18:13
Quelle surprise. I must say, I'm surprised it's this quick, but it was inevitable.

"unbreakable" - hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha - when will they realise that DRM is fatally and fundamentally flawed - in order for legitimate users to be able to play the encrypted disc, either the disc or the player must know the key to decrypt it. Since both discs and players are in the public domain, they will always always always be vulnerable to being cracked. All it takes is some sufficiently determined clever people with the right tools (which they or other determined clever people can always manufacture) and a bit of time.
Quote Lazarus Dark 13th February 2007, 18:14
Though this is no surprise to anyone, it is still reason for a victory dance.

*stands up and does a little jig*

If you give us the keys to unlock drm, well then someone is going to figure out how to use that key, duh. Maybe they should start selling us media without the keys, yknow so we can never watch it. Idiots.
Quote ozstrike 13th February 2007, 18:21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lazarus Dark
Maybe they should start selling us media without the keys, yknow so we can never watch it. Idiots.

Don't give them ideas
Quote Kurayamino 13th February 2007, 18:30
PWNED!!! Terrible you cant burn your itunes purchases to an MP3 CD, but now maybe you will be able too!
Quote AcidJiles 13th February 2007, 18:42
I am so suprised oh wait no im not.
Quote Hugo 13th February 2007, 18:46
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChromeX
yup, all it takes is a lil time!

All to true...

Considering the amount of time that went into developing AACS you';d have thought they'd at least have made it a bit harder

AACS Developer 1: "Hmmm, we need to get the key into the program somehow... I know, lets just put it into RAM, no-one will think of looking there!"

AACS Developer 2: "Cool, and how about we say that AACS is unbreakable? No-one will ever wast their time trying to crack it if we tell them that!"

It's true, Piracy does cost the consumer millions, just not in the way the publishing houses would have you think...
Quote Breach 13th February 2007, 18:59
This is just as stupid as the the uber hacks of early DRM protected CDs by putting tape or felt marker over part of the CD to break it.

Ah DRM, how you make us laugh

They do know the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, right? :D

Maybe next time theyll just release the hacks as not to waste hackers precious time
Quote Zut 13th February 2007, 20:00
Everybody knows it, and big corporate types are actually starting to say it... DRM has failed!

This should serve as a cue to the big media companies to find an alternative to DRM.
Quote Tyinsar 13th February 2007, 20:46
Not surprised that it happened but that it happened so fast - How long was DVD out before tools like DVDShrink were readily available?
Quote quack 13th February 2007, 20:46
Woo... fantastic news. I can't wait for BD+ to hit now, so that can be cracked too.
Quote RTT 13th February 2007, 20:47
Woooot :D
Quote Veles 13th February 2007, 20:52
XD

Yet another thing showing the world that DRM is just an expensive waste of time. People will always find a way around this stuff, so why bother in the first place?

Why bother making PC games that require the disk to be in the drive?
Quote DXR_13KE 13th February 2007, 20:56
every one that predicted this say "PWND".

OMG MY ****ing hears!!!!!!! i am deaf!!!!!!!
Quote randosome 13th February 2007, 21:04
Quote:
The encryption that took years to perfect and millions to build has been compromised in weeks by hackers who haven't even reverse engineered anything to do it.
I think that about sums up DRM in general, I still remember when Sony brought out a new copy protection scheme, and it was cracked in mere days, so they closed down DVD Decrypter ...

The funny thing these days is, that these super complicated DRM methods are being cracked faster then when DRM/Copy Protection was first introduced
Quote otispunkmeyer 13th February 2007, 21:35
lol, they should of given up on DRM and copy protection along time ago. they're jus pissing in the wind.

do they even really bother making good copy protection? or do they put some half baked attempt up so that they can prosecute people who break it.?
Quote Solidus 13th February 2007, 22:03
LOLOLOLOLOLOL
Well im glad, im getting tired of being told what i can do with my purchases - If i buy something - Its mine to do what i please with. If i sell a car, im not going to restrict the new owner on who can bloody well sit in it or drive it now am i?
Sure that logic is flawed but yeh we shouldnt have such restrictions, if people want to buy something then they will reguardless of piracy or not - the other article shows this.
Quote eddtox 13th February 2007, 22:18
As nelson from the simpsons so brilliantly put it, HA! HA! :D

-ed out
Quote cebla 13th February 2007, 23:34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Archangel

AACS Developer 1: "Hmmm, we need to get the key into the program somehow... I know, lets just put it into RAM, no-one will think of looking there!"

And how else are you going to to have the program use the key if its not in RAM? :?
Quote randosome 13th February 2007, 23:37
Quote:
Originally Posted by cebla
And how else are you going to to have the program use the key if its not in RAM? :?
they could atleast encrypt it if its going to be stored in ram
Quote _DTM2000_ 13th February 2007, 23:53
I was having a really bad day until I read this. I couldn't figure out why a customers VPN connection wouldn't work through our firewall, didn't have any idea what to buy my other half for valentines day and was felling generally rubbish. Then I read the headline "Hackers decimate AACS encryption" in my rss reader and all at once was filled with a warm fuzzy feeling. Theres not much that perks me up like hearing about DRM getting cracked. Shortly after reading this I figured out the VPN problem and thought up several fantastic gift ideas. Thankyou Arnezami for brightening up my day! :D
Quote speedfreek 14th February 2007, 00:02
Quote:
Originally Posted by Veles
XD

Yet another thing showing the world that DRM is just an expensive waste of time. People will always find a way around this stuff, so why bother in the first place?

Why bother making PC games that require the disk to be in the drive?
Yep. ;)
Quote knowyourenemy 14th February 2007, 00:16
The only way DRM would have ever worked is if it somehow spawned ninjas in the hacker's living room to prevent the attempt!
Quote DXR_13KE 14th February 2007, 00:19
Quote:
Originally Posted by knowyourenemy
The only way DRM would have ever worked is if it somehow spawned ninjas in the hacker's living room to prevent the attempt!

don't give them ideas.
Quote David_Fitzy 14th February 2007, 00:49
Quote:
Originally Posted by DXR_13KE
Quote:
Originally Posted by knowyourenemy

The only way DRM would have ever worked is if it somehow spawned ninjas in the hacker's living room to prevent the attempt!
don't give them ideas.
I dunno at least hiring 1 ninja per copy would probably be cheaper than the current method of copy protection (not that the consumer would see any of those savings)

EDIT:
PS.
OMGPWNDLMAOROFL!!!!11 WTF? :|
Quote Havok154 14th February 2007, 03:14
This is the type of news that just puts a HUGE smile on my face. Just knowing those greedy, condescending, over-confident movie companies just threw away millions of dollars for no reason then to give us a good laugh a couple weeks later.
Quote r4tch3t 14th February 2007, 03:34
Headline news,
Quote:
Originally Posted by Some guy
The Music and Film industry has finally admitted to being wrong. "In the last fiscal year, the creation of new DRM and anti piracy measures has cost our company more than the revenue lost to piracy since the invention of the cassette tape"
From way back when
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o267/r4tch3t/200px-Home_taping_is_killing_music.png
And music sure is dead huh.
Quote knowyourenemy 14th February 2007, 04:01
So dreadfully ironic. 'Love it.
Quote Fozzy 14th February 2007, 04:28
That's awesome but at roughly 20 gigs per movie a 750gb HD MIGHT hold about 37 movies.....That's pretty rough. Would be really awesome if we had 2 TB drives out
Quote Cthippo 14th February 2007, 05:07
Thank god for people like this! Truly, you have made the world a better place :D :D
Quote airchie 14th February 2007, 11:23
ROFL!!!

Seriously PWND!! :D

I seriously wonder how long its going to take the record companies to wake up and smell the coffee??
Quote quack 14th February 2007, 14:36
Or even the movie companies since this is copy protection for movies. ;)
Quote mclean007 14th February 2007, 14:51
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurayamino
PWNED!!! Terrible you cant burn your itunes purchases to an MP3 CD, but now maybe you will be able too!
wtf? AACS has nothing whatsoever to do with Fairplay, Apple's DRM for iTMS purchased tracks. The reason you can't burn them to an MP3 CD is that they are not MP3 tracks. You can (AFAIK) burn them to a standard audio CD, which I would say is pretty decent of Apple. Of all the cruddy DRM systems out there, Fairplay (limited burn to CD, up to 5 licensed computers IIRC) is the fairest IMO.
Quote Kurayamino 14th February 2007, 19:02
Quote:
Originally Posted by mclean007
wtf? AACS has nothing whatsoever to do with Fairplay, Apple's DRM for iTMS purchased tracks. The reason you can't burn them to an MP3 CD is that they are not MP3 tracks. You can (AFAIK) burn them to a standard audio CD, which I would say is pretty decent of Apple. Of all the cruddy DRM systems out there, Fairplay (limited burn to CD, up to 5 licensed computers IIRC) is the fairest IMO.

Im aware it isnt the same, and having to take an alternative method to burn them!! Ok allow me to change how I put that to burn A Music CD! Mclean007 y take such a high horse approach ;) CALM DOWN!
Quote mclean007 15th February 2007, 08:55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurayamino
Im aware it isnt the same, and having to take an alternative method to burn them!! Ok allow me to change how I put that to burn A MSN CD! Mclean007 y take such a high horse approach ;) CALM DOWN!
Still don't have a clue what you're going on about. As for taking a high horse approach, I was only trying to be helpful and explain something that, from your previous post, you didn't seem to understand. Maybe you need to take a bit more time to explain what you mean when you post. For example, what do you mean by "Ok allow me to change how I put that to burn A MSN CD!" I don't think that's even a sentence, let alone one that makes sense. In any event, next time you post some rambling rubbish, I shaln't bother you with my response.
Quote airchie 15th February 2007, 09:22
Quote:
Originally Posted by quack
Or even the movie companies since this is copy protection for movies. ;)
Smart-ass! :D

Either way, they're all money-grabbing a-holes! :(
Quote Kurayamino 15th February 2007, 19:25
Quote:
Originally Posted by mclean007
Still don't have a clue what you're going on about. As for taking a high horse approach, I was only trying to be helpful and explain something that, from your previous post, you didn't seem to understand. Maybe you need to take a bit more time to explain what you mean when you post. For example, what do you mean by "Ok allow me to change how I put that to burn A MSN CD!" I don't think that's even a sentence, let alone one that makes sense. In any event, next time you post some rambling rubbish, I shaln't bother you with my response.

Please allow me to make my point again for you, since you quite clearly had missed it, was just because this post was on the subject of protecion of what was generally on the disc. Whether that be a film ,audio cd or even via download. So all that I was saying was I wonder if people will take on the iTunes protected music! Im sorry if my pondering caused you any offense as it seems to have done!

In future if you could remember when trying to help someone that maybe you do it in a nice way, or parhaps ask them to explain what they mean instead of trying to make them look stupid!

Thanks
Quote quack 15th February 2007, 21:52
The iTunes DRM (FairPlay) is already broken.
Quote Kurayamino 15th February 2007, 23:01
Quote:
Originally Posted by quack
The iTunes DRM (FairPlay) is already broken.

Really? I stopped buying stuff from there a while ago, a mini protest if you like. Do you have a link?
Quote Tyinsar 16th February 2007, 00:28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kurayamino
... Do you have a link?
Probably easy to find but posting it here might be a violation of Bit-Tech's rules (not against you but for their own protection).
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