Terrorists are targeting British and American military camps on a daily basis.

Terrorists are targeting British and American military camps on a daily basis.

The Daily Telegraph is reporting that British Intelligence has discovered Google Earth maps of British military bases.

The British military believe the discovery of such pictures is evidence that terrorists are using the web application to aid the efficiency of their attacks. British camps are under fire on a daily basis, with mortars and rockets being targeted at the weakest areas of the camp. An Intelligence Officer from the Royal Green Jackets had this to say about the discovery:

"This is evidence as far as we are concerned for planning terrorist attacks. Who would otherwise have Google Earth imagery of one of our bases? We are concerned that they use them to plan attacks.

We have never had proof that they have deliberately targeted any area of the camp using these images but presumably they are of great use to them. We believe they use Google Earth to identify the most vulnerable areas such as tents."


Google is obviously hesitant to respond, a spokesman replied:

"We have opened channels with the military in Iraq but we are not prepared to discuss what we have discussed with them. But we do listen and we are sensitive to requests."

Either way, serious questions need to be asked about whether Google should be allowed to send satellite images of sensitive areas, especially when it puts lives at risk. The answer that Google Maps can be used for good and bad surely isn’t good enough. One soldier told the Telegraph however, that it would still be too little too late:

"Even if they did blank out the areas where we are based it is a bit after the horse has bolted as the terrorist now have the maps and know exactly where we eat, sleep and go to the toilet."

Where do you stand on the debate about Google Maps – should it be allowed to show detailed images of military areas? Let us know your thoughts in the forum.
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Quote DougEdey 15th January 2007, 15:11
I have google earth imagery on my computer of one British base. Because my friend is called Souter. And the Camp is Souter.

Am I a terrorist?
Quote quack 15th January 2007, 15:16
Durka durka!
Quote TheoGeo 15th January 2007, 15:25
lmao, nice choice of image
Quote oasked 15th January 2007, 15:48
What a load of BS. The images on Google are hardly up to date, they can get the same information about the lay of the land from thousands of other sources, not just google maps.

Nice choice of image again! :D
Quote walle 15th January 2007, 15:50
goggle is your friend ;)
Quote Duste 15th January 2007, 16:09
Love the picture, lol.

And yeah, they should block them out. Don't they block out jails, etc...? Or was that some other map program?
Quote Snafu-X- 15th January 2007, 16:17
As much as I am for the dissemination of free information, when it comes to the safety of a large number of people, common sense has to take over. They should block military installations in combat areas, at least as long as there is active conflict in the area.
Quote PA!N 15th January 2007, 17:01
This is a very sensitiv subject, I think it is very neccecary to censor those kind of imagery thaz could be used for targeting and such...
Quote airchie 15th January 2007, 17:16
Can't the military have the maps covered up in google and then reposition the tents/huts in the base?

Pain in the bum but I'd take a pain in the bum over an RPG in the bum any day... :/
Quote WarMachine 15th January 2007, 17:21
While I agree that this is a tragic use of a wonderfully informative app, when you get down to brass tacks, it's really no different than an enemy using local maps to formulate an attack strategy.

Call me what you will, but I don't feel right complaining that the enemy is using any resource they can to fight their side of the war.

Homo sapiens are a very resourceful enemy to face on the field of battle. We adapt to survive, and we tend to make use of any and everything that is at hand to ensure victory, no matter what side of a conflict we may be on.

We (Americans and other coalition forces) use satellites and precision laser-guided weapons of destruction, and we're going to get our panties in a twist because the enemy knows how to read a map?
:?

Edit: And as far as showing the location of individual buildings on a base, that isn't anything an enemy can't determine from a few hours' recon.
Quote Regenesis 15th January 2007, 19:48
It'd be logical to censor such installations out of safety. However, if they assume that terrorists use google maps then why not use it to their advantage and "falsify" certain areas? It could be a pain but it could be a strategic resource.
Quote Rich_13 15th January 2007, 21:03
so are we not using this against them? don't tell me we don't have better intel on them..

come on, this is war, what's fair about it....


edit: i'd rather have large civilian gatherings censored for safety and the images are no where near upto date.
Quote leonardob80 15th January 2007, 21:28
easy solution.... take your troops out of there. (irak... not muve the base)
Quote leonardob80 15th January 2007, 21:31
Quote:
Originally Posted by Regenesis
It'd be logical to censor such installations out of safety. However, if they assume that terrorists use google maps then why not use it to their advantage and "falsify" certain areas? It could be a pain but it could be a strategic resource.

at WWII british intelligence used ruber tanks, trucks and buildings to confuse luftwafe air photos... that was at Africa (agiants Romell africankorps)... and it was a sucesful operation... why no take notes of history?
Quote Ringold 15th January 2007, 23:29
On the one hand, censoring sets up a precedent for the government to take information away from us.

On the other hand, this shouldn't be an issue, 'cause Google, I think, should blank out parts of its map upon request when security is an issue. Ideally, going forward, they'd filter what gets provided so that instead of moving things reactively they're doing it proactively.

Maybe that's too subtle, but there's a difference; Google doing so willingly versus a politician forcing it do something. I'm all about the liberty :)
Quote HourBeforeDawn 16th January 2007, 00:46
well I didnt read any previous post but wouldnt the easiest solution is to not allow the ability to look up maps of military locations that are stationary for such things?
But in any case ohwell Im sure it will all work out in the end
Quote Darkedge 16th January 2007, 01:36
what a load of donkeys dropping.. they have better information from people on the ground and google isn't that up to date in most areas anyway. If it is, the installation has been there for ages and they have it well planned out anyway, a google map/image is only a convenience
Get over it
Quote Perforated 16th January 2007, 01:37
Meh. Google, please take it down, before we get more laws. That's about the biggest concern for me, here - show some discretion, 'cos bloody legislators won't.

It's not something anyone needs to see,really. To the comment "it only takes a few hours' recon" - a few hours is quite a lot, really, and anyway why make it any easier?

'Course, the ideal solution...? Yank everyone out. It was a silly idea anyway.
Quote mikeuk2004 16th January 2007, 12:49
some ares on goole maps is about 5 years + out of date. so I dont see how they can be worried.

Where I live in sheffield a new building has been standing for 3 years now and google maps still show a deserted waste land and not the building thats been her for years.

Google maps is one of the best inventions in the world allowing anyone to beable to see places they would never see in their lifetime. cant take it away.
Quote Tibby 17th January 2007, 23:39
What building is that Mike?

Also does anyone have a link to one of these bases in iraq? Wouldn't mind seeing how detailed it is.
Quote cpemma 18th January 2007, 00:18
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeuk2004
some ares on goole maps is about 5 years + out of date. so I dont see how they can be worried.
Iraq shows many oil-fields on fire, so could be any time. If it's recent, Bush & Co must really be in tears.

Google will show the lie of the land but I doubt it shows our side's tents as they are now, as suggested by one "Intelligence" officer. If so, a sneaky trick is to move them 100 yards.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MOD
A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence said: "Google Earth is compiled from still images that are already available from both commercial and public sources. The pictures are very dated and do not show any live activity."
Medja hysterics.
Quote ozer 18th January 2007, 11:27
Quote:
Originally Posted by cpemma
Iraq shows many oil-fields on fire, so could be any time. If it's recent, Bush & Co must really be in tears.

Google will show the lie of the land but I doubt it shows our side's tents as they are now, as suggested by one "Intelligence" officer. If so, a sneaky trick is to move them 100 yards.
Medja hysterics.
More like British Intelligence hysterics! After the cock ups about intelligence on Iraq, this may be a PR campaign to show themselves as doing something useful.
Quote:
An Intelligence Officer from the Royal Green Jackets had this to say about the discovery:

"We have never had proof that they have deliberately targeted any area of the camp using these images but presumably they are of great use to them. We believe they use Google Earth to identify the most vulnerable areas such as tents."
Perhaps somone should remind the Intelligence Officer about the availability of high powered - distance measuring binoculars accurate to 1 yard!
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