Windows could have a new version - Vienna - by 2009.

Windows could have a new version - Vienna - by 2009.

According to PCWorld, Microsoft has been talking about the next versions of Windows at the RSA conference.

Ben Fathi is a senior VP at Microsoft, and he has let on that the next major release of Windows, codenamed Vienna, should ship to consumers in 2009 - a swift move on from Vista, which took more than 5 years to get out the door.

Fathi said that there were "Significant improvements that we wanted to make in Vista that we couldn't deliver in one release," which has led to the aggressive scheduling of the new version.

Full-blown virtualisation could be on the cards, enabling ultra-secure operation and possibly making viruses a thing of the past. Running Windows itself within an virtualised environment could prevent low-level access to key hardware and software, making it harder for malicious software to embed itself in the OS.

Fathi also noted that "We're going to look at a fundamental piece of enabling technology. Maybe its hypervisors, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's a new user interface paradigm for consumers." So, as well as hypervisor-style virtualisation, perhaps we'll see a new spin on the interface that has dominated the world since 1995. There is also speculation that WinFS could finally debut in Vienna.

Fiji is the codename for Vista SP1, and we are still expecting to see that before the year is out.

What do you expect from the next version of Windows? Let us know over in the forums.
Quote DougEdey 12th February 2007, 08:39
Sorry, but I have to say bollocks to it.

Vista is nowhere near what it should be, what happened to the Four Pillars of Longhorn eh?
Quote KriTip 12th February 2007, 08:50
That'll be 2012 at least then :P
Quote Woodstock 12th February 2007, 09:11
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Originally Posted by KriTip
That'll be 2012 at least then :P
you sure it will be so soon
Quote sinizterguy 12th February 2007, 09:28
Bloody hell. They just released Vista a few weeks ago, want to charge £350+ for the version with everything and they have the gall to say that there will be a new version of windows coming out in 2 years ?

Are consumers expected to pay £175/yr for this release ? One which needs patching right away and with the service pack release already on the horizon ?
Quote Kipman725 12th February 2007, 10:11
meh denying direct hardware access seems more like a DRM move.
Quote mmorgue 12th February 2007, 10:30
Hypervisors.. bah! How about a mouseless, keyboardless UI -- much like that multi-touch screen interface vid on google. Very impressive stuff.
Quote rupbert 12th February 2007, 10:35
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Originally Posted by Kipman725
meh denying direct hardware access seems more like a DRM move.

Absolutely not.

The introduction of a Hypervisor will in theory put an end to viruses, something I think most people would welcome.

Yes it could and probably will be seen as a clever way of introducing DRM, however I truely believe DRM will not exist in a few years time.

I'm all for the next version of Windows, to be honest Vienna is what Vista should have been, and if this release schedule is accurate perhaps Vista should have been delayed a few years...

I think the removal of the 'Start' button/menu is a brave move, and it will be interesting to see what style of gui they aim for perhaps something more simplified like the Media Centre interface?
Quote rswami92 12th February 2007, 10:56
I was watchin this program on bbc2 the other day about vista and it said that there wouldn't be another windows os for ages because apparently vista is just so up 2 date and it can update to all the latest specs that there really wouldn't be any point for microsoft to waste billions in another one
but then bill gates loaded aint he dus it reli matter
Quote mattyt 12th February 2007, 11:37
Mmmm... looking forward to OS X 10.5 'Leopard' :p
Quote RTT 12th February 2007, 12:01
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Originally Posted by rswami92

but then bill gates loaded aint he dus it reli matter

I appreciate that you're new, but proper English please ;) Keep 'txt' speak limited to your phone ;)
Quote mikeuk2004 12th February 2007, 12:05
A new windows in 2009. I might not even have Vista then. Stuff that. Im not ready to upgrade my PC for Vista and when I do I expect it to last a few years. Not 2 then have to upgrade again because then new windows requires more power.

Who can afford a new PC every 2 years?? apart from so called poor students.
Quote Flibblebot 12th February 2007, 12:25
WinFS won't be appearing soon. It hasn't appeared in the last half dozen iterations of Windows, no reason why it should appear any time soon.

There was only a couple of years between 95, 98, ME & XP. It's only Vista that slowed the cycle down.
Quote webbyman 12th February 2007, 12:30
Quote:
Originally Posted by KriTip
That'll be 2012 at least then :P

who bets they will put the date back atleast 4 times over the comming years? :)






Quote:
Originally Posted by RTT
I appreciate that you're new, but proper English please ;) Keep 'txt' speak limited to your phone ;)

I Believe his location (essex) just said it all :D

(I was born and brought up there :p )

P.S welcome rswami92.
Quote Cthippo 12th February 2007, 13:05
That's cruel, Wil. I am so not ready to hear about Vienna

On the other hand, it really doesn't matter. Vista pushed me over the edge and by the time Vienna comes out I hope to have largely forgotten how to use Windows.
Quote MiT 12th February 2007, 13:08
I agree, with most of you. No point in charging so much, and then paying for another OS so soon. They should have waited, or give it away for free!!

(Am happy with my XP at the moment, will wait to see the outcome of vista, then think three times before i buy. )

I think its all marketing and getting more money!!
Quote rowin4kicks 12th February 2007, 13:29
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Originally Posted by mattyt
Mmmm... looking forward to OS X 10.5 'Leopard' :p

seconded, unless i can get the proper version of vista at a much lower price or maybe free if my neighbours computers buisness buys it then i will wait for leopard.
hope apple doesnt come out with all the basic, ultimate, buissness ... crap keep it simple thats what i say
Quote DreamTheEndless 12th February 2007, 13:44
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Originally Posted by Cthippo
On the other hand, it really doesn't matter. Vista pushed me over the edge and by the time Vienna comes out I hope to have largely forgotten how to use Windows.

Cheers - I'm glad to see that you were able to leave the darkside behind you.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Fathi
Ben Fathi is a senior VP at Microsoft, and he has let on that the next major release of Windows, codenamed Vienna, should ship to consumers in 2009 - a swift move on from Vista, which took more than 5 years to get out the door.

...

Full-blown virtualisation could be on the cards, enabling ultra-secure operation and possibly making viruses a thing of the past.

There is also speculation that WinFS could finally debut in Vienna.

So wait - the longhorn that microsoft promised to us doesn't come out until 2009 and until then people are supposed to pay anywhere from $200 - $400 for an xp servicepack called vista?

I'm so glad I got my macbook pro.
Quote gvblake22 12th February 2007, 13:47
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cthippo
Vista pushed me over the edge and by the time Vienna comes out I hope to have largely forgotten how to use Windows.
Agreed! I've already downloaded 3 different Linux distros to try and start learning as all the crazyness surrounding Vista and DRM have pushed me over the edge as well! :(
Quote Springs 12th February 2007, 14:28
why bring out Vista then? the only reason i would buy it would be for the newer games...

they should have just held vista back another 2 years and renamed it vienna and added what they want to it...
Quote sinizterguy 12th February 2007, 14:33
Are there any REAL performance benefits to upgrading to Vista on a Core2 laptop with 2gb RAM ?

I like the sound of the intelligent pre-caching, readyboost and those things. The Aero interface, sounds interesting, but not something I would upgrade an entire OS for.

I think I might wait for a little longer before I pull the trigger on an upgrade. Especially want to know about the OEM versions true restrictions on moving it from PC to PC or reinstalling etc. I dont think I could afford the retail ultimate version even if I wanted to.
Quote Panos 12th February 2007, 15:43
Few weeks ago they said that XP will be supported until 2010!!!!!!
This mean that 2009 will the the year of 3 MS OSes?

ROFLMAO. I got free Vista for from from MS because I attend on their developers launch. If I hadn't them for free I would still use my XP as main OS until I do my final movement to Linux who's waiting on the 2nd partition patiently :D
Quote nemesis80 12th February 2007, 16:30
Would be nice to see an Interface similar to the one in "Lain" :P
Quote Tyinsar 12th February 2007, 16:41
Does this remind anyone else of Win98 - which also closely followed Win95? Both of those had service packs (95OSR2, 95OSR2.5, 98SE) and none of the service packs were actually released as such but as a new OS - which you had to buy. (For that matter you could go back to Win 3.0 & Win3.1 & Win3.11) I'm impressed that XP lasted so long (relatively speaking) but it sounds like MS is back to it's old tricks. So it now looks like my next MS OS might be SP1 of Vienna (in about 2010).
Quote aon`aTv.gsus666 12th February 2007, 17:35
That's kinda ridiculous. On one hand saying Vista is teh roxx0r OS on the other saying in 2 years there'll be something waaaayyyyy better on the market. I think we all knew that but we didn't want to hear! I'll get Vienna for free anyways if I still study in 2009. If I don't I think I'll say "To hell with Vienna! I just downloaded Linux for free, Byaaaatch!". :)
Quote pendragon 12th February 2007, 18:14
and thus the Microsoft-hate flows
Quote z3rb 12th February 2007, 18:30
Quote:
Originally Posted by pendragon
and thus the Microsoft-hate flows
Indeed.
"OH NOES! MICROSOFT ARE RELEASING SOMETHING QUICKLY!!! LET'S COMPLAIN!!!!!!!!"

I love the internet :/
Quote Tyinsar 12th February 2007, 19:15
Quote:
Originally Posted by z3rb
Indeed.
"OH NOES! MICROSOFT ARE RELEASING SOMETHING QUICKLY!!! LET'S COMPLAIN!!!!!!!!"...
It's not that they're planning the next OS, it's the expected short lifespan of Vista, especially given the price. I had hoped that XP, with SP1, SP2, & a 5+ year lifespan was way MS would continue into the future rather than ways of the past (which I mentioned above).
Quote Nikumba 12th February 2007, 19:46
Of course let us not forget Apples 6 MONTHLY release cycle
Quote Woodstock 12th February 2007, 19:56
the only feature in vista im interested in is dx10 so unless vienna has dx11 (if previous windows dont get it as well), this is just made my linux install seem even better
Quote z3rb 12th February 2007, 19:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyinsar
It's not that they're planning the next OS, it's the expected short lifespan of Vista, especially given the price. I had hoped that XP, with SP1, SP2, & a 5+ year lifespan was way MS would continue into the future rather than ways of the past (which I mentioned above).
But everything works like that. If i were to go out and spend £400 on an 8800GTX, in 18 months, the 9800GTX would probably be out. So what? It's not like MS are suddenly going to stop supporting you.

All software companies overcharge anyway, it's just the way it works.
Quote rupbert 12th February 2007, 19:56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikumba
Of course let us not forget Apples 6 MONTHLY release cycle

But it's Apple, they can do no wrong...
Quote Nexxo 12th February 2007, 19:58
I'm sorry, but haven't you guys learned yet? With vapour ware (which is what this is) specifications and release dates are are basically a product of the random arbitrary musings of whichever executive happened to be caught on the hop during his (liquid) lunch, subject to change every five minutes and/or news release.

Just think for a moment about how many times the rules around Vista's activation changed over the last few months. And that was when they already had a finished product. This stuff about Vienna is just blue sky musing. Don't take it so seriously.
Quote Mankz. 12th February 2007, 20:04
might seem soon, but if you think about it, we've had quick windows out before...::

95 - 98
2000 - ME

so a 2 or so year gap isn't that much, but only when they try and charge you £300 or so.
Quote z3rb 12th February 2007, 20:09
Quote:
Originally Posted by rupbert
But it's Apple, they can do no wrong...
Of course. I hate Apple so much D:<
Quote Pookeyhead 12th February 2007, 20:40
Vapourware.. simple as that.
Quote BurningFeetMan 12th February 2007, 22:16
Win Xp and 3rd party apps work fine for all of my needs. If it ain't broke don't fix (unlike nVidia's drivers for Vista). I'll probably upgrade to Vista when Vienna's released, as all of Vista's teething problems would have been solved by then. No doubt Vienna will be delayed 5 years too. :)
Quote rupbert 12th February 2007, 22:21
Quote:
Originally Posted by BurningFeetMan
No doubt Vienna will be delayed 5 years too. :)

In all seriousness, work on Vienna began in 2001.

I'd be amazed it arrived any later than 2010..
Quote Cthippo 13th February 2007, 01:49
Isn't MS contractually obligated to release a new OS every two years or some such? I seem to remember somthing about that as the reason Vista for business was released in 06 but home had to wait until 07. :?
Quote yakyb 13th February 2007, 10:43
whilst i dont think a new windows will come out until 2011 (at least), i can see the only reason for releasing this early would be in the case that Vista is truely broken.

when i say broken i mean that drivers are far too hard to develop for it which is possibly the case.

My big worry is that they do release this in 2009 and bundle along DX11 with it forcing everyone who games to use it. however i dont think this would happen as surely there is some sort of forced marketing law against this sort of thing. whilst DX10 required a new form of driver interface with the OS. will Vienna use this same interface or as i said is Vista just plain to hard to develop drivers for, in which case Vista will be a Painful upgrade even in 4 months time. i suppose we will have to see comparisons of r600 Xp vs Vista to see just how bad Vista and DX10 is
Quote rupbert 13th February 2007, 12:32
Quote:
Originally Posted by yakyb
whilst i dont think a new windows will come out until 2011 (at least), i can see the only reason for releasing this early would be in the case that Vista is truely broken.

when i say broken i mean that drivers are far too hard to develop for it which is possibly the case.

My big worry is that they do release this in 2009 and bundle along DX11 with it forcing everyone who games to use it. however i dont think this would happen as surely there is some sort of forced marketing law against this sort of thing. whilst DX10 required a new form of driver interface with the OS. will Vienna use this same interface or as i said is Vista just plain to hard to develop drivers for, in which case Vista will be a Painful upgrade even in 4 months time. i suppose we will have to see comparisons of r600 Xp vs Vista to see just how bad Vista and DX10 is

DirectX11 is a way, way, way off...
Quote RTT 13th February 2007, 12:34
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nikumba
Of course let us not forget Apples 6 MONTHLY release cycle

Um, what? Apple last released a major update (10.4 Tiger) in April 2005, and Panther (10.3) was way back in '03.
Quote fargo 13th February 2007, 13:58
It will take 2yrs to get the bugs out of vista so whats the point of a new system in 09, then again it may put vista to
shame which wouldn't take much.
Quote FooSai 13th February 2007, 22:42
Why so much complaining? It's not like anyone is forcing you to upgrade, and even if you do no one is forcing you to buy the £300 uber edition. How many of you had 95, 98, 2000, ME, XP and have now bought Vista?? (I'm going to guess at very few).
Many people I know used Windows 2000 for a long time after XP was released. Just because it's there doesn't mean you have to buy it.
If you need DX10 for gaming in 6 months time buy a basic Vista and run dual boot.

The way everyone is carrying on you'd think MS had said "Right, we just thought we'd let you all know, XP has a kill switch in it that will stop it working in oooo, about 5 mins, and we've put one in Vista as well, Happy upgrading"
Quote speedfreek 14th February 2007, 00:07
Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamTheEndless
So wait - the longhorn that microsoft promised to us doesn't come out until 2009 and until then people are supposed to pay anywhere from $200 - $400 for an xp servicepack called vista?
Thats what Im thinking.
Quote Tyinsar 14th February 2007, 16:50
A little while back MS had a mature consumer level OS called Windows 98SE but had plans for a fairly big switch (to run on an NT base rather than on DOS) and they released a horrible hybrid called Windows ME. The original plans for Longhorn were as ambitious as those for what became ME. I'm a little getting déjà vu here, I hope Vista isn't the latest ME. (How's that for FUD?)
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